Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Hardware/Software - Longhorn.
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FreeDOS
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Microsoft already took control of the user's PC in the Windows 2000 SP2 and the Windows XP (any service pack) EULA. |
Zem
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Originally posted by Tarale
Eh, I'm worried about the restrictions that they will put into Longhorn. I am becoming very concerned that Microsoft is enabling corporations (such as themselves) to take the control of the computer and your own files more and more OUT of the hands of the user.... and I very much hope that Longhorn does not enable this to happen. There have been a lot of things, "features" that have been discussed that have the potential to take control out of the hands of the user.
Hey, that reminds me of something. Though I haven't heard a lot about it lately. =( |
Colin
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Bob was - unquestionably - Microsoft's worst failure ever. I remember reading a few magazines which were hyping the thing, but the editors had to know they were getting paid off bigtime to spread such lies.  |
Tarale
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We already have programs and hardware that detect when you print or scan money, and some of these will just give you a warning, by sending you to a web page explaining that what you did was wrong. No doubt, the visit and the warning are logged by the Secret Service.
Thing is, you can print and scan money without it being counterfeiting..... (art project? marketing campaign?)
I'm worried where this so called "Trusted Computing" is going to take us... and if our machines are going to become tools for the FBI, Secret Service, RIAA, MPAA, etc... |
HyperLamer
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That's my #1 concern. I barely trust XP as it is. One can only imagine the boot process for this...
Starting Windows...
Loading kernel: OK
Initializing filesystem: OK
Warning: ROMs found in C:\ROMs. Dialing 911: OK
Bringing up network interface: OK
Destroying MP3 CD: OK
But of course, that's never going to happen. Because you'll never see a version of windows that shows that much detail in its bootup. 
Originally posted by Tarale
That screenshot is awful, it's not even good pixel art!
Agreed! *barf* |
Karadur
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Originally posted by BMF54123
But of course. It's the goal of both major software corporations and Hollywood to turn every computer into nothing more than a glorified, semi-interactive TV, force-feeding you what they want you to see. And thanks to a few corrupt politicians sneaking hideous new laws past the oblivious public, some of the proposed (and already manufactured) DRM technologies are coming frighteningly close to achieving that goal.
It all sounds like the ramblings of some wacko nutjob, but if you dig deep enough, you'll find out just how true it is...
I fear the day when those sorts of things become everyday stuff At the rate things are going, that's probably not very far ahead in the future either.
Now, although Avalon is supposed to be a core part of Longhorn, Microsoft is also releasing a beta addon for XP sometime next summer. I'm not exactly sure who it's going to be released though. The article I read this on says it's only being released to developers that subscribe to the MSDN. One paragraph down though, they don't make any reference to it being released to a select group at all
You can go here to read the full article. |
BMF98567
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Originally posted by Tarale
That screenshot is awful, it's not even good pixel art!
To be fair, I don't think that's actually "pixel art"...I'm pretty sure it's vector art. With the lack of anti-aliasing and high-color support, though, it does indeed look awful. 
Originally posted by Tarale
Eh, I'm worried about the restrictions that they will put into Longhorn. I am becoming very concerned that Microsoft is enabling corporations (such as themselves) to take the control of the computer and your own files more and more OUT of the hands of the user.... and I very much hope that Longhorn does not enable this to happen. There have been a lot of things, "features" that have been discussed that have the potential to take control out of the hands of the user.
But of course. It's the goal of both major software corporations and Hollywood to turn every computer into nothing more than a glorified, semi-interactive TV, force-feeding you what they want you to see. And thanks to a few corrupt politicians sneaking hideous new laws past the oblivious public, some of the proposed (and already manufactured) DRM technologies are coming frighteningly close to achieving that goal.
It all sounds like the ramblings of some wacko nutjob, but if you dig deep enough, you'll find out just how true it is... |
Tarale
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MICROSOFT BOB!!!!
That screenshot is awful, it's not even good pixel art!
Eh, I'm worried about the restrictions that they will put into Longhorn. I am becoming very concerned that Microsoft is enabling corporations (such as themselves) to take the control of the computer and your own files more and more OUT of the hands of the user.... and I very much hope that Longhorn does not enable this to happen. There have been a lot of things, "features" that have been discussed that have the potential to take control out of the hands of the user. |
Karadur
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Originally posted by neotransotaku
hey, at least it doesn't look like this--Microsoft's first try at 3D desktop
That. Is. Horrible  Interestingly enough, you can still use that sort of thing with DesktopX and a theme to go with it, for those of you who didn't know of that program neotransotaku's screenshot is far too cluttered for my liking though
Originally posted by HyperHacker
64MB VRAM required? I've seen huge games that could run under that. There's just no reason for an OS to use that much.
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Parental controls? Ouch. I'd almost be sick, if not for the fact that this is M$ we're talking about. (Watch, it'll be a popup box. "You're not supposed to be looking at this site. Would you like to close it? Yes/No"
First point, agreed completely. I'm not 100% sure, but there's probably not one thing on this computer that requires more than that amount of VRAM to run  I'd really like to know what they want to do with the OS that'd require that much. I looked through the Longhorn site from the link in this thread, and unless I overlooked something else completely, the only thing I saw dealing with that was a movie where they showed the opening and closing of the Notepad 'Find' dialog box.
Second thing you said, it'd be quite funny if that were to happen  Knowing MS though, if you clicked 'No' IE would probably crash
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Zem
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They should hold off on 3D windows until they have holograms and you can just point at stuff with your finger to open files and such, like in those totally awesome movies where they do that kind of thing. |
alte Hexe
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Oh dear Jesus!
It sounds like some sort of restrictive program, like the fabled Windows...Oh. I see. |
neotransotaku
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Originally posted by HyperHacker
Seriously, I don't like the looks of it at all.
hey, at least it doesn't look like this--Microsoft's first try at 3D desktop
as for the DB file system, microsoft will do it, it just won't come with longhorn... |
HyperLamer
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Well, it's Windows. Nuff said.
Seriously, I don't like the looks of it at all. 3D windows is a cool idea but realistically it's a horrible waste of resources. The only thing I did like about it, the database file system, is apparently not going to happen. (And I really wouldn't want to have all my files sorted for me. It'd be aweseome, though, if each file was 'tagged' with its origin (including, if you downloaded it from ANY web browser, the web site/URL it came from) and a short description/subject entered by the user, which would make them easy to find. Just type in say "ASM" and you get 'asm.txt', 'marioworld.txt' whose description is 'overworld data, asm, music', and '65816.zip' which was downloaded from 'www.website.com/asm/65816.zip'.)
*looks at screenshots*
OK that huge analog clock is just a dumb idea. I'd rather not take up 1/8 of my screen space for a bar just to fit on a giant clock. '02:06 PM' on the bottom of the taskbar works fine.
64MB VRAM required? I've seen huge games that could run under that. There's just no reason for an OS to use that much.
Parental controls? Ouch. I'd almost be sick, if not for the fact that this is M$ we're talking about. (Watch, it'll be a popup box. "You're not supposed to be looking at this site. Would you like to close it? Yes/No" ) |
KsoftFusion
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I tried Longhorn once. It had a lot of nice stuff, so I don't think it will flop in the market for that. It COULD, though, for the system requirements. My computer would take it, but my grandma's that's running XP probably wouldn't.
I read that Longhorn's gone into Beta, and that Beta 1 will be released Feb. 16, 2005. Sure, I believe it's in Beta, but Feb. 16? Nah... maybe Feb 16, 2006. |
Karadur
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To me, it's sounded so far like it's going to be good. Mostly stuff like WinFS, Avalon, etc.
3D Windows and such? That'd be different to see, but it makes that old picture of an alert box saying 'Exiting Windows. Do you want to play another game?' more and more true. I don't see why you'd need a 3D Graphics Card just to use an OS. It just makes no sense to me
That Google Desktop Search doesn't work for me It doesn't like my antivirus, and some dll somewhere. I forget where I read it, but apparently Mircosoft wanted to have a google search thing readily available in Longhorn, and thus tried to buy Google, but they were turned down 
The screenshots look really neat right now, but they first thing I don't like is the overly-big text in the folder name heading Oh dear god. Parental Controls? Eh... I guess they put the stuff in that everyone else says is needed. I'm quite glad I'm not a kid anymore though after seeing that |
Sokarhacd
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we will have to wait and see I suppose, hopefully its better, if not, its gonna suck, seeing as whenever you buy new computers they seem to come with the latest OS, so if it really sucks, like ME, it will probably still be shipped with all pc's when the time comes... |
Ailure
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Well if they're succeful at copying Google's search technique for Windows... hell wouldn't it be awesome if Microsoft bought theirs for use in their OS?
There is a free search engine from google which can be installed on your computer even now which searchs for documents. >.>
Apparantly there is leaked slow versions of Longhorn, i'm not surprised that they're slow since they probably aren't built for a wide line of compurs. Just a few testing ones.
It's too early to tell if it's gonna be a new success like Win XP was or if it's the next Win ME... |
neotransotaku
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Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra
Apparently it was at one stage *quite* different from XP. My advanced scripting lecturer was explaining the other day that MS tried to implement a database file structure, so that search times and access times would drop significantly.
Guess what. They couldn't get it working so they ditched it.
It isn't that they ditched it, was more of they won't be able to implement it in time but they do plan on doing so. I heard this from a researcher at Microsoft who came down to give a talk. |
Kasumi-Astra
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Apparently it was at one stage *quite* different from XP. My advanced scripting lecturer was explaining the other day that MS tried to implement a database file structure, so that search times and access times would drop significantly.
Guess what. They couldn't get it working so they ditched it.
Longhorn is slowly turning into the Duke Nuke'em Forever of the OS world. The opperative word there being "slowly". |
Prier
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Last I read it was due in '06. I forget which mag I was reading, but it had a lot of info/screenshots on it.
...but '3D' windows... |
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