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King_Killa Koopa Level: 15  Posts: 30/117 EXP: 15096 For next: 1288 Since: 06-13-05 From: Shangri-La Since last post: 37 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| Scientists say that the brain is random in the sense that brain waves can not be predicted. If you pick a number from 0 to 1,000,000 (NOT your favorite numbers, just choose a number which has no meaning to you). That can be considered random. | |||
knuck Hinox Banned until 19-58-5815: trolling, flaming, spamming, being a general fucktard... Level: 62 Posts: 1332/1818 EXP: 1894574 For next: 90112 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 14 hours Last activity: 9 hours |
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Originally posted by LegionWhy did you choose that?  The truth. |
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1488/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by King_KillaNo, it's not random. Why? Because you're making a conscious decision what number to pick. It's not predetermined, but that doesn't make it random. The concept of randomness is theoretical, of course. But ||bass is right - particle decay is the best example of "Random" you can possibly get. In radioactive decay, you can approximate the half-life of a substance, but you can NEVER know which atoms will be the ones that decay. For example, in 238 grams of Uranium, there are about 602,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms. Half will decay in 23 minutes, but which specific atoms will do it? It's random. |
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King_Killa Koopa Level: 15 Posts: 31/117 EXP: 15096 For next: 1288 Since: 06-13-05 From: Shangri-La Since last post: 37 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| I don't see how you are making a conscious decision. If I say a number wihtout even thinking about it, I didn't "decide" on that number so to say. I just said it randomly. | |||
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kitty Come on babe, pet the pussy ;) Level: 70 Posts: 1489/2449 EXP: 2962406 For next: 53405 Since: 03-15-04 From: Scranton, PA, USA Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| Whether you know it or not, there are subconscious decisions at stake in the choice of that number. You probably would never pick 1 or 2 because it'd be too low, but you'd probably pick 756,237 twice before picking, say, 4. | |||
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King_Killa Koopa Level: 15 Posts: 32/117 EXP: 15096 For next: 1288 Since: 06-13-05 From: Shangri-La Since last post: 37 days Last activity: 18 days |
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| ok, that's true enough. But I do feel there is randomness in one's mind, maybe not in the decision of a number, but in other ways. | |||
Snika Boo Level: 44  Posts: 100/916 EXP: 600678 For next: 10607 Since: 07-21-04 From: Freezing Cold Alaska! Since last post: 2 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by NSNickOriginally posted by Snika Thats what I was kinda goin' for in my next paragraph about deciding factors in computers. =P Snika |
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Danielle Local Moderator  Level: 76  Posts: 414/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| ..huh. That was interesting to read about. When I think "random" I think of something out of the ordinary. I dont consider it like a number a computer chooses, because a machine isn't random. Is it? There's a reason for everything that happens involving machines.. I think. |
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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22  Posts: 90/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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| indeed. Computers cannot be random just incredibly chaotic. the big question really is if a computer can be comparable to a human brain. I've always wondered if the "Creative side" of your brain can produce a purely random number without being affected by stimuli. ...Anybody on this board a brain surgeon? we could really use your help. |
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Danielle Local Moderator Level: 76 Posts: 415/3359 EXP: 3958078 For next: 47982 Since: 09-15-04 From: RATE Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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Originally posted by paraplayer Well with what some are saying, you DO have to think of a number. You have to pick one, no matter how random you want it to be. It requires choosing. So it cant be random, can it? |
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nayno Micro-Goomba Level: 6 Posts: 7/10 EXP: 616 For next: 291 Since: 10-18-04 Since last post: 97 days Last activity: 104 days |
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| I did a lot of thinking on this and it eventually became the basis for my entire philosophy. Ever since "discovering" that free will was an illusion, I became a firm believer in fate. Consider that, perhaps, there is only one possible outcome in the universe, which in turn would mean that everything we're doing now is geared toward a predestined event. I had never been very spiritual, but suddenly I was looking at seemingly insignificant things and seeing them as part of a magnificently complex structure. Suddenly, there was a reason for everything to exist: to do its part in insuring our fate. It made me very happy. Of course, I've since realized that even a purely logical religion has its flaws, as logic is a tool of man, and the things that men create are almost certainly fallible. The concepts of "Cause" and "Effect" are mere illusions, born from humanity's all-too-linear perception of time. The order of events as chronicled by human memory is of course a valid sequence, but not the only one. Since THIS realization, I've felt that the only thing we can truly trust is our intuition. |
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Happybunnie84 Red Paragoomba Level: 11  Posts: 54/63 EXP: 5460 For next: 525 Since: 07-06-05 From: P-Town, Illinois Since last post: 102 days Last activity: 92 days |
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| Milk. random.... Tetris? (edited by Happybunnie84 on 07-12-05 05:40 PM) |
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paraplayer Snifit Level: 22 Posts: 228/280 EXP: 57271 For next: 1079 Since: 06-06-05 Since last post: 44 days Last activity: 44 days |
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Originally posted by nayno What makes you think your intuition is anymore accurate. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 4566/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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Originally posted by Happybunnie84 For emphasis. Random as a mathematical concept is pretty much every where. Statistically, random spikes are merely environmental changes. Historically random events are things that are difficult to explain. "WHY DIDN'T HITLER SUPPLY HIS RUSSIAN FRONT!?", etc. They're generally things for psych-historians to discern.  Things like asteroids hitting the earth are generally random events that can be applied to a general model, etc. |
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nayno Micro-Goomba Level: 6 Posts: 9/10 EXP: 616 For next: 291 Since: 10-18-04 Since last post: 97 days Last activity: 104 days |
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Originally posted by paraplayer No rational reason. Just a sense of faith and a spiritual connection with the world around me. I've never been religious, but I do feel as though there is something guiding us. The way I see it, the universe is way too complex and sophisticated to exist by chance or without a purpose. The reason why anything exists at all (as opposed to some kind of oblivion) is a mystery in and of itself. It's like there's this story that just had to be told, because otherwise, things would be too dull. Oblivion gets pretty boring. So things were created, to tell that story. Of course, this is all just my belief... and I'm certainly not going to claim it as fact, or even a rational concept. The whole thing banks on the flaws of human logic, after all. Hoorah! I've created a paradox. |
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