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DahrkDaiz
Posts: 885/885 |
Yes, the bar is there for a reason. As a SAFETY precation. Do A Oni and do the spin towards the middle of the end run, most people will likely fall over if the bar isn't there to catch them. It was NEVER meant to be used as a crutch to play the game, if it were, then home pads would have them as standard parts.
However, using the bar to pass really hard songs I see no problem with, but relying on it to do anything below 10 feet I see as cheating. Don't throw speed mods into this because speed mods were put into the game and were meant to be used, the bar was not.
Now ITG it's necessary, yes and the game was designed with the bar in mind, but official DDR by Konami will likely never have a song that's so hard that the bar is required to pass it by most players. |
mrmenz
Posts: 347/347 |
Originally posted by Spel werdz rite
Originally posted by mrmenz
I'd like to see any of you beat a 12 or 13 footer in ITG WITHOUT (I know its possible but not very easy at all) using the bar. The bar has so many benefits, its there for a reason. I've gone from shitty standard/medium scores to high scores on hard/low level expert/heavy songs by using the bar.
SO N00B!
I'd like to see any of you beat SMB3C in Nesticle WITHOUT (I know its possible but not very easy at all) using the save states. The save states have so many benefits, its there for a reason. I've gone from shitty standard/medium scores to high scores on hard/low level expert/heavy levels by using the save states.
ah touché, either way I'm only trying to say I probly couldn't do half the things I normally can without the bar since I could barely pass most 9's without it. You know I dont see how you can compare the bar, something the developers put on the machine to save states, but fine If it was your intention then I've been owned. |
Spel werdz rite
Posts: 108/108 |
Originally posted by mrmenz
I'd like to see any of you beat a 12 or 13 footer in ITG WITHOUT (I know its possible but not very easy at all) using the bar. The bar has so many benefits, its there for a reason. I've gone from shitty standard/medium scores to high scores on hard/low level expert/heavy songs by using the bar.
SO N00B!
I'd like to see any of you beat SMB3C in Nesticle WITHOUT (I know its possible but not very easy at all) using the save states. The save states have so many benefits, its there for a reason. I've gone from shitty standard/medium scores to high scores on hard/low level expert/heavy levels by using the save states.
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mrmenz
Posts: 346/347 |
Hey, hey, hey, dont bust on bar users, I'd like to see any of you beat a 12 or 13 footer in ITG WITHOUT (I know its possible but not very easy at all) using the bar. The bar has so many benefits, its there for a reason. I've gone from shitty standard/medium scores to high scores on hard/low level expert/heavy songs by using the bar.
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alte Hexe
Posts: 5455/5458 |
Fantasy is heckaeasy. |
Grey the Stampede
Posts: 3746/3770 |
>.> I can do Fantasy... |
DahrkDaiz
Posts: 884/885 |
Originally posted by Prier
WHY DON'T YOU GO PASS COLORS ONI KTHXBAI!!!!
 
God, I'm irritable after that move.
OMG DD AA'd that song last year. Psh Hiryuu, ask him to do a man's song on Extreme AC - Cartoon Heroes, Fantasy (the 9 footer one), Orion .78 Civilization Mix, Burning Heat! etc. |
Prier
Posts: 8365/8392 |
It's called 'giving Grey a hard time'. I play it often. Fun game. |
Grey the Stampede
Posts: 3729/3770 |
 I don't get it!!! Are you mad at me because I do Witch Doctor? I'll stop doing Witch Doctor if it means you don't hate me!!! |
Prier
Posts: 8363/8392 |
WHY DON'T YOU GO PASS COLORS ONI KTHXBAI!!!!
God, I'm irritable after that move. |
Grey the Stampede
Posts: 3728/3770 |
I DID do Witch Doctor as a warmup today... |
Prier
Posts: 8357/8392 |
This is the same person who wanted to do Witch Doctor as a warmup. [shakes head]
Yea, why don't you go pass Colors Oni, Grey. |
Grey the Stampede
Posts: 3725/3770 |
Speaking of demon loving, I passed V Oni with a B! Take that, Hiryuu! |
alte Hexe
Posts: 5447/5458 |
I personally believe that it is due to Oni mode that people are being converted to demon worshipping lovers of such immoral songs as Colors (for Extreme). |
Prier
Posts: 8352/8392 |
I can't really use bar either. I'm too used to not using it with home/soft regardless so I really haven't tried it other than the first time that I ever played on pad and I was clinging to it for dear life because a n00b tried to initiate himself with HVAM Light. |
Spel werdz rite
Posts: 107/108 |
Originally stated by Emptyeye
yet the 9s and even some 8s in MAX completely own me for whatever reason)?
Weird.
Don't judge a song by it's foot.
End of the Century and Paranoia KCET both used to be 8-footers. In MAX2 (or MAX can't remember) they became 9-footers.
End of the Century deserves to be a 9.
KCET, I find, is still rather 8-ish. If anything, Paranoia Max ~Dirty Mix~ should be the 9.
Genom Screams double: NOT A TEN. It is not hard at all. It's just a little chaotic at the beginning. After it's just easy9/hard8.
The song after Genom on doubles is rather 10 worthy.
Gentle Stress on Doubles is VERY twisty! I sprained my ankle about three months ago because I fell and hit a metal corner.
Remember the steps for Paranoia Eternal?
It was a good 9 due to the constant 1 arrow tapping.
Konami changed the steps to make Paranoia Bros. less difficult (This is the Oni course with Survivor and Survivor Max).
Finally, I believe MAX is harder (Maxx still harder than Max). I find this due that 90% of MAX's songs are harder. Plus, MAX has Oni and MAX2 has Nonstop (Of course, MAX never had Max300 on heavy for an Oni Course). And Nonstop did have unlimited, plus custom Nonstop where I could play Maxx 20 times as the ultimate stamina tester. Or was endless more staminal? If MAX2 had Oni, I would find it harder.
Can I vote for Extreme?
Originally asked by SeXkeeper
Do you guys consider it a real pass if someone passes a song while holding the bar?
...YES! I do. I find it sinful to use the bar. I can't use the bar, and that's what makes me want to be better, to make all those bar huggers (my friends call them bar rapers) cry their way home when their mom picks them up around 10:05 Friday Night.
You see a vid of soneone gettting an AAA on Max 300. Their so happy because they completed a difficult task. Do it without the bar for a real challenge.
The only time I don't mind people using the bar is if they want to get to the end of a song so they can eventually not use the bar.
NEVER use the bar in Oni or Nonstop. This is supposed to be the challenge. Don't play if you're after a high score. Your best isn't your best if it could be harder.
NEVER EVER use the bar in versus. Every tournie I've been to or held, the manager of the arcade (usually the one who held the tournies) would actually take the bar off.
Go for the hardest challenge ever to be the best. |
Grey the Stampede
Posts: 3722/3770 |
Question: Is it considered canon to use the bar when playing Max 300 or The Legend of Max (or any max song, for that matter)? I tried it using the bar last night and suddenly it was so much easier than using just my feet. But I use my feet alone for just about every other song. Do you guys consider it a real pass if someone passes a song while holding the bar? |
Prier
Posts: 8348/8392 |
DD: STUF.
EE: (heh...cool) I believe that MAX is harder than MAX2 for the most part...there are a few exceptions such as SO DEEP and MAXX Unlimited...but I really think MAX is harder. ee and HVAM and MAX 300...[shudders]. |
Emptyeye
Posts: 2268/2273 |
So, question for those with both DDRMAX and DDRMAX2 for PS2:
Foot-for-foot, are the songs in MAX harder than those in MAX2? Or am I just more familiar with the MAX2 stuff (I can past most of the 9s in MAX2--yeah, with Cs and Ds, but I pass them nonetheless--yet the 9s and even some 8s in MAX completely own me for whatever reason)?
Weird. |
DahrkDaiz
Posts: 882/885 |
Originally posted by Prier
Genom Screams is a 9-footer single but is a 10-footer double...hence, it's a red song.
Maybe on Stepmania shows red songs like that, but Sakura isn't a red song, but still 10 feet (according to home and arcade DDR), plus, Genom Screams is a 8-footer on singles, kthx. Red songs on home/arcade are just boss songs. Dance Dance Revolution and Trip Machine Survivor on Extreme is a red songs but only 9 feet each. |
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