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alte Hexe
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Speak to any historian, and ask them about Hitler and Catholicism. Heinreich Himmler, born and raised Catholic, from Bavaria. Operates the death camps. Catholicism was undermined, and made illegal. Catholics had to wear patches in Germany if they continued to practise. The Church undermined his singular control. Then there is this thing I mentioned, should you read, known as a Papal Bull, Mit Brennender Sorge, which outlines the Catholic dennunciation of NAZI Germany's anti-Catholic tactics. Plus, fascist Italy was also non-anti-Semetic by nature and didn't want to take any part in Hitler's attacks on the Jews. That is to say that they had no problem with racialist laws where the rights were restricted, but the people wanted NOTHING to do with hunting them down and shooting them. There was only one death camp near Trieste in Italy, and it only became active in 1943...After Hitler took Italy.
In Germany of the past, there was a dark cloud called National Socialism. It extinguished the flames of German Catholics. And Austrian Catholics. People ran from their faith to join this new church.
Oh, I should mention that I study the NAZI regime relentlessly, and understand almost all of the fundamental underpinnings, laws and ideas behind it. |
Imajin
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Originally posted by Ziffski
Originally posted by Imajin
Originally posted by Ziffski
Little known fact, Hitler was kicked out of a Catholic monestary. During the ancient days, in Germany and Nordic countries, the Catholic Church used the Swastika as a symbol of piece. It was Hitler's hatred of the Catholics and the Church that drove him to pervert a once common symbol.
I don't know if I believe that.. Cosndering Hitler most likely did not think of Nazism as evil, he wouldn't use a symbol for the purpsoe of perverting it..
He used it to spit in the Catholic Churches face. That is why he brutally oppressed all Catholics and waged a genocide campaign on them after Pope Pius made his Papal Bull Mit Brennender Sorge.
Evidence, please? I fail to see how he could have waged Genocide on Catholics while allying with heavily Catholic Italy, and considering a lot of his support came from Catholic Bavaria... |
alte Hexe
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Originally posted by Imajin
Originally posted by Ziffski
Little known fact, Hitler was kicked out of a Catholic monestary. During the ancient days, in Germany and Nordic countries, the Catholic Church used the Swastika as a symbol of piece. It was Hitler's hatred of the Catholics and the Church that drove him to pervert a once common symbol.
I don't know if I believe that.. Cosndering Hitler most likely did not think of Nazism as evil, he wouldn't use a symbol for the purpsoe of perverting it..
He used it to spit in the Catholic Churches face. That is why he brutally oppressed all Catholics and waged a genocide campaign on them after Pope Pius made his Papal Bull Mit Brennender Sorge. |
Kasumi-Astra
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Originally posted by kirbythestarwarrior
im pretty sure bush supports the KKK, since he let them parade in from of the Capitol (might have been white house )building..like last year or so. GIve me like 2 weeks and ill find you guys a news link.
Yes, that's freedom of speech. It's one of the greatest things we have in the Western World, and everyone is entitled to it, including the KKK.
It allows you to see footage on TV of your own police force and politicians facing up to crimes the committed, and in some cases committing it. In less forgiving coutries, you would never see anything like this at all.
ziff, your avatar scares me...btw who is it.
Sorry if im off topic, but I REALLY need to know. Otherwise, it'll haunt me forever.
Come on, you're kidding, right? |
Imajin
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Originally posted by Ziffski
Little known fact, Hitler was kicked out of a Catholic monestary. During the ancient days, in Germany and Nordic countries, the Catholic Church used the Swastika as a symbol of piece. It was Hitler's hatred of the Catholics and the Church that drove him to pervert a once common symbol.
I don't know if I believe that.. Cosndering Hitler most likely did not think of Nazism as evil, he wouldn't use a symbol for the purpsoe of perverting it.. |
kirbythestarwarrior
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im pretty sure bush supports the KKK, since he let them parade in from of the Capitol (might have been white house )building..like last year or so. GIve me like 2 weeks and ill find you guys a news link.
ziff, your avatar scares me...btw who is it.
Sorry if im off topic, but I REALLY need to know. Otherwise, it'll haunt me forever. |
alte Hexe
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Originally posted by Trapster
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Ran-chan
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Ramadan Roy
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Well, I don't know what I would do. The USSR killed 8-13 million Ukrainians alone(twice as many people ekilled in the Holocaust), yet people can parade around with hammer and sickle symbols or Stalin's image on their shirts, but not the swastika or Hitler. I don't believe either is correct. Both are wrong, yet people don't treat them the same way.
Oh, and the original swastika(reversed) is not only a Buddhist symbol but used also by Hindus. |
alte Hexe
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Little known fact, Hitler was kicked out of a Catholic monestary. During the ancient days, in Germany and Nordic countries, the Catholic Church used the Swastika as a symbol of piece. It was Hitler's hatred of the Catholics and the Church that drove him to pervert a once common symbol. It is also a symbol that appears on Thor's hammer in ancient Teutono-Nordic mythology.
I actually heard a REALLY interesting debate arguing the origins of the pentagram. Some people have argued that its first occurance was in ancient Greece and was used as a symbol of secrecy among Pythagorean cult members. From this point, the new Celtic faith, would've (like they seem to love to do) absorb a lot of Greek mythology on first contact and began using the symbol. Which is a really neat story. Others say it is the most ancient symbol of feminism, etc. Unfortunately, there has not been one unearthing of a Goddess age artifact that can back up these claims. Of course, it is generally just agreed on that it is, no matter what, a Pagan symbol. |
Sabishii
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I agree that it was stupid of Harry to do that, but only because people are so overly sensitive. The world really needs to learn that you will, in your life, get pissed and pissed on. You just have to learn to deal with it. The Nazis and Hitler were bad, no doubt in that, but half the people that jump on this sort of thing don't realize that the swastika was originally a Buddhist(I think) symbol for peace, just inverted. Same case with the pentagram and pentacle from Paganism and Satanism.
So yeah, stupid move because the world is overly sensitive, and before anyone tries to pull the "You've never had this happen to your ancestors!" card, a few words for you: Cherokee, Trail of Tears and Irish immigration. I've got both of those in my background. Like I said, pissed and pissed on. You just have to be thankful it wasn't you, accept that it's over and move on.
I'd like to visit some of the camps though. I visited the prison camps they had in the Civil War here in the US in eighth grade, it really made me wonder how people can be that cruel. That was the year I discovered that I don't have the capacity to truely hate. I dislike, but I can't think of a time I genuinely ever hated. |
Ran-chan
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Now I don |
Ailure
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Originally posted by Ziffski
Bergen-Beltsen probably. I think Austwitz is in Poland. I can't remember though.
Yeah, it is in Poland. I have been there after all.
After seeing stuff with my own eyes, you do keep wondering why there is people who thinks it never happened... more political people should visit that place and just not a prince.  |
Arwon
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Nyah! We have more Abrams tanks than you! |
alte Hexe
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We need to
A: build ties with the European Union and Signapore for the purchase of assault rifles
B: replace our F-18s with newer and more effective fighters
C: introduce a mid-range Italian carrier as a mover for these new planes
D: design and contract a uniquely Canadian arctic soverignty-protecting sub
E: cancel the purchase of the Sikorsky helicopters and get battle ready personnell/search and rescue copters
F: build a new flagship for the Canadian navy
G: NOT go into the planned US missile defence as it undermines Canadian soverignty
H: accept the US offer of 20 A1 Abrhams tanks
I: purchase the planned Stryker tanks to replace our ageing Zeus Personell carriers
J: purchase the C-130 Hercules and other cargo planes that we've been talking about since the 80s
These are just some that I'd like to have done. Mind you, the average Canadian troop is one of the best trained in the world, they just need to have better equipment and then we'd have an excellent fighting force, no need in the increase in men. |
Colin
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Yeah, our military budget... well, we don't need a HUGE army but we need to be efficient. Buying old subs from the UK (and then seeing one of them crap out right away and cause death) isn't the way to go. |
alte Hexe
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Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra
Damn straight, we can't sort out our own taxes, let alone anyone elses. It's time we started putting an effective spending plan into place, like France or Germany.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the Navy and the Army shrink down to size.
Canada needs our military upped up, not in size, but with equipment. The Seaking Kamikazekopter is just hell itself.
What we SHOULD do is stop diverting tax to the old bags in Buckingham. |
Kasumi-Astra
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Damn straight, we can't sort out our own taxes, let alone anyone elses. It's time we started putting an effective spending plan into place, like France or Germany.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the Navy and the Army shrink down to size. |
alte Hexe
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Ah, the movement to seperate from the Crown. It'll be great on Canada because that small portion of our tax that goes to the Queen and her family will be redirected to Canadian interests. Plus, we'll get rid of the Governor General and the Lieutenent Governer (Pronounced lef-tenent). |
Arwon
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Originally posted by Imajin
Originally posted by Arwon
I can't wait until Chuckles the Third becomes King so the republican movement regains momentum in this country.
Actually, I heard somewhere that when he becomes King, Charles is going to take another name as to not be Charles III.. Though maybe that was just a rumor, Charles may end up on the Royal Name "Blacklist" (For example, the name "John" is avoided because of King John).
I don't care, he'll still be Chuckles, and will still do wonders for the Australian republican movement. |
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