Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - World Affairs / Debate - Tobacco bans
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MathOnNapkins
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Well, I don't see it as an entirely bad thing. For one thing, it's motivation to find a better job in many cases. |
The SomerZ
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See, MathOnNapkins, I don't know about the US, where politicians have pretty much supported the business owners throughout the years, and the labor unions have had no power whatsoever, but over here, as a result of our strong labor unions and socialdemocratic governments, we've gotten a lot of laws regarding the work environment. The idea that "if you take a job, you have to be prepared to handle the territory" is quite foreign here, and honestly seems quite silly to me. |
MathOnNapkins
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Originally posted by Arwon
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
You'd have to make factories idiot proof so people wouldn't get limbs chopped off and stuff.
Um, we do that already.
When I say idiot proof, I MEAN idiot proof. You can certainly still injure your self in many industrial professions. As a side note, there are some factories that have terrible air quality for their employees. When my cousin worked at one in a nearby town, he had to use a Q-Tip to get all the black shit out of his nostrils and ears that would accumulate each day. |
Dracoon
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I don't care either way. If you ban tobacco, congratulations it will just be like pot and a bunch of other drugs. Everyone does it, but it is still illegal. If someone is sitting next to me and smokeing... I move. I can't stand the smoke, because I was raised with clean air and the smoke almost kills me sometimes. (major exagerations for the idiots out there) I can't stand it, but I don't care. It isn't hard to move, plus, every restraunt in this town has a smoking section and a non smoking section. |
geeogree
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I don't enjoy any kind of tobacco....
not to say it doesn't have use.... I do believe it's good on bruises?.... I think that's what I remember hearing it was actually good for....
but other than that.... I don't see why we would use it.... it just.... seems to harm...
and sure, maybe not the tobacco as much as all the other crap in the ciggarettes people buy.... but, that's pretty much the tobacco people buy.... |
alte Hexe
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Originally posted by geeogree
but, I wish it was.... smoking is just stupid
I take it you don't enjoy having a nice bowl of pipe tobacco every now and then? |
geeogree
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nope, it would never go illegal, at least, not until the majority, and I mean the 99.99% majority, weren't smoking anymore.... although, by then it wouldn't matter....
but, I wish it was.... smoking is just stupid |
Colin
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.....If tobacco was illegal in Quebec you'd have RIOTS in the streets. 
It's not going to be made illegal in the near future. It can be regulated, the taxes can go up, etc... but they won't go into a prohibition of sorts. |
Arwon
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
You'd have to make factories idiot proof so people wouldn't get limbs chopped off and stuff.
Um, we do that already. |
DarkSlaya
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I wouldn't mind if it was banned. I Know some people who lose way too much money because of this. I don't even think it's harsh at all. Heck, here in Quebec they want to make somethings illegal (that would put alot of small buisness in danger), so why wouldn't we render Tobacco illegal too? |
Colin
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Can't the FDA regulate tobacco now in the States? I know they can't ban it or anything but they could force the companies to follow certain laws... I remember reading an article about that a few weeks ago.
Don't forget than in America it's up to the states; some have harsher laws (California, New York) than others. Taxes also depend on the states as well. |
MathOnNapkins
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If you don't want to be around smoke, don't work at a damn bar. If you make provisions there, you'd have to make provisions for many other low end professions. For example, if you work in fast food, you can often eat to your heart's (ironic) content, but the food is terrible for you. Hence, you'd have to require fast food chains to provide their workers with healthy food. You'd have to make factories idiot proof so people wouldn't get limbs chopped off and stuff.
I always thought that if you take a job, you have to be prepared to handle the territory. For one thing, I'm positive the smoking ban in my college town is going to reduce patronization in bars. So, in the long run, it may end up hurting the people "trying to make a living." |
The SomerZ
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Originally posted by Cheveyo Chowilawu
If you're going to a bar, pub, or whatever the hell else you want to call it, chances are you're not that concerned about your health anyway.
Chances are you're concerned about making a living. The ban isn't there for other guests to be happy, but for waiters and bartenders to be able to work in a smoke-free environment.
Steak: I don't think anyone in America are thinking seriously about banning smoking altogether, they're talking about banning people from smoking in bars and such. A sales ban, such as the one in Bhutan, is not likely to happen in a million years in any western countries.... |
Kefka
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If they are going to have marijuana be illegal, then they damned well better have tobacco be illegal. However, in the U.S., the industry is too big to fight with and shut down. So, since that will remain legal here, it would make sense to legalize marijuana... off topic, yes, but I thought I should say it. |
Colin
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It just might! XD
I think they will put measures in place but they'll have to stop short of a full ban... I'm guessing bars are going to be fair game regardless of the policy. That should stop the revolt... for now.  |
alte Hexe
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...Quebec WILL seperate if that happens. Even if the feds don't force it on you and your own elected provincial government does...Just out of pure anger...Seperation.
No, but it is a mixed blessing. I'm an asthmatic and having smoke blown in my face while I'm doing heavy lifting at work sucks...balls. But I'm also a friend of many chain smokers who now have to stand outside in the freezing cold to get a butt. Really, there should just be common sense. |
Colin
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There's been rumors that Quebec might be considering a ban on smoking in public places, but given how we're known as "Canada/America's Ashtray", that might not be too easy to implement. 
Personally, I think that most restaurants/coffee shops/etc. here have adequate smoking/non-smoking sections. My take on it is that if you can afford to segregate them (PROPERLY... i.e., air ventilation in smoking sections, etc.) then you should be allowed to. |
JR11
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I'm all for the ban. Smoking is disgusting and it really isn't fair if people in the same building have to put up with you and your awful stench. |
NSNick
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My city (Columbus, OH) recently passed a ban on smoking in public places. I wish I could have voted against it, but I was voting absentee in another county. I wonder how this will affect the hookah bar down the street... |
MathOnNapkins
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I was talking to a friend I have from Singapore the other day, which is a notoriously clean and anal country. They have or at the very least had a ban on chewing gum? Why? Because people throw it on the ground and stick it on other shit to make it dirty. But it wasn't illegal to chew it or possess it. You could go to Korea and bring back a shitload if you wanted. I also think that's how it is with weed in many non American locales. You can't sell it, but no one cares about seeing a stoner.
In any case let's just ban all drugs because drugs are bad, mKay? XD
oh wait, everyone would go insane without them. So you better not. |
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