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Can the war in Iraq be justified?| Yes |
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www.alfravion.tk Level: 6 Posts: 7/17 EXP: 885 For next: 22 Since: 05-26-05 From: England Since last post: 156 days Last activity: 156 days |
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I think the war in Iraq was wrong. Both the USA and Britain said Sadham had weapons of mass destruction but that turned out to be wrong. I think they wanted the oil.  |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 1523/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| *edit* I closed this topic, but I'm going to re-open it on the grounds as follows: 1) Change of thread title: "War in Iraq. Right or Wrong?" to "War in Iraq" 2) Move to the World Affairs Forum 3) Try to back up your opinion with reason! Don't just re-itterate what people say to you about Blair, Bush and Oil, speak for yourself! 4) Change of poll question to "Was the war in Iraq right?" to "Can the war in Iraq be justified?" Kass (edited by Kasumi Skywalker on 05-27-05 02:16 AM) (edited by Kasumi Skywalker on 05-27-05 02:17 AM) (edited by Kasumi Skywalker on 05-27-05 02:18 AM) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 4038/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| Of course it can be justified. Whether or not your justification is pure bullshit or not is another story. By the way, lol at Sadham.  Anyway, this is a really iffy question. For starters, anyone who thinks the war was soley about oil is dead wrong and until the day I die I'll never understand how people with any degree of logic and reason believes that. I'm sure that maybe, maybe, it had a little something to do with it but no one can really say for sure. As for whether or not the war produced positive results, that made the negative results worth it, at this point in time I really can't say yes to it. It's been a bit over two years now and the only thing we have to show for it is that some regime that I doubt posed a real threat to the world is out of the picture. Sure we liberated some people from an opressor but the cost was too great. It really wasn't our business in the first place. It's not like they were begging and screaming for us to rescue them. |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99  Posts: 3944/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| War cannot be morally just in any circumstance. It only brings hardship and hatred. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 119/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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| On one hand, good has undoubtedly come out of it. There is quasi-democracy where there was once tyranny, a misogynist regime is being phazed out in favor of a gender-blind one, no one can argue these facts. The argument to be had is whether the end result justifies the method used to arrive at it. There is also an argument of why Iraq? There are other dictatorships where people are much worse off than they were in Iraq, and there are countries who admit to having weapons of mass destruction and are openly hostile towards the USA. So why Iraq out of all the countries in the world? Obvious the motivation is suspect. Not only is there vast reserves of oil in Iraq, but Saddam Hussien tried to assassinate George W. Bush's father, and they say that revenge is the most ardent and least justified cause of war. My personal problem with the Bush office's war in Iraq is that it furthers the idea that America is the police force of the world, which I believe it shouldn't be. They acted without regard for or approval by the U.N. and have angered much of the world in the process. Even if a group of people were liberated by the war, hundreds continue to die on a weekly basis and the entire world seems to sneer at the USA in disgust that much more. Bush's office has just acted to prove to the world at large that the US is just as warmongering and self-righteous as they claim, and for this, I feel regret for the war as a whole. Was it justified? No. Can it be justified? We'll have to wait and see. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35  Posts: 294/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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Originally posted by Emperor Ziffatine I dunno, Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia was probably A Good Thing, and probably also Tanzania's invasion of Idi Amin's Uganda. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4074/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| "They acted without regard for or approval by the U.N. and have angered much of the world in the process." This doesn't bother me at all for the U.N. has long lost any credibility it might have had. Now it's just a joke and they need to disband. Just a bunch of old men who sit around and do nothing but bitch and moan. |
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Arwon Zora Level: 35 Posts: 295/506 EXP: 278115 For next: 1821 Since: 03-15-04 From: Terra Australis Incognita Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 10 min. |
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| And fix places like Cambodia and East timor. It's funny to me that for 40 years the UN was completely hamstrung by cold war rivalries, and that now it can actually occasionally play a useful role, it gets so heavily criticised for not being something it's structurally impossible for it to be. |
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www.alfravion.tk Level: 6 Posts: 14/17 EXP: 885 For next: 22 Since: 05-26-05 From: England Since last post: 156 days Last activity: 156 days |
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| i thought democracy ment you listened to the people, did Tony Blair or George Bush listen when there were tens of thousands of ppl protesting about the war. There are more ppl dying after the war, from rebel forces car bombs and such, than there were b4 the war. We might have given them a democratic gouvernment but like Slay sed why not another country? (that has less oil) | |||
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Cymoro PATRICK DUFFY WILL LASER YOUR SOUL   Level: 67  Posts: 1635/2216 EXP: 2549743 For next: 43129 Since: 03-15-04 From: Cymoro Gaming Since last post: 6 hours Last activity: 4 hours |
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Originally posted by www.alfravion.tk Democracy means listening to the majority. And, believe it or not, guess who it was? I'll let the war happening show who. And the presidential election. And the British election. |
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MathOnNapkins Math n' Hacks Level: 67  Posts: 1927/2189 EXP: 2495887 For next: 96985 Since: 03-18-04 From: Base Tourian Since last post: 1 hour Last activity: 32 min. |
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| We are not "listening to the majority". The majority do not set policy. The extreme minority do. The majority simply decide who they want setting the policy. Every four years we sort of set policy in a broad sense, but that' mostly it. | |||
geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 360/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| and that is what I love about "democracy" it's all about bending over backwards so that 0.1% of the population gets more than the rest |
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www.alfravion.tk Level: 6 Posts: 17/17 EXP: 885 For next: 22 Since: 05-26-05 From: England Since last post: 156 days Last activity: 156 days |
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| I think all of society is corrupt. Look at the streets of london. There are millions of homeless people there and just a mile or so away is Bunkingham palace and all the other posh houses. Why do royalty deserve so mush. Buckingham palace has over 100 bed rooms. Why should they have so many??? I CANT STAND ROYALTY!!!! |
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Dracoon Zelda The temp ban/forum ban bypasser! Level: 84  Posts: 3057/3727 EXP: 5514391 For next: 147561 Since: 03-25-04 From: At home Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| Heh, one of my class mates has a great idea to get rid of the homeless, not like she'd actually ever do it... ARM THE HOMELESS! Anyways, we're a republic, not a democracy. You can say we're a representitive democracy if it makes you feel better, but look again at how it really works. Look at republic and democracy. |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101 Posts: 4162/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| We're a democratic republic actually. Anyway, what does the homeless in England, have to do with the war in Iraq? (edited by Darth Legious on 05-30-05 06:52 AM) |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3957/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Originally posted by Cymoro I'll let the war happening show who. And the presidential election. And the British election. ...Do you know anything about the British electoral system? Do you know how it works? A LARGE majority of the British didn't want to go to war. As for America. I don't care. The country is split down the middle on the issue. Polls show the leanings going both for yay and nay. So, it is too hard to discern. |
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Setzer Popo Level: 36  Posts: 299/532 EXP: 290182 For next: 17928 Since: 04-22-04 From: Not Florida. because I'm going to sink it. Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 48 min. |
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Originally posted by www.alfravion.tk Don't they teach you kids anything in school these days? if you're going to build a country a democratic goverment, it has to be one with a decent amount of oil. anything else is just downright un-patriotic Do I care about the war in Iraq? not in the least, I'm not over there, I don't know anyone who is, I'm cynical, oh well, not me. Do I like the war? nope. I'd sooner migrate to canada and say "eh" alot than go kill people I don't even know. But they'd probably throw me in jail for drug usage anyways. Oh and bush sucks btw. ty. |
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Vulkar Red Paragoomba Level: 12 Posts: 4/61 EXP: 6073 For next: 1848 Since: 05-24-05 Since last post: 53 days Last activity: 10 hours |
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| Okay, someone who approves strongly about the war has fanally come(me)! You all disagree with the war in Iraq after you learned that there weren't any WOMDs in Iraq. I'm going to have to provide a nice question for you. You have something illegal in your home. The police, who suspect that you have it, keep saying they're going to come over and check your home for it if you don't turn it in. Two months later, the come over. If you're smart, what are they going to find? Nothing. _____________________ This is exactly what happened in Iraq. Hussein showed a small degree of common sense, and thought it might be a good idea to move his weapons. Also, why did he pick Iraq to help? Iraq had the largest chance to actually be a threat. If it was about oil, why not Arabia? Sure, it helped, but why Iraq over Arabia? Whichever had the largest threat is the best one to eliminate. ___________________ And now about the oil. You all say we went there because of oil, we stole it, ect. Now for my question: Where is all the oild we are supposedly "getting"? Sure, the fuel lines are up and running in Iraq, but their economy runs on it. Anyone trying to help them would help rebuild it. Seriously, where is the oil? The gas prices are going up, and we aren't gaining anything. ___________________ Lastly, many soldiers saw the factories, and reported it. Do you seriously think that after taking their final position on the WOT then they'd report that? |
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alte Hexe Star Mario I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night Alive as you and me "But Joe you're ten years dead!" "I never died" said he "I never died!" said he Level: 99 Posts: 3979/5458 EXP: 9854489 For next: 145511 Since: 03-15-04 From: ... Since last post: 2 hours Last activity: 2 hours |
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| Did the coppers have a warrent? Bad analogy. Nice try. The weapons that they have "found" are remanents from the first Gulf War and are not operational. Or they are the US weapons systems that were dumped there in the 80s to aid in the Iraq-Iran War. As for the oil. Ummmm...The fields. Yeah. World supply in oil doesn't correlate to the price. Total imports to the US are down because of your major supplier Venezuela redirecting supplies to Cuba, their new close ally. Moreover, there is less coming in from Canada. Also, with YUKOS, the large Russian oil firm now closed. Prices were bound to go up. Moreover, Norway/EU oil producers are having to redirect trade to China. |
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Slay Level: 25 Posts: 139/339 EXP: 85592 For next: 4028 Since: 04-28-05 From: Threshold Between Heaven and Hell Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 1 day |
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The Vulkar says... Iraq was not the largest threat to America, it was hardly a threat at all. Ask any military analyst; North Korea currently poses the greatest threat to America, and they have for a long time now. They have nuclear weapons and have an open and touted distaste for the United States. Your last comment is extremely alarming; the goal of the United States of America is not to seek out and eliminate potential threats. The idea that America is the police force of the world and should be an omnipresent athority is ludicrious. I don't think you're really considering the fact that people are dying out there when you reason this as the simple elimination of a threat. All your question-asking is intended to question the authenticity of war opposition, but all you've demonstrated is how uninformed you are on the subject. It's a personal peeve of mine when uninformed peoples argue a major issue. Expressing your opinion is one thing, attacking those who disagree with you is another. Keep the difference in mind. |
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