Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Modern Art - BMPs
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jmr
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When I design images, I use BMP ONLY if I plan to print the image. I burn a lot of CDs, and go all out with the labels. Right now I've got 50 megs of BMP sitting on the harddrive waiting for my new printer.... |
Jizuko
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I tend to use jpg and gif, I would like to use png more but the filesizes come out pretty big and IE doesn't support transperancy on it 
Using BMP is a deathsin though. |
Proto K
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I use PNG for almost all my screenshots that I take now.
BMP just doesn't cut it anymore.. |
FreeDOS
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JPEG: Great for photographs to be put on the Web! Don't attempt to print JPEGs. Most of them don't look good on paper.
PNG: Great for everything! Photographs tend to take up huge amounts of space, so I wouldn't recommend photos as PNG. Internet Explorer's lack of support for most of its benifits is the only thing stopping this format from being on every server. MNG is an animated format based on PNG, but no browser fully supports it (Mozilla comes really close, so do some Firefox extensions). There is a joke about the real meaning of PNG: PNG's Not GIF!
GIF: Almost useless in this day of age. Sometimes GIFs come out smaller than their PNG counterpart, sometimes the PNG comes out smaller. (Note that when comparing the two, make sure that the two images are indexed the same. A size comparison between a 24-bit PNG and a 8-bit GIF doesn't tell a lot)
I also would recommend GIMP to everyone for saving these images (it has the best PNG compatibility!)! The GIMP is the free equivalent of Photoshop.  |
KawaiiImoto-e
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Originally posted by Acmlm
BMP can have RLE compression, yeah ... it does cut down on filesize already, but it's nowhere as efficient as GIF or PNG (and I don't think it works for 24bit BMP)
PNG is better than GIF for nearly everything (supports 24bit, partial transparencies, no costly patent), it just needs better support from browsers (damn you Internet Explorer, support transparency will you  ) and MNG needs to spread around more ...
GIF sometimes gives lower filesizes than PNG, usually with small images, but PNG is almost always better
Mostly when the source Image has more than 256 different colors, then the PNG will keep all, and the GIF discard some. |
Acmlm
Posts: 163/1173 |
BMP can have RLE compression, yeah ... it does cut down on filesize already, but it's nowhere as efficient as GIF or PNG (and I don't think it works for 24bit BMP)
PNG is better than GIF for nearly everything (supports 24bit, partial transparencies, no costly patent), it just needs better support from browsers (damn you Internet Explorer, support transparency will you ) and MNG needs to spread around more ...
GIF sometimes gives lower filesizes than PNG, usually with small images, but PNG is almost always better |
Keitaro
Posts: 52/1342 |
Originally posted by Ailure
PAINT's compression sucks. It make pictures looks very bad, at least for JPG.
I usually uses another program for it.
JPG is good for photos
PNG is good for graphics, I found out it's great for screenshots.
GIF I don't know what's good with it. It can be animated true... but there is MNG.
uhg. I always ALWAYS have to save as png with paint, because making it a jpeg or gif graphicaly rapes the image  |
KawaiiImoto-e
Posts: 85/1068 |
Originally posted by Hiryuu
Originally posted by Ailure
BMP supports compression belive it or not. But it's rarely used...
If you're talking about difference like 256 color, 16-bit, 24-bit (most used), or anything else like grayscale...then that's the only way I follow you. 
No, there is really a offical compressed BMP format. |
Xkeeper
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There's not much of a point in any of those. I saved a test one as a monochrome bitmap and it came out the same size. Argh. |
Prier
Posts: 32/8392 |
Originally posted by Ailure
BMP supports compression belive it or not. But it's rarely used...
If you're talking about difference like 256 color, 16-bit, 24-bit (most used), or anything else like grayscale...then that's the only way I follow you. |
Ailure
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BMP supports compression belive it or not. But it's rarely used. (it's probably sucks comparasion to GIF/JPG/PNG when it comes to making it smaller)
And yeah, there is modems that supports compression an ISP. Unfortunatly, I hadn't heard any Swedish ISP that does (mainly becuse they aren't investing in something that is becoming obsolote, Sweden's goverment invest alot of money into broadband ) |
Prier
Posts: 29/8392 |
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I remember putting a scanned BMP image (Apx. 2 megs or so of a BMP) as my wallpaper on an old 133 and watch it take forever to load. Fun times.
And X...that's because a BMP is uncompressed...and since some of the newer 56Ks support compression for objects like that...they go rather fast...I remember hitting around 20 KB/sec on a 56K with one. |
Xkeeper
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???: It, once again, depends on the computer. This computer "has" JPG support as well*. Installing Photoslop 7 adds JPG and GIF support.
A few of my best layouts came out of Paint's JPG compression actually. If anyone remembers the giant-ass red layout of doom, that came out of MS Paint entirely. Took long enough too.
I'd get something else, but considering how damn long it takes to load something like IE or PAINT for God sakes [1 to 60 seconds my God]... no.
Coding for the majority.
Oh, and if you haven't noticed, BMPs transfer much faster than most other things. Bouche sent me a 2MB bitmap over IRC once and it transferred at 12 KB/s [on dialup, wow]...
In any case, eventually I'm going to get this damn layout conve-- wait, chances are I'm going to make a new one anyway, most likely. The whole NaN thing.
Course how beats me. *shot* Ouch.
This post is remarkably long for just replying to an image thread 
*Doesn't work |
Ailure
Posts: 323/11162 |
PAINT's compression sucks. It make pictures looks very bad, at least for JPG.
I usually uses another program for it.
JPG is good for photos
PNG is good for graphics, I found out it's great for screenshots.
GIF I don't know what's good with it. It can be animated true... but there is MNG. |
KawaiiImoto-e
Posts: 74/1068 |
As much as I know, Paint only supports *.jpg and *.gifs if MS Office is correctly installed. (If the Office installation is somehow corrupt, say bye bye to looking at JPEGs or GIFs in Office programms and Paint). |
Pegasus
Posts: 72/251 |
I've started to use png's when I couldn't upload bmp's to angelfire in march of 2002, but the only time I use gif's are when I need the transparency the most.
Theoretically, Windows XP's MSPaint is better than previous versions of it.
Me have question too, can MSPaint from XP be used in a 95/98 environment? if anyone knows, that would be great. |
alte Hexe
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It has .gif, .png, any of them you can imagine. At least on XP. I can remember on 95 those options weren't available. |
Acmlm
Posts: 141/1173 |
Originally posted by Yoshi ARR
In all paint programs I've seen (not many), I don't remember there being those options. Just .bmp and some other weird thing.
PCX?
Yeah, Paint supports JPG now, and maybe GIF too (haven't checked, and I got rid of Paint long ago so I can't either) ... but older versions only had BMP And even the JPG support probably isn't one of the best ...
Paint Shop Pro 4 supports BMP, CLP, CUT, DIB, EPS, GIF, IFF, IMG, JPG, LBM, MAC, MSP, PBM, PCT, PCX, PGM, PIC, PNG, PPM, PSD, RAS, RAW, RLE, TGA, TIF, WMF and WPG (many of which I never used, but still), and there's other (free) programs you can get that also support that many image formats, or at least image converters if nothing else |
VGFreak877
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Surverus
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My paint has GIF JPG BMP PNG and TIFF.. Thats on Windows XP. |
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