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paradox
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Do you really need any evidence to proove a sport is dangerous? this is really getting off topic and your really pissing me off, if you disagree with me then dont post at all, it saves yourself and the rest of us alot of time |
The Wrong 'Un
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lol, who said I wrote it from the top of my head
To give you benefit of the doubt that I strongly disbeleive you require, you should realise what you did above was plagiarism. You took, word for word, someone else's work, posted in under your own name without any recognition or acknowledgement of the original author. To rely on me to acknowledge them for you is poor. To laugh about it is incredibly foolish.
but anyway why do you continue on wasting your time trying to win this when you know just as well as I do any sport can be considered dangerous
You have failed to provide any convincing evidence to prove this point. To speak bluntly, you've been clutching at straws the whole time. Common knowledge forces me to agree with you that injuries occur in sports, but this not necessarily means that they should be labelled "dangerous". Continuing to use tennis as the example, the worst sort of injuries tennis is directly responsible for are things like soft tissue injuries, overuse injuries especially in the shoulder, and some ligament/cartilage damage in knees. None of these are life-threatening, and all can generally be recovered from fairly rapidly.
By your argument, everything in life could be considered dangerous. Do you know how many chronic lower back pain patients I've seen, whose injuries occur from seemingly simple work-related tasks? Just recently I saw a librarian who had horrible chronic neck pain from her job which involved many hours a day in front of a computer. This was serious, debilitating pain with associated headaches. You claim sitting at a computer to be considered dangerous?
By your argument, waking up in the morning is dangerous, because a common cause of a 'wry neck' is an unguarded movement seconds after waking, where muscles are too relaxed to protect the zygoapopheseal-joints.
If you wish to continue your belief that you are correct with this argument, I can't convince you otherwise. But living your life considering that everything you could possibly do is dangerous must be pretty stressful.
Tristan |
paradox
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lol, who said I wrote it from the top of my head? I don't recall ever saying I did...but anyway why do you continue on wasting your time trying to win this when you know just as well as I do any sport can be considered dangerous? |
The Wrong 'Un
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I know you didn't write that from the top of your head, so can you please provide references for the material you use in future? The fact that you've left much irrelevant background material in, (such as screening recommendations that I assure you I am well aware of), as well as subject headings, points me to this reasoning.
Firstly, this seems to be a new point from you. Nothing here is related to exhaustion etc. But since I asked you to tell me how many people have died due to a directly tennis related cause, I have had a look over your research.
I must admit if you understand everything you've posted, I'm mightly impressed. However, not much of it backs up your point.
Congenital cardiovascular abnormalities are the main cause in athletes under 35 years of age
A death due to a congenital condition can't therefore be attributed to the sport of tennis. If there's a defect there from birth, and it's going to be a problem, it'll be a problem no matter what is happening in the person's life.
The most prevalent diagnosis was atherosclerotic heart disease
Again, see above. This is not due to tennis itself, it's due to a co-existing morbidity. This person may have a AMI running to the bus, but does that make running to the bus an 'extreme' & 'dangerous' task?
and EKG are recommended for players participating at elite level
Can you tell me what EKG stands for, please?
I commend you for a small effort in researching a topic instead of launching into statements, or flames, which is what many in your position would do. But you're arguing an impossible point, and the fact that you've brought up all this cardio stuff shows you might be a little lost.
As I said earlier, I don't see how something can be called 'extreme' unless there's a higher risk of a serious/life-threatening injury. There isn't really a case to argue this in the example of tennis. If you have more to add to your argument, please feel free to post it and we can continue the debate. But I'm doubting there's anything out there.
Tristan
EDIT: http://www.stms.nl/june2001/artikel11.htm#top
I found your source out of curiousity. Nice cut and paste job, mate. You should really have accredited Babette M. Pluim, MD., Ph.D., with the reference.
EDITx2: Sorry, I'm not finished yet. Did you read this: http://www.stms.nl/maart1998/artikel13.htm
(care of Dr. Irving Glick, Medical Commission ITF)
-Sudden cardiac death in sports is almost exclusively related to an underlying disease of the cardiovascular system
Further searching of the site yields no other causes of death in tennis besides sudden death. |
paradox
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Sudden cardiac death in young tennis players is a rare but tragic occurrence. The incidence is not exactly known, but is in all probability comparable to the low incidence in other competitive athletic populations. The risk of sudden cardiac death in competitive athletes is 1 death per 200,000 athletes per year, the same incidence as for healthy Air Force recruits.
Congenital cardiovascular abnormalities are the main cause in athletes under 35 years of age. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and congenital coronary anomalies are the most common disorders, followed by idiopathic concentric (non-physiological) left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH), arrhythmogenic right ventricular dysplasia, Marfan |
The Wrong 'Un
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[we have a new idiot on acmlms board
I've been coming here for almost a year and am probably one of few newer members who have read the Faq, obeys the rules, and not post stupid posts.
And I really don't appreciate being called an idiot by someone who has absolutely no gorunds to do so.
I can only guess you're trying to impress someone, that's why you use 'we'.
you try playing tennis in 100 degree weather for about an hour....wouldent you get exhausted?
I'm seriously doubting you know what it actually takes to die from exhaustion. By the way, your 100 degrees is about 38 degrees C, right? Welcome to down under - I've played tennis in 42 C heat and I'm still here.
Try keeping your balance while running towards the ball so the other player wont score...
Even with two dodgy ankles I can't recall ever tripping whilst playing tennis...and I'd have to have a look, but it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of injuries were overuse and upper limb ones.
that's how injuries happen in sports
This is why you should have some idea who you're trying having a go at here.
just because no injuries happened yet does that mean it will never happen? didn't think so.
I didn't say that no injuries had happened yet. I asked you if you could tell me how many people had died from playing tennis. Of course injuries happened in all sports, but I don't see how something can be called 'extreme' unless there's a higher risk of a serious/life-threatening injury.
Tris |
paradox
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Wow, we have a new idiot on acmlms board...you try playing tennis in 100 degree weather for about an hour....wouldent you get exhausted? Try keeping your balance while running towards the ball so the other player wont score...that's how injuries happen in sports, in just about every sport to be exact, just because no injuries happened yet does that mean it will never happen? didn't think so. |
The Wrong 'Un
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Paradox: No, I didn't detect the sarcasm, and I think I'm entitled to miss it. Especially since you're continuing to argue the point that you claim was sarcastic.
"jumping back to Realistic [?SIC] measures, tennis players fall on the court quite often, fight happen to (rarely) so this would be considered a dangerous sport, you could call, break a jaw...die from exhaustion...and that proves my theory why all sports can be considered dangerous."
Can you tell me please then how many people have died from a cause directly related to the game of tennis? Your theory is directing us to a point that anything could be considered dangerous - ie, turning your next to look out a window because you may have a stroke, or sitting on a chair at a computer because your house may fall down on you.
These 'freaky' things can't be attributed to the sport itself, so you can't really claim that tennis is a dangerous sport because of them.
Tris |
The SomerZ
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All sports can be considered dangerous, yes, because all sports involve physical activity, but, in the words of Mr. Orwell, all sports are equally dangerous, but some are more equally dangerous than others.  I wouldn't classify sports like tennis or such extreme, though.
However, jumping more than a 100 meters down a snowy slope at the speed of a car, while bent forward as much as humanly possible, wearing nothing but two planks to protect you while landing is what I would call extreme.  |
paradox
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Originally posted by The Wrong 'Un
Originally posted by paradox
well, there's that 1 in a 1,000,000,000 chance that you might get a tennis ball lodged at your head completely decapitating you
Bullshit.
that really Wasn't Necessary, spam actually, and your a sucker for believing a little thing called "SARCASM"
BTW ... jumping back to Realistic measures, tennis players fall on the court quite often, fight happen to (rarely) so this would be considered a dangerous sport, you could call, break a jaw...die from exhaustion...and that proves my theory why all sports can be considered dangerous. |
The Wrong 'Un
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Originally posted by paradox
well, there's that 1 in a 1,000,000,000 chance that you might get a tennis ball lodged at your head completely decapitating you
Bullshit. |
paradox
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Originally posted by Alucard
Skateboarding definitely takes the cake in the department of actually competing in the sport...but if im watching it I love wakeboarding...its got some twisted stuff in it
i went wakeboarding before...its hard as crap...and it hurts when you hit the surface of the water...kinda like doing a belly flop from 50 feet in the air |
Alucard
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Skateboarding definitely takes the cake in the department of actually competing in the sport...but if im watching it I love wakeboarding...its got some twisted stuff in it |
paradox
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wasent saposed to be |
Toxic
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Although that isn't funny  |
paradox
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Originally posted by Toxic
-any- sport?
I think stuff like tennis, badmitton, and bowling haven't produced a fatality yet.
well, there's that 1 in a 1,000,000,000 chance that you might get a tennis ball lodged at your head completely decapitating you, badminton, hmm i don't know, those birdies look pretty tasty, i know if i was a little kid id want to eat one and actually there was a fatality in bowling, about 5 years ago i remember one the news saying that some kid stuck his head in the ball return thing and he died somehow....  |
Toxic
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-any- sport?
I think stuff like tennis, badmitton, and bowling haven't produced a fatality yet. |
paradox
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well, any sport can get you killed...just ski jumping is more extreme |
kitty
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SomerZ: Definetly is FAR more extreme than extreme boarding or anything. Seriously, that can get you killed... And it takes a LOT of balls AND skill to pull it off.
In my opinion, I'd have to say rodeo. Not that these people have any brains, mind you, but it's probably the most extreme. Either that or boxing (think about it, you're in a ring, and your purpose is to either render your opponent unconsious or become so yourself). |
The SomerZ
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I never really was a big fan of any extreme sports, but I think Ski Jumping is great to watch. Now, I know that's technically not an extreme sport, but it's probably the most extreme non-extreme sport out there, and it's also more extreme than many actual extreme sports (like skateboarding).  |
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