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kiwibonga
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What I think is funny is how the Bush administration spent millions in the US to teach school kids abstinence. Protection through not having sex. Do you know how many pregnant teenagers could have been "saved" if they had used all that money to put condom dispensers in school bathrooms? Are condoms vulgar? Are condoms dangerous for your health? Are condoms illegal? Not only would they pay for themselves, they would also prevent a lot of stupid shit. The number 1 reason kids don't buy condoms is because they find it embarrassing. In the US it's even worse, cause they don't have pharmacies, it's always a small supermarket with a pharmacy section, or even worse, it's next to the batteries behind the teller, and you have to ask "Hello, I would like this box of condoms... No... Not the durex one... No, that one on the left... Yes. Ribbed cinnamon tropical pleasure. Thank you." and you have this mom with her 4 kids behind you looking at you with that "omg you're only 12!!!" look...
And yes, dammit, I had to go to CVS to buy condoms once because we wanted to make waterbombs for senior prank day and I drew the shortest straw, I HAD TO ASK FOR THE CHEAPEST ONES, I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA DIE. Imagine how much easier it would have been if they sold them directly in the school bathroom. |
The SomerZ
Posts: 614/862 |
Yes, imperialism is history, but today's western societies benefit from the imperial ages, just as the third world countries lost a lot during the same period of time. To me, the obvious way to go would be to help eradicate the differences, to help create a more just world (and yes, you've stated your point quite clearly, your definition of justice is not the same as mine. There is no need to try to bring that up, as, obviously, we don't see eye to eye on that). The children who die of starvation in third world countries today could have the potential to do something great for all of mankind, but they will never fulfill their potential because they're living in areas where they have troubles meeting the standard requirements on step one of A. Maslow's pyramid. Liberty for all of mankind (I'm here talking about positive liberty, as explained by I. Berlin) can only come when all of mankind has fulfilled all levels of the pyramid, and reached self-actualization (note that I am now tolking theoretically, I'm not a fool who cannot see that the possibility for all of mankind to reach this point is rather low). This will also be to the benefit for society, since everyone will be able to reach their potential, thus helping science and such push forward. Again, reaching this is most likely impossible, but the closer we get, the better for everybody.
As for my debate with you, Legion, why should I bother debating with you when you obviously won't bother to be serious? |
alte Hexe
Posts: 1853/5458 |
Talk about AIDS or this thread will die. If I hear one god damned joke because of the previous statement...I won't talk it laughingly. |
Legion
Posts: 3161/5657 |
Originally posted by windwaker
Oh, okay, I guess you're right, the war in Iraq sure wasn't based on innacurate information. Thanks for all your evidence  . Telling me that that was wrong totally showed me the error of my ways.
Um, it wasn't based on innaccurate information. Where the hell do you live? Planet Misinformationsville?  |
Apple
Posts: 556/594 |
The only way to cure diseases is money, it really doesn't matter on much else. I read somewhere that as many as 1/4 of the African population has AIDs. While I'm pretty sure the numbers arn't that extreme but one person with AID's is still to many.
The only way to really prevent AID's and sexual disease is just to stop having sex. Which apparently is insanely differcult to do since people can't seem to stop fucking random people. I'm not sure exactly but I'm pretty damn sure AIDs has always been around but since people were different back than, it wasn't a problem to the general public. Than the 1960's came along as did the sexual revolution. The 1960's really fucked America up in the STD's department. 1960-1962 saw a drop in pre-martial and teenage sex from the 50's but when the board of education decided to teach sex ed in schools in 1962 (or was it 1963?) the number begin to raise and it didn't really drop until the AID's outbreak of the 1980's. So yeah, I blame the 60's and sex education. Its kind of like the DARE program except people realize that was getting kids to do drugs instead of preventing the use of them.
As for the United States giving aid to other countries, why does it matter so much? Why don't you point the finger at the other countries who give less than we do and make angry faces at them? Why much it always be us being bitched at? Yes, I will agree our foregin policy has alot of faults and I do believe the only good foregin policy we ever had was the one inplace when Washington was president.
And for the record, could people stop bringing up the War with Iraq in nearly every discussion that mentions Bush, American Politics, or Foregin Policy? Its getting quite annoying and we all know the whole "Bush is Hitler" and the other typical anti-war/Bush speeches. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 1843/5458 |
Ah, but if the person is used during a 1 on 1 interview, you list their number, credentials and a way to contact them.
And whenever you write your opinion you're writing a thesis. |
hhallahh
Posts: 454/607 |
Originally posted by Ziffski
You need to learn these rules to. When someone lists a source, you shut the fuck up. Basic internet etiquette. As for what you do, there is a thing called over-referencing. It has gotten me into many a problems with my thesis, because it boils down to you not having a spine. Basic essay rules.
You're not writing a thesis. But even if you were, you can't just list a name as a source. You have to list an actual journal citation or whatever. I certainly hope you wouldn't write a thesis with a bibliography that's just a list of names.
Originally posted by Ziffski
"And how the hell does giving money stop injustices? Does not giving money create injustices? Maybe one could give money to lobby against injustices, but if we're commiting injustices, then no amount of money is going to make that otherwise. Methinks your post is just poorly worded."
What the hell does your post mean? At least mine didn't pose half a dozen rhetorical questions.
I'm trying to interpret what your question meant. It seems to imply that the only way to prevent ourselves from committing injustices is to give money. Wouldn't it be simpler to just... not commit injustices? Or is not giving money an injustice? |
windwaker
Posts: 516/1797 |
Oh, okay, I guess you're right, the war in Iraq sure wasn't based on innacurate information. Thanks for all your evidence . Telling me that that was wrong totally showed me the error of my ways. |
Legion
Posts: 3160/5657 |
Originally posted by windwaker
The war in Iraq is pointless, but this is hardly the thread to discuss that in  .
Ignorant and weak democrat alert SOMG OGM GOM
First part of that sentence as anyone with at least 1/4 a brain would know is wrong, the last part though is right. So at least you get partial credit. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 1841/5458 |
You need to learn these rules to. When someone lists a source, you shut the fuck up. Basic internet etiquette. As for what you do, there is a thing called over-referencing. It has gotten me into many a problems with my thesis, because it boils down to you not having a spine. Basic essay rules.
"And how the hell does giving money stop injustices? Does not giving money create injustices? Maybe one could give money to lobby against injustices, but if we're commiting injustices, then no amount of money is going to make that otherwise. Methinks your post is just poorly worded."
What the hell does your post mean? At least mine didn't pose half a dozen rhetorical questions. |
hhallahh
Posts: 452/607 |
Originally posted by Ziffski
Originally posted by hhallahh
Again, give an actual source on this $10 million figure.
Steven Lewis. STEVEN LEWIS, STEVEN LEWIS, STEVEN LEWIS. Here maybe to reiterate it a little bit...
STEVEN LEWIS
Halllahahhahh: Why not stop these injustices that we so atrociously commit by ensuring, as first world nations, that we give generously to the less fortunate.
See, ziffikiski, the point of asking for a source is that you're not supposed to make an assertion and then tell your opponent to go digging for the evidence of your assertion in order to refute it. I really don't care to do so. You're supposed to link an article or source or whatever of your quote, not just a name.
Geez, basic internet social rules. I'd think people would know them by now.
And how the hell does giving money stop injustices? Does not giving money create injustices? Maybe one could give money to lobby against injustices, but if we're commiting injustices, then no amount of money is going to make that otherwise. Methinks your post is just poorly worded. |
windwaker
Posts: 510/1797 |
Angry republican alert, weeeeeeeeeeoooooooooo weeeeeeeeeeeooooo.
Now I understand, this is an entirely different issue, this now has nothing to do with AIDS. The war in Iraq is pointless, but this is hardly the thread to discuss that in . |
Legion
Posts: 3160/5657 |
There's no point for me to go on and on about how the war in Iraq is pointless, because people already knoow that."
By far the most ignorant and stupid thing I've ever read in this forum.  Please tell me you were joking. No, you must have been. No one is that stupid. |
windwaker
Posts: 492/1797 |
Christ.
There's no point for me to go on and on about how the war in Iraq is pointless, because people already knoow that. Most intelligent beings would probably assume by saying "Werewolf research could have funded *insert something more important*" that werewolf research is a waste of money, and that it could have gone to fund something else .
It's the same exact thing. Wtf are you talking about "taking this seriously?" I take politics very seriously, as it directly affects a lot of people </obvious>
Legion
Posts: 3155/5657 |
No, I haven't heard that before.
Anyway, if you're not going to take this seriously, then why bother posting here?
Here, I'll give you an example of what WOULD have been an interesting and appropriate thing to say.
Hypothetical time.
Say we, the US, spend millions and millions of dollars researching the werewolves. There, now that is a stupid thing to waste money on. Why? Because werewolves are fictional creations so throwing all that money towards it and NOT something that could benefit mankind (like AIDS research) would be stupid.
So saying something like "You know, all that wearwolf research could have funded....you know the rest". That would have been acceptable. |
windwaker
Posts: 484/1797 |
plz plz plz don't tell admin
Haven't you heard the saying, the pot calling the kettle black?
You know, if we would have kept 13 years of AIDS research money, we could have funded the entire war in Iraq.
happy? That just states it in a more "omg iraq woohoo" kind of way. |
Legion
Posts: 3154/5657 |
Ugh, kids.
First off, wtf is the point of that image? Is that some kind of inside joke because I don't get it.
Moving on, I think it's funny how you thinking saying "So what?" has no purpose because so did the comment you made. It's a pointless speculation. It's not even remotely interesting. War in Iraq, war on AIDS. Both good causes. Why substitute on for the other. Go back and read my cancer comparison again. It's basically saying the same thing. Why not just say "You know, if we would have kept 13 years of AIDS research money, we could have funded the entire war in Iraq"? Same thing just reversed. Not a very meaningful comment.
"Very smart."
omg you flamed me why?  im telling an admin on you |
windwaker
Posts: 482/1797 |
Originally posted by |+Legion+|
Um, no? I was asking you what your point is. Trust me, you'll know when I'm being high strung. What you did right there was a cheap tactic to make it look like I'm scrambling for ANYTHING to help my case. While it's not a bad move, you executed it way too early. noob.
"Going to war with irrelevant countries, on the other hand, isn't . Just a waste of lives/money/lies."
Um, I'm sure you're referrring to Iraq. But you're dead wrong. And um, how does one go about "wasting lies"?
image meant to be crappy.
Noooooooooow...
Wtf are you talking about man? I wasn't attacking you, I was just wondering. If I say "the war in iraq could have funded 13 years of AIDS research", saying "So what?" doesn't really have any purpose or contribution, it's just something to think about . Mainly when we went to war with a country based on inaccurate info. It's not like people gripe over money being dumped into cancer research when it could be dumped into AIDS research.
Very smart. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 1828/5458 |
Originally posted by hhallahh
Again, give an actual source on this $10 million figure.
Steven Lewis. STEVEN LEWIS, STEVEN LEWIS, STEVEN LEWIS. Here maybe to reiterate it a little bit...
STEVEN LEWIS
Halllahahhahh: Why not stop these injustices that we so atrociously commit by ensuring, as first world nations, that we give generously to the less fortunate. |
Legion
Posts: 3151/5657 |
Um, no? I was asking you what your point is. Trust me, you'll know when I'm being high strung. What you did right there was a cheap tactic to make it look like I'm scrambling for ANYTHING to help my case. While it's not a bad move, you executed it way too early. noob.
"Going to war with irrelevant countries, on the other hand, isn't . Just a waste of lives/money/lies."
Um, I'm sure you're referrring to Iraq. But you're dead wrong. And um, how does one go about "wasting lies"? |
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