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<blockquote><font class=fonts><i>Originally posted by Anya</i></font><hr>The tape mentions that those states that will vote and choose Kerry, will be safe. Those who vote for Bush, will not be. I have not heard that part mentioned on TV. Since most of the media want Kerry to win, why would they announce something that could hurt him? Too bad people are easily swayed.

I posted something in my journal about this a few days ago, and yes, I'm going to paste it here as well.

<a href=http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SA1404#_edn4>Webside here</a>

November 1, 2004 No.14

Osama Bin Laden Tape Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush
By: Yigal Carmon* 
The tape of Osama bin Laden that was aired on Al-Jazeera [1] on Friday, October 29th included a specific threat to "each U.S. state," designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming election against George W. Bush. The U.S. media in general mistranslated the words "ay wilaya" (which means "each U.S. state") [2] to mean a "country" or "nation" other than the U.S., while in fact the threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. This suggests some knowledge by bin Laden of the U.S. electoral college system. In a section of his speech in which he harshly criticized George W. Bush, bin Laden stated: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections." [3]

Another interesting aspect of the speech is the fact that while bin Laden made his specific threat to each U.S. state, he also offered an election deal to the American voters, attempting to influence the election by these means rather than influencing it through terrorist attacks. [4] This peace offer is a theme that follows up on his April speech directed to Europe, in which he offered a truce. [5] The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: "Some people ask 'what's new in this tape?' [The answer is that] this tape is the second of its kind, after the previous tape of the Sheikh [Osama bin Laden], in which he offered a truce to the Europeans a few months ago, and it is a completion of this move, and it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice. The Sheikh reminds the West in this tape of the great Islamic civilization and pure Islamic religion, and of Islamic justice?" [6]

Another conspicuous aspect of the tape is the absence of common Islamist themes that are relevant to the month of Ramadan, which for fundamentalists like bin Laden is the month of Jihad and martyrdom. Noticeably absent from the Al-Jazeera tape was his usual appearance with a weapon, and more importantly the absence of references to Jihad, martyrdom, the Koran, the Hadith (Islamic tradition), Crusaders, Jews, and the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad on the duty to wage Jihad against the infidels. For the followers of the Al-Qa'ida ideology, this speech sends a regressive and defeatist message of surrender, as seen in the move from solely using Jihad warfare to a mixed strategy of threats combined with truce offers and election deals.

The following are the relevant excerpts from the speech; for the full excerpts visit the MEMRI TV Project at www.memritv.org: [7]

"Oh the American people, I address these words to you regarding the optimal manner of avoiding another Manhattan, and regarding the war, its causes, and its consequences. But before this, I say to you: Security is one of the important pillars of human life, and free men do not take their security lightly, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him explain why we did not attack Sweden, for example. Clearly, those who hate freedom have no pride, unlike the 19 [suicide hijackers of 9/11], may Allah have mercy on them. We have been fighting you because we are free men who do not remain silent in the face of injustice. We want to restore our [Islamic] nation's freedom. Just as you violate our security, we violate yours.

"But I am amazed at you. Although we have entered the fourth year after the events of 9/11, Bush is still practicing distortion and deception against you and he is still concealing the true cause from you. Consequently, the motives for its reoccurrence still exist?

"We had no difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration, because it resembles the regimes in our [Arab] countries, half of which are ruled by the military, and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents with whom we have had a lot of experience. Among both types, there are many who are known for their conceit, arrogance, greed, and for taking money dishonestly.

"This resemblance began with the visit of Bush Sr. to the region. While some of our people were dazzled by the U.S. and hoped that these visits would influence our countries, it was he who was influenced by these monarchic and military regimes. He envied them for remaining in their positions for decades, while embezzling the nation's public funds with no supervision whatsoever. He bequeathed tyranny and the suppression of liberties to his son and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of the war on terrorism.

"Bush Sr. liked the idea of appointing [his] sons as state governors. Similarly, he did not neglect to import into Florida the expertise in falsifying [elections] from the leaders of this region in order to benefit from it in difficult moments.

"We agreed with the general commander Muhammad Atta, may Allah have mercy on him, that all operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration would become aware. We never imagined that the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face this great horror alone when they needed him most. It seemed to him that a girl's story about her goat and its butting was more important than dealing with planes and their 'butting' into skyscrapers. This allowed us three times the amount of time needed for the operations, Allah be praised.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qa'ida. Your security is in your own hands, and any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security."

* Yigal Carmon is the President of MEMRI.

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[1] Al-Jazeera (Qatar), October 27, 2004.

[2] "Wilaya" refers specifically to a U.S. state; it would never refer to an independent country. The term for such a country is "Dawla."

[3] https://www.qal3ati.com/vb/showthread.php?t=115812

[4] To illustrate this principle, he uses Sweden as a model of a country that was never attacked by Al-Qa'ida.

[5] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 695, April 15, 2004, "Osama Bin Laden Speech Offers Peace Treaty with Europe, Says Al-Qa'ida 'Will Persist in Fighting' the U.S." http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP69504

[6] www.islahi.net/vboard/showthread.php?t=116432

[7] To view the full tape aired on Al-Jazeera or read the transcript, visit http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=312.
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Legion Posts: 2779/5657	He isn't that significant anymore. What has his force been reduced by now? 75% I believe. This is pretty much the only thing he can do now, make video tapes. He's always on the run and is of no major threat to us now. But if we just forget about him, he'll build up his forces again and we'll be back to square one. I can't believe he actually thought this would work. Maybe he thinks we forgot about all the terrorist acts he's commited towards us? No one in their right mind is going to listen to someone like that let alone trust him.
MathOnNapkins Posts: 796/2189	While I generally vote democrat in most cases anyways, I'm insulted that he thinks he can scare people into voting a certain way.
Davideo7 Posts: 54/112	If anyone is interested in seeing the video, go to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ Go to the left of the screen and click 'News Video' and then click 'News Video Front Page' The video will be avaiable there for free. Oh, and very well said Anya
PhageTheUntouchable Posts: 28/48	New Jersey (Where I live) almost ALWAYS votes democrats, so that makes me feel a bit safer. But New York, oh so, close gets "airplaned" and that makes me oh so unsafe. The fact that security got better makes me feel safe. The fact that the candidates keep talking about easy to get through boundaries makes me feel unsafe. I'm gonna go hide in a closet now.
Ran-chan Posts: 4711/12781	Are they extremists or what? I just hope that it doesn
Anya Posts: 3342/5337	The tape mentions that those states that will vote and choose Kerry, will be safe. Those who vote for Bush, will not be. I have not heard that part mentioned on TV. Since most of the media want Kerry to win, why would they announce something that could hurt him? Too bad people are easily swayed. I posted something in my journal about this a few days ago, and yes, I'm going to paste it here as well. Webside here November 1, 2004 No.14 Osama Bin Laden Tape Threatens U.S. States Not to Vote for Bush By: Yigal Carmon* The tape of Osama bin Laden that was aired on Al-Jazeera [1] on Friday, October 29th included a specific threat to "each U.S. state," designed to influence the outcome of the upcoming election against George W. Bush. The U.S. media in general mistranslated the words "ay wilaya" (which means "each U.S. state") [2] to mean a "country" or "nation" other than the U.S., while in fact the threat was directed specifically at each individual U.S. state. This suggests some knowledge by bin Laden of the U.S. electoral college system. In a section of his speech in which he harshly criticized George W. Bush, bin Laden stated: "Any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security." The Islamist website Al-Qal'a explained what this sentence meant: "This message was a warning to every U.S. state separately. When he [Osama Bin Laden] said, 'Every state will be determining its own security, and will be responsible for its choice,' it means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president has chosen to fight us, and we will consider it our enemy, and any state that will vote against Bush has chosen to make peace with us, and we will not characterize it as an enemy. By this characterization, Sheikh Osama wants to drive a wedge in the American body, to weaken it, and he wants to divide the American people itself between enemies of Islam and the Muslims, and those who fight for us, so that he doesn't treat all American people as if they're the same. This letter will have great implications inside the American society, part of which are connected to the American elections, and part of which are connected to what will come after the elections." [3] Another interesting aspect of the speech is the fact that while bin Laden made his specific threat to each U.S. state, he also offered an election deal to the American voters, attempting to influence the election by these means rather than influencing it through terrorist attacks. [4] This peace offer is a theme that follows up on his April speech directed to Europe, in which he offered a truce. [5] The Islamist website Al-Islah explains: "Some people ask 'what's new in this tape?' [The answer is that] this tape is the second of its kind, after the previous tape of the Sheikh [Osama bin Laden], in which he offered a truce to the Europeans a few months ago, and it is a completion of this move, and it brings together the complementary elements of politics and religion, political savvy and force, the sword and justice. The Sheikh reminds the West in this tape of the great Islamic civilization and pure Islamic religion, and of Islamic justice?" [6] Another conspicuous aspect of the tape is the absence of common Islamist themes that are relevant to the month of Ramadan, which for fundamentalists like bin Laden is the month of Jihad and martyrdom. Noticeably absent from the Al-Jazeera tape was his usual appearance with a weapon, and more importantly the absence of references to Jihad, martyrdom, the Koran, the Hadith (Islamic tradition), Crusaders, Jews, and the legacy of the Prophet Muhammad on the duty to wage Jihad against the infidels. For the followers of the Al-Qa'ida ideology, this speech sends a regressive and defeatist message of surrender, as seen in the move from solely using Jihad warfare to a mixed strategy of threats combined with truce offers and election deals. The following are the relevant excerpts from the speech; for the full excerpts visit the MEMRI TV Project at www.memritv.org: [7] "Oh the American people, I address these words to you regarding the optimal manner of avoiding another Manhattan, and regarding the war, its causes, and its consequences. But before this, I say to you: Security is one of the important pillars of human life, and free men do not take their security lightly, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him explain why we did not attack Sweden, for example. Clearly, those who hate freedom have no pride, unlike the 19 [suicide hijackers of 9/11], may Allah have mercy on them. We have been fighting you because we are free men who do not remain silent in the face of injustice. We want to restore our [Islamic] nation's freedom. Just as you violate our security, we violate yours. "But I am amazed at you. Although we have entered the fourth year after the events of 9/11, Bush is still practicing distortion and deception against you and he is still concealing the true cause from you. Consequently, the motives for its reoccurrence still exist? "We had no difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration, because it resembles the regimes in our [Arab] countries, half of which are ruled by the military, and the other half are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents with whom we have had a lot of experience. Among both types, there are many who are known for their conceit, arrogance, greed, and for taking money dishonestly. "This resemblance began with the visit of Bush Sr. to the region. While some of our people were dazzled by the U.S. and hoped that these visits would influence our countries, it was he who was influenced by these monarchic and military regimes. He envied them for remaining in their positions for decades, while embezzling the nation's public funds with no supervision whatsoever. He bequeathed tyranny and the suppression of liberties to his son and they called it the Patriot Act, under the pretext of the war on terrorism. "Bush Sr. liked the idea of appointing [his] sons as state governors. Similarly, he did not neglect to import into Florida the expertise in falsifying [elections] from the leaders of this region in order to benefit from it in difficult moments. "We agreed with the general commander Muhammad Atta, may Allah have mercy on him, that all operations should be carried out within 20 minutes, before Bush and his administration would become aware. We never imagined that the Commander in Chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face this great horror alone when they needed him most. It seemed to him that a girl's story about her goat and its butting was more important than dealing with planes and their 'butting' into skyscrapers. This allowed us three times the amount of time needed for the operations, Allah be praised. "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qa'ida. Your security is in your own hands, and any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security." * Yigal Carmon is the President of MEMRI. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] Al-Jazeera (Qatar), October 27, 2004. [2] "Wilaya" refers specifically to a U.S. state; it would never refer to an independent country. The term for such a country is "Dawla." [3] https://www.qal3ati.com/vb/showthread.php?t=115812 [4] To illustrate this principle, he uses Sweden as a model of a country that was never attacked by Al-Qa'ida. [5] See MEMRI Special Dispatch No. 695, April 15, 2004, "Osama Bin Laden Speech Offers Peace Treaty with Europe, Says Al-Qa'ida 'Will Persist in Fighting' the U.S." http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP69504 [6] www.islahi.net/vboard/showthread.php?t=116432 [7] To view the full tape aired on Al-Jazeera or read the transcript, visit http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=312.
Dracoon Posts: 1657/3727	He wasn't caught, 5 people owe me $10. Happy days. As I said, he isn't just going to attack us a bunch, cause then we would just bomb all of asia till someone dies. (hurray for nukes)
DarkSlaya Posts: 2357/4249	Originally posted by Atma X Originally posted by Dcahrakos the news channel is on in the living room, and I heard it say he said that america should brace for another terrorist attack, but he didnt say when, or where, or how....so I wonder if he will do anything... (and why the hell do so many Americans actually like Bush,... is half of our country really that stupid ). I would be tempted to say yes, but it's not that they are stupid.... I'm sure that Bin Laden has better things to do than attack USA..... like making NEW tapes!
Ran-chan Posts: 4659/12781	I heard that he talked about Sweden and I think that it
Atma X Posts: 607/801	Originally posted by Dcahrakos the news channel is on in the living room, and I heard it say he said that america should brace for another terrorist attack, but he didnt say when, or where, or how....so I wonder if he will do anything... Well, Osama said that the main problem he has is with our foreign policies,... and if we change them, he said he'll leave us alone. But if Bush wins (which he most likely will,... even if he has to cheat), I guarantee that our foreign policies will remain the same, so I guess we should be prepared for another attack (and why the hell do so many Americans actually like Bush,... is half of our country really that stupid [XD,... j/k, I wish the reason was that simple] ).
Colin Posts: 4855/11302	Geez, if they caught Osama this weekend that would be... wild card #428 in this year's election. See, they can attack "American interests" and everyone would expect an attack in the US. So they wouldn't do it there of course.
Ailure Posts: 5660/11162	When? If I was a terrorist I would take the day where people go out and vote. Which is very soon. Then, can anyone honeslty answer how much power Bin Laden have? That's one thing I don't get. :/ At worst some terrorist get's a idea out of this video...
Sokarhacd Posts: 529/1757	the news channel is on in the living room, and I heard it say he said that america should brace for another terrorist attack, but he didnt say when, or where, or how....so I wonder if he will do anything...
Ailure Posts: 5653/11162	He mentioned Sweden. According to a Swedish newspaper. I yet have to see that video becuse CNN wants subscrition and all, I have to find it somewhere else. He said "If bush says we hated freedom, why didn't we strike for example at Sweden?" That's translated from a Swedish transcript, since I don't have the english one. -.- Hopefully the video should be on e-mule. I doubt he would be able to plan any attack, seems more he wants to change the outcome of the election. :/
Kefka Posts: 2324/3392	Who gives a shit whether Bin Laden still has access to a video camera?
kiwibonga Posts: 234/266	Watch as Bin Laden is magically caught this weekend. Holy shit. I hate this. Bin Laden became meaningless, all of a sudden it's the most important headline again... Talk about the culture of fear...
Dracoon Posts: 1643/3727	I dunno he does make a good amount of sense... Why would they attack us for no reason? We would just try and force our arms down their throats to kill them. (which we did) So maybe he is telling the truth, or did you just not care to look at that possiblity. US doesn't have him... Bush would have flaunted it towards the begining of the elctions and kept that going saying "If I was a bad president how come I captured Osama?"
Ran-chan Posts: 4622/12781	He
alte Hexe Posts: 1569/5458	Yasser Arafat is on his death bed. The US presidential election is coming near. Ramadan. Piece together these three pieces of the puzzle, adding the emergence of a new Al-Qaeda tape...Gee golly, I'm pretty sure that American interests are going to be attacked.
Apple Posts: 489/594	I still have my 20 bucks saying hes already in American cusdity and we're just waiting until the day or two before the election to tell the world. I don't care, Terrorist attacks don't fear me.
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