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alte Hexe
Posts: 1912/5458
Originally posted by windwaker
Yeah, I don't think that too many people are against (at least as much as they are against war in general) bombing the Taliban.

I'm not sure if we're even still focusing a little bit on Afghanistan :\.


American troops have more or less been rotated out, and Canada is in charge of Afghanistan right now. The Japanese and large numbers of multi-national troops are under Canadian command for the peace keeping mission.

We're going to be stretched further thin because Rwanda looks to be renewing its genocidal campaigns again.
windwaker
Posts: 613/1797
Yeah, I don't think that too many people are against (at least as much as they are against war in general) bombing the Taliban.

I'm not sure if we're even still focusing a little bit on Afghanistan :\.
alte Hexe
Posts: 1910/5458
Originally posted by windwaker
We barely had any troops in Afhganistan, we just bombed it, because that's where we thought the terrorists were.

And that's where they were . We basically did what we're doing to Iraq to Afhganistan, we left them without order or a government.

The things that you never hear on the news
windwaker
Posts: 610/1797
We barely had any troops in Afhganistan, we just bombed it, because that's where we thought the terrorists were.

And that's where they were . We basically did what we're doing to Iraq to Afhganistan, we left them without order or a government.

The things that you never hear on the news
Dracoon
Posts: 1911/3727
Hmmm... that helps the point that we shouldn't have gone over there a little bit. Still though, we can't whine about it, a lot of people know that Bush was wrong, and I wish I had listened to them at the time... oh wait, I was all for going to Ahganistan no Iraq...
windwaker
Posts: 592/1797
That wasn't a random insult, I was serious .

http://www.alternet.org/story/16274

This is quite a good article I just find. It really makes you wonder about Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, and what they've said to the American people (and how many people bought it, sadly).
Legion
Posts: 3214/5657
Originally posted by windwaker

Leg, if you can't be serious, shut up and go back to preschool .



Originally posted by windwaker
See, you can't have an argument without turning it into flames/random insulting jokes.

windwaker
Posts: 591/1797
Originally posted by |+Legion+|
Originally posted by windwaker
I wasn't saying we should go to war with them, I said we should focus on having them relinquish their WMDs or make peace with them.



Whoah....



I'm sorry, I'm just surprised you actually accept the fact that N. Korea has them. Seriously, I thought you'd deny that too.

Wait....are you just fucking with me. Awwww, I gotta watch you.

P.S. There's not going to be a peaceful solution to North Korea. Mark my words.


Leg, if you can't be serious, shut up and go back to preschool .

And now as we were saying, North Korea *has* WMD's. There has never been any doubt that they have them, we have -proof- about this. PLUS! they can attack the west coast of the US.
MathOnNapkins
Posts: 1156/2189
Peaceful Solution to North Korea: Join North Korea! Give up!
Legion
Posts: 3185/5657
Originally posted by windwaker
I wasn't saying we should go to war with them, I said we should focus on having them relinquish their WMDs or make peace with them.



Whoah....



I'm sorry, I'm just surprised you actually accept the fact that N. Korea has them. Seriously, I thought you'd deny that too.

Wait....are you just fucking with me. Awwww, I gotta watch you.

P.S. There's not going to be a peaceful solution to North Korea. Mark my words.
windwaker
Posts: 569/1797
I wasn't saying we should go to war with them, I said we should focus on having them relinquish their WMDs or make peace with them.

OR WE SHUD TRY ANDZ GO FIDN TTHE WMBS MOVD TO IRAN >(.
Dracoon
Posts: 1865/3727
People, the entire world hates us. We = evil! We enforce our views of a "government" on others and it just makes everything worse. Think about it, who's view is more valid, the person talking about themself, or everyone else talking about them? Because I can garuntee they don't envy our government.

Anyways, on the North Korea issue, they aren't going to use their missles to attack us first, it is if we launch a pre-emptive strike no them that they are going to use the missles. (I think they are the ones that said that...) so really we should just try and make peace with them before we resort to war.
MathOnNapkins
Posts: 1152/2189
Well, my point is that any opinion gleaned from such a poll is likely to be massively uninformed - in fact it might be mostly colored by party lines / sentiment about the war.
windwaker
Posts: 555/1797
Well, it's probably just to see the opinions of Americans.

It's like the poll on CNN.com "Is there a connection between Al-Qaeda and Saddam?"

65% said yes.
MathOnNapkins
Posts: 1145/2189
I was just watching CNN for a minute or two, and there was the story about how a journalist used a military proxy to ask a question about adequate armor in the armed forces to Donald Rumsfeld.

And then they put on something that made me just want to punch the screen. It was their poll of the day: "Do you think our Troops in Iraq have adequate resources?"

Now it sounds innocent enough, but it's a totally pointless question. Here Legion's point about being in the military would actually mean you know more. How the fuck would I know if my troops have enough stuff in Iraq? I'm not over there, and I'm not in the military. Jeez louise.
Colin
Posts: 5457/11302
Some of those governments might have anti-American sentiments, but at the same time none of them want North Korea to go nuke-crazy... so it's better to go with the devil you know than the devil you don't, to put it one way.
alte Hexe
Posts: 1898/5458
You mean when your nation can't sustain any sort of relationship without the threat of sancations and/or military action?
hhallahh
Posts: 460/607
Originally posted by Ziffski
Do you know what the term botched international relations means?


That's what you call it when you end up being invaded by the United States, right?
alte Hexe
Posts: 1889/5458
Do you know what the term botched international relations means?
hhallahh
Posts: 459/607
Originally posted by Ziffski
Russia
China
North Korea
South Korea

Their governments are quite anti-American.


Pft. You must be using an incredibly weak standard to catagorize other countries as "hating us". I suppose you'd include pretty much any country except some Eastern European states, if it were possible. And India.

France hates us, Canada hates us, Germany hates us, Venezuala hates us, Mexico hates us... what does it mean?
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