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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 313/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Ran-chan Moldorm eek, when are they going to stop growing... Level: 143  Posts: 9389/12781 EXP: 35293588 For next: 538220 Since: 03-15-04 From: Nerima District, Tokyo - Japan Since last post: 12 hours Last activity: 12 hours |
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Umm, I posted that, you know.  And I believe in God but I don(edited by Fettster on 05-04-05 01:59 AM) |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 316/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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geeogree Bloober Level: 34  Posts: 342/448 EXP: 231583 For next: 22068 Since: 03-16-04 From: Calgary, Canada Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 11 hours |
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| from the sounds of it this thread should be called "why do you stay away from "organized" religion" it's possible to be religious without having rules and commandments that you have to follow.... some people like to have structure.... things to do and not to do... other people feel too controlled by that.... so, don't follow that religion then.... believe something else, or nothing at all.... whatever works for you |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62  Posts: 1400/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| It's not that I stay away from religion... Faith makes it's own way to me. |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 317/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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I actually find myself in agreement with Geeogree. If I were religious, I would consider this a sign of the impending apocalypse. If you're religious, you should, though, and send me gobs of money and swear your everlasting allegiance to me, that disaster might be averted. Do it before it's too late!  |
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The Sage Of Time Blue Octorok Level: 12 Posts: 25/46 EXP: 7444 For next: 477 Since: 04-12-04 Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 13 min. |
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Originally posted by Kitty Jedi Of course it does. The Bible was written by man, like you just said, so it is by no means to be taken literal. Also the many, many retranslations over time have really altered it's context.. Not to mention, the meaning of words and how they are spoken has dramatically changed as well. I personally cannot fathom how anyone could take it completely as truth, word for word.. But yes, unfortunately there are many that do. |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43  Posts: 675/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| time has further eroded the meanings of the original writings, as i was watching some scholars on the history channel suggest that the entire apocolypse as refered to in the bibe was allagory for empires and figures of the time. apparently speaking out against the religion and figures of the time it was written would end in banishment or some such (which basically results in death), so words and terms were used which would have meaning, however deep and difficult to decipher, to those of the time. sorry for the lack of specifics, i'm too lazy to find anything to support my statements at 4:23 AM, but if anyone would like, i'll search around for articles (or hopefully even a trasncription of the episode, which was rather fascinating) that make statements similar to what i said above. in basic terms, i think it comes down to something similar to, "everything in moderation, except heroin", "don't let blind faith be an excuse for idiocy", and "if your keys drop in a volcano, just let them go man, 'cause they're gone". |
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Book Keeper ♫♫♫ n00blet ♫♫♫  Level: 21 Posts: 104/160 EXP: 49435 For next: 508 Since: 03-15-04 From: Wired Bookworm eat fresh! Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by windwaker You missing the point, it is of God's will that all should be saved, but he has given man the choice to go to hell or heaven . Originally posted by Dude Man You can tell if you read the bible, the difrences in the books, are the personal writing style. About Christians who are openly gay, they are going agensed there beliefes, in 1 Corinthians 6:9 it says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites," in other words don't do any of these things. C.S Lewes diligently tryed to disporve Christianity, but failed, I challange all to try to disprove Christianity. |
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Kasumi-Astra Administrator Level: 62 Posts: 1409/1867 EXP: 1971846 For next: 12840 Since: 03-15-04 From: Reading, UK Uni: Sheffield, UK Since last post: 1 day Last activity: 12 hours |
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| HAHAHAHAHA! How long do you honestly think "and homosexuals" has been in there? Homosexuality in the Bible has been so warped and twisted that you'd have to read a really old version to get close to the original story of Sodom. In truth, the Bible has been manipulated and re-written for the sole benefit of the people who "revised it". The meaning has been lost to centuries of prejudice. Whatever happened to "love thy neighbour", and that God forgives all? Surely these are THE most important messages in Christianity today? This is what the thousands of gay Christian people go to Church for, not the bigotry that went into altering that paragraph. (edited by Kasumi Skywalker on 05-05-05 09:49 AM) |
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Tamarin Calanis We exist. Earth exists. The universe exists. Do we really need to know why? Level: 59 Posts: 518/1802 EXP: 1672751 For next: 377 Since: 07-12-04 From: The gas station on the corner... Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 5 hours |
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| And I, in turn, challenge you to prove Christianity, Vampire. I bet neither of us are getting anywhere with either challenge. Edit: Kasumi posted before me, edited for clarity on who I was talking to. (edited by Grey Jedi Cheveyo on 05-05-05 09:47 AM) |
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Gavin Fuzzy Rhinoceruses don't play games. They fucking charge your ass. Level: 43 Posts: 684/799 EXP: 551711 For next: 13335 Since: 03-15-04 From: IL, USA Since last post: 13 hours Last activity: 13 hours |
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| yah seriously. you know if someone had proved or disproved the existance of god in the past few thousand years it kinda sorta woulda made like at least a headline or two |
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windwaker Ball and Chain Trooper WHY ALL THE MAYONNAISE HATE Level: 61  Posts: 1502/1797 EXP: 1860597 For next: 15999 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 4 days Last activity: 6 days |
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Originally posted by VampireOriginally posted by windwaker So, the only chance that they have is to become christian. But what about those who grow up in cultures where they aren't given the opportunity to become christian? Or those whose parents aren't christian, and therefore never really consider it? In these instances, the person could remain exactly the same from a moral perspective, yet just not be christian. Does God condemn them just because of where they were born? I think not. |
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The Sage Of Time Blue Octorok Level: 12 Posts: 26/46 EXP: 7444 For next: 477 Since: 04-12-04 Since last post: 40 days Last activity: 13 min. |
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| I think it's silly to basically dare someone to disprove Christianity.. Of course no one can, no more than they can prove it either. You can believe it, have faith, whatever you wish.. But saying such things is quite absurd. Personally, I don't think organized religion matters so much as just plain old faith. And hey, even if you don't think a God exists, you can still have faith, be it in others, people you love, in yourself, whatever the case faith is faith and it's something that makes a person stronger in the rough times. I'm sure many religious people would argue with my point of view.. But meh, none of it matters because there is no right or wrong way to believe in a higher force. To make ones own opinion on it, and not force that onto others, that is most often for the better. |
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Book Keeper ♫♫♫ n00blet ♫♫♫ Level: 21 Posts: 105/160 EXP: 49435 For next: 508 Since: 03-15-04 From: Wired Bookworm eat fresh! Since last post: 20 hours Last activity: 8 hours |
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You are right, there is no way to prove, or to disprove the exists of God(YHWH). I can't change someones heart, that power resides with the higher force(being). Evadence can be brought forth. No arcalogical finds have given evadence for evaluction it all points to the Bible. Jarico's walls fell the wrong way, which was said in the Bible. Histoians try to find errors with the Bible, but fail. Others who look for controdictions, will point to one part of the Bible then to another part, and they say that controdicts its self, but people will not stop taking it out of context. The old discution, was Jesus real? A historian from that time, named Josefice(sry I spelled his name wrong) Writes that Jesus realy was a person, Josefice was not a beliver, but gave the evadence for the existance of Christ. Ps. If you have more to debate, I'll be happy to oblige you. |
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Rydain Ropa Blaze Phoenix Runs With the Dragon Within Level: 42  Posts: 558/738 EXP: 490056 For next: 31306 Since: 03-15-04 From: State College, PA Since last post: 6 days Last activity: 8 hours |
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Originally posted by VampireHow exactly do the walls of Jericho (or any other archaeological find, for that matter) relate to change in the genetic makeup of population over time (which is, after all, the definition of evolution)? |
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Vystrix Nexoth Level: 30 Posts: 319/348 EXP: 158678 For next: 7191 Since: 03-15-04 From: somewhere between anima and animus Since last post: 3 days Last activity: 2 days |
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Originally posted by VampireNote that "Christ" is a title, not a name, and technically "Jesus" and "Christ" refer to different things. This is why you sometimes hear the Christian character referred to as "Christ Jesus" (in much the same way as one might say, for example, "Ambassador Smith"), or as "Jesus the Christ". That said, you might prove up and down that Jesus was an actual historical figure. However, whether or not this Jesus was The Christ is another matter altogether. Christian theology maintains that he was (as opposed to was not). Non-christians (such as yours truly) might maintain that there is no such thing as "Christ" (implying that Jesus, if he existed, was not The Christ), so whether or not Jesus existed is a relatively unimportant matter. Or, put another way: proving that Jesus existed is not, by itself, proof that Jesus was The Christ. |
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Googie Surarok Level: 39  Posts: 362/624 EXP: 380784 For next: 23987 Since: 03-15-04 From: Corona Queens New York Since last post: 3 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| First off, growing up in New York I seen people around me practicing [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santeria]Santer | |||
Xkeeper 2.0 Hammer Brother Again... :P Level: 49  Posts: 531/1091 EXP: 880818 For next: 3065 Since: 03-15-04 Since last post: 5 hours Last activity: 3 hours |
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| I pretty much avoid religious discussions, as they often lead to heavy flaming. The only real belief I have is that it isn't right to kill innocent people. (Though almost everyone shares this...  ) |
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Legion banning people for no reason sure is fun Level: 101  Posts: 3549/5657 EXP: 10399737 For next: 317938 Since: 03-15-04 From: The Crossroads is under attack! Since last post: 5 days Last activity: 5 days |
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| I still owe many a people an explanation about my turning away from religion and as soon as I get unlazified, I'll get that out. Anyway, even if I did believe in god and such, I would still be "staying away from religion". From having 23 years of experience in this world, I don't want to be a part of that whole thing. From my perspective, it just adds a lot of unnecessary hatred and turmoil in the world. Think about it, how many less wars would there have been had it not been for religion? |
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