Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Rom Hacking - RomHacking Consortium: Proposal
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windwaker
Posts: 184/1797 |
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh.
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh.
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh.
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh.
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh.
Originally posted by Xkeeper
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh.
yes, yes I do  . |
Xkeeper
Posts: -3126/-863 |
Is there some reason you needed to quote a post that was about twenty times longer than your own?
And I'd just like to finish what I started relying on suggestions and myself,... meh. |
windwaker
Posts: 181/1797 |
Originally posted by Gavin
Originally posted by Cellar Dweller
This sounds like a great idea. Here is some more stuff to consider.
I urge you to reject documents in word processor formats, or any format other that plain text or HTML. I like to read stuff in an my web browser. If the author of a document doesn't make the document availible in plain text or HTML, convert it.
Ticalc.org has a great feature that allows people to view text files inside archives without downloading the whole archive. I wish more rom hacking sites had such a feature. To support such a feature and to prevent people from having to get extra archive software, I think that it would be a good idea to ban archive formats other than ZIP. *cough*RAR*cough* Normally, I would suggest that tar.gz should also be allowed, but in tar.gz archives there is no index, and even getting a list of the files in the archive would require decompressing the entire archive, thus using a lot of CPU time.
Another thing to consider is a Advogato style certification system. At Advogato, users can certify other users as "observer", "apperntice", "journeyer", or "master". The server calculates a final certification for each user by how much trust flows from the site owners, and those that are presumed by the site owner to be masters, through the certifications. Thus, while any user can certify any other user at any level, those who are trusted more have more of an impact on the final certification. SourceForge has a certification system based on the Advogato system.
You may also want to look into adapting GForge, a which is based in the last GPL release of the SourceForge software. It has some features, such as file uploads, project pages, and account management, that would be useful for your proposal. It should not be too hard to adapt because it is written in PHP and most programmers here know PHP. On problem is that it will probably not work on standard web hosts. It requires PostgreSQL instead of MySQL, and may require root access to the server to install.
ah, these are very good ideas. Exactly the kind of input i was looking for. I agree that standardized file formats are a must, and i like the text file viewing idea.
That certification system is very interesting. The system i had envisioned was nowhere near as robust as the one used by Advogato, but partially beacuse i was not entirely sure a more complex system was feasible. I will certainly take this into consideration, and if we are unable to aquire the necessary SQL specifications, perhaps we can either find or create a system similar.
Originally posted by knuck
Originally posted by MathOnNapkins
Tsk tsk, always a negative nancy.
It's better to you keep your angst at me out of the board.
Let's just see. That consortium thing has the SAME concept of the HackArchives. And look at the hack archives!
I know that consortium idea for a time and i never really agreed with it. It's lame and impossible to happen.
if you weren't so completely incompetant, i might actually give a shit what you think. too bad i don't. isn't that so sad?  . now please go away and don't bother the big kids when we're talking business, mmkay?
Originally posted by Vystrix Nexoth
I'd love to do the site part, although I need to get MySQL working on my computer, unless you can provide a server running PHP5+SQLite in which case I'm game. 
, you're help would be invaluable from planning to implimentation. The server i'm not entirely sure about as of right now, although it's not exactly my number 1 concern at the current time. I'd rather muck around and lay some framework before securing domain and space. I think that means as of right now we can use what is best for everyone, then when we find out the situation of the server conform to a standard?
To anyone else that i did not directly respond to but has shown interest in this project:
PHP Coders : As i have stated, right now is the time to build up the site structure and figure out which features we want, and what is the best way to impliment them. The greatest help that you can give me at the current time is feedback.
- What are site features you would like to see?
- What are site features i have listed that won't work?
- anything else that relates to practical application
HTML Designers : This is also going to be a very very big part of the project. The visual presentation of the site. We're going to need some quick test layouts based on the currently available information, but i understand that information may not be a lot. This part of the project will be much easier when we have a concrete list of what will be shown on each page.
The end product site design will probably need to end up as CSS and XHTML 1.0 strict validated in the least, but that's nothing to be concerned with right now. The test site layouts won't need to be in any sort of specialized format at all, simple shoddy HTML coding is accepted, it's all about the visual appearance for now  .
thanks a lot everyone for the responses, they are greatly appreciated.
I can help with either of these... nothing too difficult.
Really want to see this get going . |
Gavin
Posts: 290/799 |
I disagree. Assembling a small panel of PHP and SQL experts to review and complete the project seems the most efficient way to achieve our desired results. Placing a large project in the hands of a single person is only inviting slower and possibly less professional developement. 2 heads are better than 1, and 3 or 4 aren't bad either.
Also this project is all about serving the community, and as such, it would be fitting if it was built by the community.
Originally posted by Jesper
I'm willing to help out with this kind of stuff. PHP coding, database modeling (contrary to most people even having done development on this very board, I'm educated in the subject and got the highest grade in that class), temporary hosting of the project; database account, ftp account, website. (Per "romhack.wootest.net" or something similar until we get a 'real' host.)
I think this project should also have a centralized game documentation part. As in collaborative documentation of level formats, tile formats, asm code, etc. Just clarification of a part that I -really- think should be in there.
I also think that we stages to roll out features in should be laid out. First basic user code, then basic hack code, then teams, then more advanced hack code, then documentation, etc.
Jesper that's fantastic, thanks for your interest in the project . And yes, i completely agree with the centralized game hacking resources. When this idea was first concieved, i believe that the hacking resource was in fact the backbone of the proposed site, i just went off on a small tangent about the emphasis on the 'community' portion, heh.
About feature developement: thanks, i think you can offer the exact kind of experience we will need: someone who knows the in's and out's of working on a (as it seems to me) large project like this.
I would like to get a discussion going, probably on IRC or whatever other popular chating medium the base coding/managing team uses, sometime soon as i believe this subject lays right in the thick of what we need to plan out to get this moving. |
Itachi Sennin
Posts: 117/217 |
ok. Like I said, I don't want to start an argument or anything. It's my opinion. And whatever, if you want to do it all on your own, then so be it. Good luck. I still give 100% support.  |
cpubasic13
Posts: 701/1346 |
...nice idea. Very nice idea. If this is done, this will be one of the many improvments in the rom hacking community. It will be even helpful with the "I can help you with..." thing. That will helps a whole lot for people to pinpoint users that will help with specific stuff that that person needs.
This would be nice to see working. Really nice and incredible idea. |
Black Lord
Posts: 72/453 |
Originally posted by Majin_Hacker
So you're basically saying you want to do all the work. I mean, based on your site, no offense, but I bet some people can make a much better layout then that. I am not trying to start a fight or argument or anything...But if people want to help you, you should accept it. Maybe the results will be better.
well Xk's already said this... and it is off topic... but Xk's layout on his site is near perfect in my book... not too many images, not too flashy, links to place, no 404's, and he's getting content.. that's all a site needs in my book.. .. |
Itachi Sennin
Posts: 116/217 |
I'm glad I could Help. |
Xkeeper
Posts: -3128/-863 |
Originally posted by Majin_Hacker
okk. Than just say it. Here i'll HELP you do it.
" Don't ask to help, we don't want your help. We have everything under control. We made this thread just to let you know what we are doing. We dont want you guys to help us so that it might be better than possible."
So you're basically saying you want to do all the work. I mean, based on your site, no offense, but I bet some people can make a much better layout then that. I am not trying to start a fight or argument or anything...But if people want to help you, you should accept it. Maybe the results will be better.
Wow, you put that into such better words... if you ignore the end.
And, when dealing with the layout of my site, it's perfectly find as it is. It's simple and gets the job done. I don't need any fancy crap.
So, yes, what he said:
"Don't ask to help, we don't want need your help. We have everything under control. We made this thread just to let you know what we are doing. We don't want need you guys to help us so that it might be better than possible because it's fine as it is."
(allow me to clarify slightly: Suggestions are very welcome. However, we/I do/does not need any help right now.)
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[07:40.56p] ?????: "If you design webpages like you designed your post layout... I'm glad he denied your request for helping" @ Majin_Hacker |
Itachi Sennin
Posts: 114/217 |
okk. Than just say it. Here i'll HELP you do it.
" Don't ask to help, we don't want your help. We have everything under control. We made this thread just to let you know what we are doing. We dont want you guys to help us so that it might be better than possible."
So you're basically saying you want to do all the work. I mean, based on your site, no offense, but I bet some people can make a much better layout then that. I am not trying to start a fight or argument or anything...But if people want to help you, you should accept it. Maybe the results will be better. |
Xkeeper
Posts: -3129/-863 |
Alright, lemme go ahead and clarify something real fast.
As long as I am the main coder (which I probably will be for a while here), I am not looking for help. I am looking for suggestions on things to put in.
I've just been thinking about this a lot and I was beginning to kinda dislike having asked for help and such like this, given the fact we don't currently need it and it'd very likely slow me down more than help... |
Xtreme984
Posts: 57/111 |
this website is gonna be sweet, can't wait. |
Jesper
Posts: 1134/2390 |
I'm willing to help out with this kind of stuff. PHP coding, database modeling (contrary to most people even having done development on this very board, I'm educated in the subject and got the highest grade in that class), temporary hosting of the project; database account, ftp account, website. (Per "romhack.wootest.net" or something similar until we get a 'real' host.)
I think this project should also have a centralized game documentation part. As in collaborative documentation of level formats, tile formats, asm code, etc. Just clarification of a part that I -really- think should be in there.
I also think that we stages to roll out features in should be laid out. First basic user code, then basic hack code, then teams, then more advanced hack code, then documentation, etc. |
Smallhacker
Posts: 800/2273 |
Originally posted by Gavin
If this expense must come out of my own pocket, then it must. But i feel strongly on this.
In that case, make sure that there is a PayPal donation button on the front page. |
Gavin
Posts: 289/799 |
well, i can say without almost 100% certainty that this website should be placed on a more prominent, and paid for, hosting service. If this expense must come out of my own pocket, then it must. But i feel strongly on this.
The issue of domain is just something to keep in mind, we still have a lot of planning and work to do before we really need to act on it.
Originally posted by dan
Originally posted by Gavin
Dan, haven't seen you in ages! I appoint you official ROM hacking wikie expert, and no, you don't get paid . Hit me up on AIM or IRC sometime if you're interested in helping, or even if you're not.
Heh, I wouldn't say I'm an expert at all. I'm just a wiki fanatic. I could get started on a wiki, but I just need to figure out an actual structure, or the whole thing would end up as an unmaintainable mess.
yah, i feel you. we have a lot of structual planning to do on a whole, and the wiki is just one piece of the puzzel. |
Smallhacker
Posts: 799/2273 |
If you're talking about the page title, it can be bypassed by adding
target="_top"
to the links. |
Itachi Sennin
Posts: 109/217 |
yes. I know about .tk. But I don't really like it, it puts the domain name on every link on ur site, even affiliates. I don't know if all domains are like that, or if there is a way to block that though, but I am sure others here would know. |
Smallhacker
Posts: 797/2273 |
Originally posted by Majin_Hacker
We'd still need to get a domain name though, I can't provide that..
.tk redirect domain names are free, however it creates a small pop-up window. Nothing annoying, though. |
Itachi Sennin
Posts: 107/217 |
Ok. first of all, I will start making a site layout as soon as possible.
And also, I have my own Cpanel. I would be GLAD to host this site for you guys. here is the info on what my cpanel has.
Account Info
Subdomains - 1 / unlimited
Parked Domains - 0 / 10
Addon Domains - 0 / 10
MySQL Databases - 4 / unlimited
Postgresql Databases - 0 / unlimited
Disk usage - 38.72 Megabytes
SQL Disk usage - 5.38 Megabytes
Disk space available - Unlimited Megabytes
Bandwidth usage (current month) - 602.28 Megabytes
Email Accounts - 0 / unlimited
Email Forwarders - 2
Autoresponders - 0
Mailing Lists - 0 / unlimited
Email filters - 0
Ftp Accounts - 0 / unlimited
General server information
Operating system - Linux
Service Status - Click to View
Kernel version - 2.4.20-31.9bigmem
Machine Type - i686
Apache version - 1.3.33 (Unix)
PERL version - 5.8.1
Path to PERL - /usr/bin/perl
Path to sendmail - /usr/sbin/sendmail
Installed Perl Modules - Click to View
PHP version - 4.3.9
MySQL version - 4.0.20-standard
cPanel Build - 9.9.8-CURRENT 44
Theme - cPanel X v2.5.0
Documentation - Click to View
cPanel Pro - 1.0 (RC1)
So If you guys can use my cpanel and want to, just let me know. I want to help in any way I can. And btw, I got it for free, so you guys don't have to pay or anything. We'd still need to get a domain name though, I can't provide that..
I checked on the Cpanel main site, and apparantly Cpanels are quite expensive. I was REALLY lucky..I've had it for more than a year, and i would have had to pay like....over 1000 bucks...thank god. |
Smallhacker
Posts: 795/2273 |
I'm pretty sure that all of the ideas are possible.
Geez... Can't wait to see this done! This will be the greatest thing in the Rom Hacking history ever! Gimme a task already! |
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