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Posted on 06-13-05 09:48 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Ziff
Yes, tax payers. And their taxes give them the best healthcare possible. You know, like most of Europe. Or Canada.
I could argue that with first hand experiance.

Ex 1: One of Lenina's friends while we were living in Scotland broke her ankle (not sprained, not twisted, BROKE). The doctors told her it was JUST A BRUISE and sent her home.

Ex 2: Lenina ran out of medication and needed to see a doctor to get new ones. She had to wait AN ENTIRE WEEK to see a doctor to write her her prescription, by that time she had become extriemly sick.

This is where socialized healthcare like NHS gets us. Incompetant doctors, half-assed service, and insane wait times. It might be free but I know places that give manure away for free, doesn't mean you want it.

Under a free market system, you have to give top-notch service at a decent price as a doctor, if you don't, people will just go to your nearest competitor and you'll go out of buisness. The element of competition ensures that you get the best service possible.
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That's the NHS, which is widely regarded as mismanaged and poorly constructed. The British health services have been plauged with these problems ever since Thatcher came to power, and after the coal strikes. To make it worse, Monsieur Blair hasn't been giving it the proper attention it deserves.

My friend Heather took a good ten foot fall and broke her arm. Let's just say that she had a cast and a prescription of pain killers by the time the ambulance ride was over. And since she lives on the poverty line, she could afford it
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It's a basic principle of insurance, really. It's easier to efficiently cover a pool of 1 million people than it is to cover a pool of ten, as you can do better statistical analysis and average out spikes that would destroy a smaller pool of payers.
See, if you have a HMO of ten people and someone needs a super expensive operation, essentially it is broken. But a pool of 280 million payers will far more accurately allow for costs of health insurance to be covered. They can tell that a certain number of people is likely to require said operation each year and budget accordingly.

Incidentally, America PAYS MORE FOR HEALTHCARE (both in terms of GDP and budget) AND GETS LESS COVERAGE (what is it, 40 million without coverage?) than other first world countries. This is because it essentially has an extra layer of middlemen in the form of insurance companies and such, ramping up the costs. Really, why are private industry insurance beaurocrats supposed to be so much more INNOVATIVE and EFFICIENT than those employed in a state-run company?

Whoever said America's system is privatised is wrong. They actually have a medicare system, but it only kicks in in emergencies. This actually makes it more expensive because preventative treatments arent covered. So, you get a huge number of people who can't get treated for something until it gets so bad it's an emergency ... which means they STILL GET COVERED AT PUBLIC EXPENSE but it COSTS MORE THAN IT WOULD ELSEWHERE. And, of course, getting said treatement means DECLARING BANKRUPTCY because there's no hope of footing the bill. To use Taryn's cyst as an example... she absolutely cannot pay for it privately. Here, she gets it treated and covered automatically under medicare. In the US, she couldn't get it treated until it, like, exploded or something... which surely woul be more expensive to clean up and treat than getting it preventitavely treated.


America really pays for its health system like it's a public system, it should admit this and go the next step... legislate to make sure it is universal and does its job.


(edited by Arwon on 06-15-05 05:03 AM)
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