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alte Hexe
Posts: 2340/5458
Here is to hoping that your strict drug laws slacken my friend!
The SomerZ
Posts: 619/862
To get it? Well, it wouldn't be too hard. I have "a friend who knows a guy", however, my friend is currently not where I am (since I moved because of studies). I have talked to some people where I live now, and I'm fairly sure they could get a hold of some if they really wanted it. As far as price goes, it's probably going to be expensive. Then again, everything is expensive in this country, because of our high taxes (not that taxes effect the prices of illegal substances, of course ).

As for strictness, according to the website ung.no (a government-operated site with information targeted towards Norwegian youth between 14 and 20), Norway has one of the strictest drug-laws in Europe. Basically, the definition of the word "drugs" is at all times decided by the government, and a list, "the narcotics list" exists, showing what substances are considered illegal drugs. As for penalties, posession and usage of drugs can give up to a maximum of 6 months in prison. Production, smuggling, storing and distribution will normally give up to 2 years in prison. However, the big offenders can be given a penalty of a maximum of 10 years in prison. And in extreme circumstances, one can be charged with a life sentence, which in Norway is 21 years in prison (you cannot be charged with more than 21 years in Norway). Laundering of drug money is considered as bad as producing and distributing drugs, and can in extreme circumstances give 21 years.


All that being said, the youth party (Unge Venstre) of one of the parties currently in the government coallition (Venstre), a social-liberalist party, wants to, afaik, legalize the use of marijuana. So the situation in this country may very well change some day.
alte Hexe
Posts: 2319/5458
I heard that Norway has hella strict drug policy SomerZ, how hard would it be, and what is the cost to get marijuana?
The SomerZ
Posts: 618/862
Drugs. Hm. Well, I now smoke so much that I can't really say that I'm "just a social smoker" anymore, though I like to think that I can quit at any time, should I have to. As for alcohol, I'll have a beer whenever I have the occation and money to have one, simply because it tastes good and it's relaxing. As for getting drunk, though, it happens occationally, during some periods more than once a week, during other periods there can go months.

Then, as for illegal drugs. I've never tried it. I would have liked to try marijuana, but I've never had the opportunity to. Also, considering that I have a personality that makes me easily addicted to things, I don't know how wise it would be for me to try marijuana, but I guess I'll cross that bridge if I ever get to it.
Prier
Posts: 4663/8392
I don't, and you'd be lucky to find me drinking enough alcohol to even get me tipsy. It's just I don't really want to.

Doesn't mean I'll take someone down for what they do with their life, it's their life period...only reason I'd come down on someone is if they're an ass or if I REALLY need to intervene on something for some reason (which doesn't happen often, but sometimes I might have to in the whole friend thing)...couldn't care less about how much you've done in your life.

That's not to say that I won't be so liberal if I ever have kids, or what my family does and whatnot, because that's a bit of a different story. I'd rather not have it related to me and my family but that doesn't necessarily mean I'll ostricize other people for their preferences.

It's kind've that whole thing about trying to enforce good habits that will eventually be broken (like swearing and whatnot)...or that Santa really exists (watch the cracks about this fly).
Kefka
Posts: 2464/3392
Originally posted by geeogree
yeah, but I have trouble believing anything I hear/read anymore.... especially if it is on the internet...

the leaders of countries lie to us....

researchers come up with findings all the time that disprove what people used to think about something....

I just have trouble believing most of what people say anymore.... regardless of credentials


So, if you don't listen to anything/anyone or believe anything you read, then research would be impossible. Thus, how do you form opinions?
geeogree
Posts: 255/448
yeah, but I have trouble believing anything I hear/read anymore.... especially if it is on the internet...

the leaders of countries lie to us....

researchers come up with findings all the time that disprove what people used to think about something....

I just have trouble believing most of what people say anymore.... regardless of credentials
alte Hexe
Posts: 2302/5458
Originally posted by geeogree
wow, that page looked like a whole lot of

"here's the myth, and it's wrong.... cause we say so... and we say it in a way that sounds convincing.... thank you "


Oddly, it is a drug policy website with more credentials than you.
geeogree
Posts: 254/448
wow, that page looked like a whole lot of

"here's the myth, and it's wrong.... cause we say so... and we say it in a way that sounds convincing.... thank you "
Zarathud
Posts: 46/55
Apparently nobody noticed when I already linked to the same site (though not the same page) several posts up.
Kefka
Posts: 2444/3392
Originally posted by Ailure

I could say that I probably lost my only addiction for the moment, I hadn't drinked so much coke lately.


I found one problem: you're not supposed to consume coke as a liquid last time I checked
Ailure
Posts: 7131/11162
Intresting page, althought I take that site with a big grain of salt.

I could say that I probably lost my only addiction for the moment, I hadn't drinked so much coke lately.

Alcohol is the heavyist drug I drinked, and I seem to tolerate it quite. All effect I got after two bottles was getting more active. But I still had common sense.
alte Hexe
Posts: 2284/5458
Marijuana: Myths vs. Facts

Everyone needs to go to that page, right now.

If you truly believe all the bullshit the Truth ads are telling you about Marijuana, you must immediately go to the link above. Inside is heavy proof against many of the myths of "Mary Jane."

There is evidence of both positive and negative things about Marijuana use, so don't get me wrong. It is bad for you, just not nearly in the sense of anything you've probably been told.

I am not encouraging anyone to smoke the plant, but I am letting you know that it's not nearly as harmful as what most of the things you've heard/read say. To tell the truth, I've had a lot of fun when when on Marijuana :/

From Vyper with love!
Kefka
Posts: 2419/3392
I'm a pot head. Nuff said?

There are things far worse than pot that are legal. Alcohol and tobacco are much more detremental, and far more addictive. Pot doesn't make people ruin their lives; its coke, acid, and shit like that which does the trick. I don't do that stuff. I am a straight A student, and if I may be a cocky bastard, I would say I am quite smart. And yet I do pot. When I tell people that and they don't know, usually they are shocked beyond belief. I've done acid (LSD) once. Pretty weird shit, and I didn't like it. Never smoked a cig, but I have drinken like, 3 glasses of beer during my lifetime. That covers my drug history. And look how my life's been ruined

EDIT: out here, jimson is actually legal. And yet, it is commonly identified as a hallucinogen. Is that fucked up or what?
jasukan
Posts: 262/344
I smoke weed with my friends often. And my niece who is a freshman at my high school this year knows a friend that gives her some for free that she shares with me. I've also done LSD a few times, and have taken caffiene pills to make me stay awake in school. I don't really know if the caffiene pills are that bad, I mean they put that stuff in sodas and coffee dude, and one Nodoz pill is just two cups of coffee worth of caffiene.

I also drink often. I hate beer, wine is allright depending on what kind, and I LOVE Jim Beam whiskey.
Dylan
Posts: 1268/1407
Eh, your not missing much. Cigars are sorta gross, the only reason you should buy them unless you actually enjoy a cigar is to roll a blunt and use a little tobacco in your jays.
Violent J
Posts: 66/749
Ugh, lately I've thought about drugs to get my mind off things...well I did have a Pure Indian Cigar(not really a drug, wait, are cigarettes considered drugs?) in my pocket, I was so close, but my Ex took it and snapped it in half. guess she saved me like 5 more minutes in life.
alte Hexe
Posts: 2197/5458
The Canadian government a few years back said that something along the lines of 98% of all people taht do drugs tried tobacco or alcohol before they tried marijuana.
Zarathud
Posts: 16/55
Originally posted by geeogree
the only thing that I can really use that hasn't been beaten to death already is that marijuana is the most common gateway drug to other more dangerous drugs.... drugs that do have serious side effects

False. This has been a baldfaced lie that's been peddled for years. Alcohol is far more of a "gateway drug" (whatever that means) than marijuana is. You just don't hear about that because it happens to be a multibilliondollar industry. Oops.

But the whole "gateway drug" line is a meaningless canard anyway. It's a buzzword. The vast majority of people who try marijuana never go on to do harder drugs. Thankfully there are people engaged in, you know, actual scientific studies about this that have pretty much totally debunked it.
geeogree
Posts: 250/448
you guys really enjoy dragging it back to one single drug.... marijuana....

I really don't have much of an argument against marijuana....

the only thing that I can really use that hasn't been beaten to death already is that marijuana is the most common gateway drug to other more dangerous drugs.... drugs that do have serious side effects

that's all
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