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DarkSlaya
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Originally posted by ProtoGuts
I still like the php girls:
I think I like 'em too  |
Talky Toaster
Posts: 4/18 |
Hey kool site... I mite join |
ProtoGuts
Posts: 6/9 |
I still like the php girls:
As for CF... it could be better... but I'd rather use something that is free and just as powerful... |
Jesper
Posts: 656/2390 |
Originally posted by AghBob
Well, that one guy got on here and said that my programming skills were zero to none, and that is an insult to me. I don't have any evidence to back up the money making thing, because I'd have to go and do a really long and in depth search on the internet to find some proof, and I don't feel like doing that. And if you want to see a CF board, go to my site. There it is. The code's encrypted, so you won't be able to view the code. But it was made out of CF and it is great. I think this thread should be closed, because it's getting very close to having flaming on it. In fact, on most boards, the comments made by HellSavior would be considered flaming.
I agree a bit with the flaming thing, but let's just wrap up this issue: If CF generates these pages, all we'll be able to see will be plain HTML, HTML that could be generated or written by everything. There's a) no exact evidence to that you're using CF, which is what caused some people to say that you didn't and b) we can't see an example of the language which is so great because you'll only link us to sites powered by CF. If you view source on this page, which is a PHP page, you won't see the PHP code. The same is true for CF. |
AghBob
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Well, that one guy got on here and said that my programming skills were zero to none, and that is an insult to me. I don't have any evidence to back up the money making thing, because I'd have to go and do a really long and in depth search on the internet to find some proof, and I don't feel like doing that. And if you want to see a CF board, go to my site. There it is. The code's encrypted, so you won't be able to view the code. But it was made out of CF and it is great. I think this thread should be closed, because it's getting very close to having flaming on it. In fact, on most boards, the comments made by HellSavior would be considered flaming. |
Jesper
Posts: 647/2390 |
Originally posted by AghBob
Jesper, yes it has all that you asked about.
Good, then it's a decent language.
Originally posted by AghBob
You don't like CF? You want to use something else cause you're better aquainted with it? Fine, I respect that. It's honorable to stick to what you're good at. But starting to give me crap is wrong and DIShonorable. You don't like my programming skills? You don't like CF? You don't like me as a person? Big deal, and you've gotta be pretty stuck up to make fun of people about their programming skills.
You're the one who started with the crap-giving here. You haven't shown any proof that CF programming pays much higher than PHP, which was basically what you were saying just a few posts back, so I'd rather tell YOU to stop giving me crap about programming skills. Note that I haven't said anywhere in the thread that "CF is for weiners" or something to a similar effect.
I respect other people knowing different languages. Claiming that CF's far ahead of everything else just because it can do stuff like connecting to a DB server in fewer commands than language X, and additionally claiming that you get better paid for it without ANY facts to back it up, however, is just something else. That's both insulting to my programming skills and my languages of choice and also pretty surely not true. I would have believed you if you had said that Assembler programmers earn more, because that's several levels lower and is decidedly harder to learn, but this sounds far more unlikely.
The big deal here is that you should always be able to back up what you say. What's been going on in this thread is that people have asked you to define (with tangible examples) why CF is, in your book, a wiser choice than the alternatives. You've been pointing to sites that as far as I could find didn't even mention any actual in-use CF code, they just mentioned that they were using CF. You have further claimed that CF will make people pay you more, but have refused to explain why, how much, what you're refering to that they'll pay you more than (plain HTML pages? That goes without saying). And lastly, you said, verbatim "php is great, but CF is better." and you have still to back that up as well. Proving one language is better than the other is insanely hard, because in order to prove that, one of the languages needs to be wildly inferior to the other or have serious limitations. I don't see this as being the case for CF vs PHP.
Before you reply to this post and call me a flaming moron or PHP nazi or CF hater or what have you, BACK UP THE FACTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SATISFACTORILY BACKED UP, like those above. |
AghBob
Posts: 35/45 |
Excuse me? Don't use it in my webpage? You need to go look at my site again little boy and see what it's coded in. It is used fully in CF. Don't even TRY to tell me otherwise. I'm being attacked on all sides here, with no one to back me up. I'm only learning CF, my mom knows it, so don't give me any crap about my programming skills, cause I know I'm not great.
And yes Cervantes, there is a place where you can see what CF can do. It's on the second URL I posted. Go there, and look around.
Jesper, yes it has all that you asked about.
You don't like CF? You want to use something else cause you're better aquainted with it? Fine, I respect that. It's honorable to stick to what you're good at. But starting to give me crap is wrong and DIShonorable. You don't like my programming skills? You don't like CF? You don't like me as a person? Big deal, and you've gotta be pretty stuck up to make fun of people about their programming skills. |
HellSavior
Posts: 12/41 |
Originally posted by AghBob
Okay, you guys asked for it...
What makes Cold Fusion better? Well, in all text books that teach Cold Fusion, they have in there two types of programming language that they compare. On one page, they have Cold Fusion. On the other, they have a language such as php or asp. In this particular example, the book shows you how to do something with each language. When you look at it, Cold Fusion takes a considerable amount of less coding than the other language does. Meaning that when you code with CF, you code less and get the same thing accomplished.
Below are the URLs for two sites that I would like for you two to visit. The first is a site made by the man who is the EXPERT on ColdFusion. On this particular page, he lists categories in which you can find multiple CF sites. Look at the coding for those pages and you'll see why it's better. The second is another site that will accuaint you with the uberness of CF.
http://www.forta.com/cf/using/
http://www.cffaq.com/
There you go gentlemen.
Using that analogy you would conclude that VB is superior to C? Great logic, kiddo.
By the way, your webdesign skills are zero to none. Your programming skills are zero to none. Why argue for or against ColdFusion when you don't even utilize it in your 'webpage'? Go cry yourself to sleep. |
Jesper
Posts: 626/2390 |
Originally posted by AghBob
Okay, you guys asked for it...
What makes Cold Fusion better? Well, in all text books that teach Cold Fusion, they have in there two types of programming language that they compare. On one page, they have Cold Fusion. On the other, they have a language such as php or asp. In this particular example, the book shows you how to do something with each language. When you look at it, Cold Fusion takes a considerable amount of less coding than the other language does. Meaning that when you code with CF, you code less and get the same thing accomplished.
We have that in PHP too. It's called making your own functions. 
Seriously though, while good base functionality is great, (PHP has over 100 function groups - most optional and installed or enabled with extensions) it's not everything there is to a language. I'd rather have a versatile language like PHP than what I've seen of CF (before what you've shown me and after what you've shown me - I've seen way more CF material before today than I saw today).
I'm a bit curious though; Does it have variable functions? Arrays? Hashes? References? Classes? Passing arguments by reference?
Originally posted by AghBob
Because if you want to be a web designer as a career nobody who will pay you lots will hire you unless you use top of the notch stuff like CF. You can get hired if you like to use php sure, but the people who will pay you lots and know about web design won't hire you unless you're good at CF. If you want to keep going with php, fine. Myself, I'll stick to CF because I KNOW that it is easier to learn and more efficient. I'd rather pay money to make money than to not do so. php is great, but CF is better. There are lots of people who agree with me, but unfortunately they're not on this board.
Yahoo runs off of PHP. MySQL's website too. As does Penny Arcade. As does MediaWiki, the software behind Wikipedia. Name even three big non-Macromedia sites run with CF that you'd guess most of us have heard of.
The only chance you'd have of getting a pay for CF work that would be superior to the same work done in PHP would be if you were to upgrade or rewrite a current CF system which could absolutely not move to PHP for any reason. Sure, there aren't many CF programmers, but there aren't many CF sites needing them, either. Claiming CF is top notch stuff and will get you paid more than PHP is in fact the biggest lie I've heard this month, hands down. Check your facts. |
DarkSlaya
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I can already make money with the programming skills I have (In fact, I already did). I still haven't seen many things to make me think CF is better. Saying it's better and that you can make money....and bla....bla..bla. Doesn't mean anything to me. I know people who became professional web designer/programmer by using other things than CF. And from what I've read, Php enabled web servers are alot easier to find (in fact, they're everywhere). Is there a list of what CF can do, somewhere? This could help alot. And so far, I haven't fouded Php hard at all. It took me some time to figure out what I could do with it and everything. But now I'm coding a board, I've put around 10 hours of work on it (really not much time) and I was able to make every essencial features and some others to play around (My admin panel that I'm gonna call "Tirant Admin Cp"). And do you absolutely need some program to make your scripts (like "ColdFusion something") or can you script with any text program? |
AghBob
Posts: 34/45 |
Because if you want to be a web designer as a career nobody who will pay you lots will hire you unless you use top of the notch stuff like CF. You can get hired if you like to use php sure, but the people who will pay you lots and know about web design won't hire you unless you're good at CF. If you want to keep going with php, fine. Myself, I'll stick to CF because I KNOW that it is easier to learn and more efficient. I'd rather pay money to make money than to not do so. php is great, but CF is better. There are lots of people who agree with me, but unfortunately they're not on this board. |
DarkSlaya
Posts: 1439/4249 |
If it costs money, then I think it's not superior to anything. Php is free, and it's good. Why use something you have to pay for when you can do the same things for free. |
AghBob
Posts: 33/45 |
It costs money to BUY it, but nothing else that I know of. And it's basically like every other programming language, except it's much more efficient and it's way easier to learn. |
DarkSlaya
Posts: 1437/4249 |
But is there actually something that CF can do that others can't ('cept less code). So far, except the fact that the code can be shorter, I haven't seen anything else to it. Is there anything else to it. Does CF cost money to use (to set up everything you need). |
AghBob
Posts: 32/45 |
Okay, you guys asked for it...
What makes Cold Fusion better? Well, in all text books that teach Cold Fusion, they have in there two types of programming language that they compare. On one page, they have Cold Fusion. On the other, they have a language such as php or asp. In this particular example, the book shows you how to do something with each language. When you look at it, Cold Fusion takes a considerable amount of less coding than the other language does. Meaning that when you code with CF, you code less and get the same thing accomplished.
Below are the URLs for two sites that I would like for you two to visit. The first is a site made by the man who is the EXPERT on ColdFusion. On this particular page, he lists categories in which you can find multiple CF sites. Look at the coding for those pages and you'll see why it's better. The second is another site that will accuaint you with the uberness of CF.
http://www.forta.com/cf/using/
http://www.cffaq.com/
There you go gentlemen. |
Jesper
Posts: 621/2390 |
Originally posted by AghBob
Your choice. And ColdFusion IS a programming language but it comes in a program called ColdFusionStudio4. HomeSite is the replacement of ColdFusionStudio. Why? Because they didn't make any more Cold Fusion programs. They just created HomeSite in which there is a lot of ColdFusion capabilities or what not.
Anyway, PHP is great, but trust me...once you have the hang of ColdFusion, it's soooo much better.
That still doesn't make HomeSite a programming language any more than it makes my editor of choice, EditPad Pro, a programming language.
You write the scripts with whatever program you have. That program is not the programming language, nor is it the interpreter, nor is it the compiler, nor is it the tokenizer, nor is it the web server, nor is it the database server.
And, like Cervantes stated, I have yet to hear a convincing argument why ColdFusion is better - just saying it is doesn't make it so, you know. |
DarkSlaya
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SO far, I've hear nothing that ColdFusion can do and that PHP can't. |
Dylan
Posts: 813/1407 |
Originally posted by AghBob
Hahahaha (with sarcasm). IT IS BETTER. Anyway, does ANYBODY KNOW how to change it from MS SQL TO ACCESS or to MY SQL?
Oh my, you certainly do know how to make a convincing statement. Saying something is better when you can't even back it up is something 5 year olds tend to do.  |
AghBob
Posts: 30/45 |
Hahahaha (with sarcasm). IT IS BETTER. I can't explain it, because I really don't know how, but it is much better. But, I really need some help now. I got the code for the board from somebody and it's in ColdFusion, but it's being run on MS SQL databases. I need it to be run on Access databases or MY SQL. Why? Because MS SQL databases will make my hosting fees go up by $80 that's why.
Anyway, does ANYBODY KNOW how to change it from MS SQL TO ACCESS or to MY SQL? |
ProtoGuts
Posts: 5/9 |
wow just because you say coldfusion is better... I think I'm gonna switch to that... [/sarcasm]
PHP... pheer the php... and the php girls...
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