Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Super Mario World hacking - ExGFX: How much?
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cpubasic13
Posts: 334/1346 |
Level design = Good
Graphics = BAD
That is what skateboarder11 said about my hack. I know my graphics aren't the best, but at least they are almost all handmade (except 2 things: KATW's sky tileset and the mountain background, ripped from Megaman X). The sprites I made myself. My favorite is the spike thing (mini user pic).
Handmade graphics can suck, but they are original and gives the hack more of a "This is good" feel. Any graphics handmade or ripped (custom palettes for the rips would be better) by yourself are best. If you suck at drawing, so what? Your graphics are unique and make the hack different from all the other hacks.
As for rips, don't use rips for sprites. If you want to have different sprites, make some of your own. And don't be limited by a certain sprite header (such as Pokey sprite set). You can combine a lot of sprites together. Try using a Ninji, Pokey, Spike Top, and Thwimp in the same level. Of course there are lots of possibilities.
Back on topic...
Use handmade ExGFX or rip from games other than SMAS and YI. Use the original graphics as well so you don't have to worry about the Map16 every level.
It is okay to use the ExGFX workshop for when you have no idea what to do for the next level, but not every level. If you use the graphics there, use them sparingly or at most five times a hack, maybe less. |
Xkeeper 2.0
Posts: 110/1091 |
Originally posted by knuck
Atma X, stop spamming.
WHY KNUCK HATES THE EXGFX WORKSHOP:
<sarcasm>
- Imagine 20 great hacks all using the same GFX from the workshop. Perfect! How Original! It will help the smw hacking community to make better hacks!  </sarcasm>
- Using exgfx workshop will encourage people to NOT learn how to rip, making smw hackers be just OMG I MAEK LEVLS OOLL
- Most rips there are glitched.
So, there it is.
And stop whining, there is nothing wrong with SMAS or YI GFX (ok, maybe SMAS). Deal with it.
I disagree about the ExGFX Workshop... as I use it AND rip.
But he has a point about SMAS and YI GFX.
and how are the rips glitched?  |
Atma X
Posts: 412/801 |
Yes I agree, Knuck had a good point about the ExGfx Workshop, but that's not what I was responding to. |
Smallhacker
Posts: 247/2273 |
Note: This isn't supposed to be flaming and/or offensive (if there's a difference)
Accually, Knuck have got a point...
Yes, yes... I like the ExGFX workshop. It's a nice site with nice rips/hand made gfx, but still... If everybody uses the same, you would sooner or later get bored on it (like with the SMAS/YI rips... 134,1% overused). HOWEVER, as I stated earlier, GFX isn't the most important things, but still... If the graphics are boring, the odds are lower that you will play it... Even though the game might be fun... There's accually 2 forms of GFX that will never (IMO) get overused: The standard SMW GFX and ones you make yourself. 
I've already said it, but I have to say it again:
This isn't supposed to be flaming and/or offensive! It's... uhm... feedback... |
Atma X
Posts: 411/801 |
Knuck: I was spamming eh,... I suppose it was (according to the rules stated in the FAQ), since it was off topic.
I could have sent you a PM, but I figured it would be much more convienent for you (and everyone else) to find it here (since they can't read your PMs directly, what better way could there be!?!?! )
Here's a better way to aviod this from now on:
NEVER SAY YOU LOVE ME AGAIN!!!!!!  (through your "Location", or ANY other part of your Profile, or directly)
(don't say you love me, and I won't have any reason to Spam,... so in other words, Don't be a Faggot!)
Oh and BTW, don't try to act like a mod (by telling me to stop spamming) |
knuck
Posts: 385/1818 |
Atma X, stop spamming.
WHY KNUCK HATES THE EXGFX WORKSHOP:
<sarcasm>
- Imagine 20 great hacks all using the same GFX from the workshop. Perfect! How Original! It will help the smw hacking community to make better hacks! </sarcasm>
- Using exgfx workshop will encourage people to NOT learn how to rip, making smw hackers be just OMG I MAEK LEVLS OOLL
- Most rips there are glitched.
So, there it is.
And stop whining, there is nothing wrong with SMAS or YI GFX (ok, maybe SMAS). Deal with it.
Atma X
Posts: 404/801 |
oh, n/m |
Kario
Posts: 426/2082 |
the 3D forest is in the workshop. It doesn't actually look 3D though... |
Atma X
Posts: 403/801 |
A 3D Forest , can you show a screenshot? |
asdf
Posts: 68/303 |
Don't forget palette swaps! Even if ExGFX is unoriginal or overused, you can change it's palette to make it stand out better than the normal "supplied" palettes. That's why I supplied five different palettes for the 3D forest set. |
cpubasic13
Posts: 321/1346 |
I have to agree with Atma on one thing: NO RIPPING FROM SMAS!!! SMAS was just the classic games with graphic changes, nothing more. I think the graphics are now boring in my opinion (and I think it is the reason knuck hates the ExGFX Workshop).
Use handmade graphics. Sure you may suck at the drawing, but it gives the hack a more creative feel. Plus you can make whatever you want with the graphics when you make them.
Use some ExGFX, but still use the normal graphics. you can make more creative levels sometimes with the original graphics. |
Atma X
Posts: 398/801 |
Ok, I fixed it. |
Xkeeper 2.0
Posts: 107/1091 |
Atma X, DON'T stretch tables like that 
I like to see quite a bit of ExGFX... I personally almost never use the SMW GFX... |
Atma X
Posts: 395/801 |
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT MORE RIPPING FROM "SMAS"     
Choose another game to rip from, too many people have ripped from SMAS and it's getting old, and it's making the hacks very boring. |
Darkmatt
Posts: 89/212 |
Lots, But not all slots filled, unless it's a japanese hacker.
You can rip off GFX easy off Allstars with YY-CHR. |
gnkkwinrrul
Posts: 212/647 |
Only a few. I tire of putting new ones in my hack very easliy. |
Atma X
Posts: 393/801 |
@Knuck: "(From: I LOVE ATMAX)" Why Would you put something like that ?!?
Change your "location", it's scary (never say you love me again)
Kario
Posts: 399/2082 |
I would have to say none. As long as its fun, the GFX used shouldn't matter. Now, a hack with no custom blocks, that is boring. |
Aioria
Posts: 380/1567 |
You can do interesting levels w/ only a decent level design plus some hand drawn work. but exgfx are very necessary, or else the hack wont be too nice looking |
Ailure
Posts: 2527/11162 |
Required for a hack? None of course.
Heck, you can make a intresting hack of just pallate changes. 
ExGFX adds depth to hacks, but only if propely done. |
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