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Eclipse
Posts: 36/50 |
If elmo wants to listen to music like that then he should, it really shouldn't matter what people listen to. It's just down right idiotic of someone to judge someone else on what they wear or listen to or who they hang around with. It's the persons choise what they want to do. |
Liquid Pi Experiment
Posts: 31/138 |
I don't understand how you CAN like all that poppy and cheesy stuff elmo! (note, respecting your opinion, just curious as to how you can like it!) From a musicians standpoint its killing what used to be the MUSIC industry, with made-to-measure stars and artists, making it all the harder for aspiring muso's to break into the industry!
Trance (and i tried so hard to listen to it!) is the most boring music I'v ever heard, and I'm doing a degree recordingm so I need to listen to all and every type of music! Its so repetative. Don't even get me started on the filth that populates the top 40!
I honestly get angry when I see the shallowness of the general public, rushing to meet their new "idol" who in 10 minutes will be dumped for the next ponce with flashy clothes and an even odder hairstyle.
Call me a music snob if you will, but I honestly can't deem "pop" and all its subcultures "music"
You'll call me closed minded, but I'm not. I will give anything a good listen, and if I like it, being a sufferer of Obsessive compulsive disorder when it comes to music, will endeavour to get every album, every side project and every bit of info i can! I'd list my CD collection, but I havenae the time to write out over 1000 CDs! |
Eclipse
Posts: 7/50 |
Who cares what they say in your tastes of music, hell i'm goth and i still listen to the spice girls |
Arwon
Posts: 57/506 |
I'm not sure that the "top 40 charts" are too much of an indication of talent (well, okay, I'm damn aure they aren't)... nor even a reliable indicator of popularity. Who likes Creed in such numbers?
The "charts" strike me as being a very narrow and distorted view of things pereptuated by people whose interests are in making their people seem more popular and acclaimed than they actually are. I know the plural of anecdote is not data, but most people I know couldn't name most of the current "top 40" music, I should think.
Kind of like how all you need to get a "New York Times Bestseller" is to get a bunch of books sold in bulk by retailers. It's gotten to the stage where the list bears little resemblence to people's real buying or reading tastes. If you find a bunch of "New York Times Bestsellers" in a dollar bin at a thrift store, it's a good bet that they pulled that trick.
That's not to say there isn't good "top 40" music because there is, but I think it's a pretty incidental thing. ie "goodness" and "top40ness" are basically independent of each other, and there's not much of a cause and effect relationship between the two. |
Uncle Elmo
Posts: 313/1062 |
Originally posted by Arwon
Consider - Aren't you being snobbish towards people who don't like cheesy and "shallow" things, pre-judging their reasons as being because they're afraid of their reputations? Aren't you forming opinions of others based on their tastes? Isn't that a form of snobbery too? ie "I'm so liberated and comfortable with myself I like shallow and cheesy things!"
Just a thought. I'm certainly not holding it against you or trying to attack you, because I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, and besides which, I think it's natural to make judgements about people's tastes and everyone does it to some extent.
That's a good argument and one I've not really considered before, it's just that given my previous experiences with people and music, some people are "afraid" of admitting they like shallow and cheesy music, and it's just plain silly, as they must get to number one SOMEHOW
Kas - Yep, you were the inspiration for this thread, although I hope you realise I wasn't taking the mickey out of you.
Slash - "Champagne Supernova" is class., you also seem to share my taste in dance music. |
Slash Dafter
Posts: 109/584 |
Oasis isn't too bad. My fav of there's is "Champagne Supernova"
I used to come under a lot of fire because most of my friends like punk rock, alternative, metal, etc. and I prefer dance, techno, and europop (along with videogame soundtracks, there's some common ground here.  ), but then I told them "Do I ever diss your music?" and that shut them up. |
The SomerZ
Posts: 200/862 |
Well, I think it's quite obvious that if you don't like Oasis, you're going to HELL!
No, really, I think it's ok to have different tastes in music, and it's ok to discuss what's best and why. But to think that someone is worse than others, simply because of their taste in music is stupid (of course, if you happen to love Oasis, that gives you an extra happy-star in my book  ) |
Kasumi-Astra
Posts: 299/1867 |
Hehe, I think I can guess what inspired this thread, Elmo
Yes, musical snobbery really annoys me too, despite what I say about bands such as Busted
When it comes to bands like Busted, it's because they're manufactured by the media. All their image and reputation has come from money that their label hands over to the press. Their image as "reblious punks" quite frankly makes me want to burn their CDs.
Despite this, one of friends makes no secret that he likes Busted and Avril Lavigne, and depsite him being the butt end of some jokes, we all respect his taste.
I myself like some bands that make me come under fire from musical snobs. I'm a big fan of Limp Bizkit (in particularly a certain guitarist who has now departed the band). Usually when people hear that I'm into Wes Borland they shut up (and rightly so ), because he is a highly respected musician by a number of people inside and out of the industry. I'm also into bands such as Rammstein, Powerman 5000 and Amen, which you could hardly class as pop metal.
The biggest snob I usually encounter is the hardcore Metalica fan who is intent on converting everyone to "real" metal. Not only do some people snub you for liking bands where you can buy any of their records in a shop, but they've given it a name...
"Mallcore". Yeah, in two of the malls Reading, you can buy just about any CD you care to mention, which includes hardcore metal stuff. People like this only label music for the purposes of getting ahead in life by labeling other people as stupid. |
Clockworkz
Posts: 747/2002 |
Originally posted by oniblade
Originally posted by Clockworkz
People say I'm gay just 'cause I like Moby. I disagree with his beliefs (kinda), but I love his music. Just 'cause I don't listen to unintelligible screaming or a bunch of words thrown in with an urban beat talking about slapping the bitch up the ass doesn't mean I'm any more or any less of a person.
what the hell?
slapping a bitch up the ass?
its smacking a bitch up, and killing niggaz.
or fisting
My Bad. Goes to show yyou what I know about rap  |
Bella
Posts: 155/2962 |
When someone doesnt like or put the kind of music I like up in front of them, I don't use it to hold it against them. It doesn't matter to me what you listen to. Listen to whatever the hell you want. It isn't going to kill me or let me live on. What matters is what I listen to and what makes me happy. It doesn't matter if someone tells me my music sucks ass, I'm still gonna listen to it. I like all types of music but I seem to favor more Hip hop and R&B. I have different musical tastes at certain parts in the day. Maybe last night I felt like being a rocker chick or something. Maybe later on today I'll feel like being someones homie. 
In other words, people shouldn't look down on someone just because they favor another genre of music. I've had that done to me. It doesn't mean I'm less intelligent than you. It just means that there's something wrong with that person and they like picking on people who they think are dumb and won't hold up a good argument because of what they listen to. It happens way too much to me, it gets annoying. |
Arwon
Posts: 56/506 |
Well, they're more rock than "jazz" or "classical" or whatever. Which is kinda what I was driving at. Almost all modern popular music owes its roots to "rock" in some form or another.
I like both those songs, too. I've been on a bit of a Lovecats kick today, actually (Don't forget the trumpet, too!).
Ba-da-dap-bap-bap-bap-bap-baa-dada, baa-dap-dap-dap-dadda...
Meanwhile:
Consider - Aren't you being snobbish towards people who don't like cheesy and "shallow" things, pre-judging their reasons as being because they're afraid of their reputations? Aren't you forming opinions of others based on their tastes? Isn't that a form of snobbery too? ie "I'm so liberated and comfortable with myself I like shallow and cheesy things!"
Just a thought. I'm certainly not holding it against you or trying to attack you, because I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here, and besides which, I think it's natural to make judgements about people's tastes and everyone does it to some extent. |
Uncle Elmo
Posts: 304/1062 |
The reason I doubted the Cure's "Rock" credentials, as of the two songs I like of theirs, neither can be classed as "rock" in the classic sense.
"lovecats" is... well hard to describe, but I suppose you could call it a folk song, as the only instruments seem to be a piano, double bass and a snare drum.
"Friday I'm in love" is a ballad, lots of lush strings, that sort of thing.
Oh and make fun of Boy Georise at your peril as he's actually a kick arse DJ these days, and also some Culture Club songs weren't that cheesy at all.
I have songs I don't like, and songs I like, I have to listen to everything first, I suppose I'm pretty shallow, but I'm not harming anyone.
I'd like to call myself an anti-snob, as I love music others shy away from seemingly because it'll damage their reputations, but as long as it has a nice beat and tune, what does it matter if it's cheesy? |
Arwon
Posts: 55/506 |
I'm tempted to agree, Elmo, but no, I don't think I can. Is all music equal, as far as artistic integrity, creativity, originality and such goes? I probably am a music snob, but then I'm probably also quite ecclectic in my tastes (who isn't, these days?). The two certainly aren't exclusive. I like the Village People and Prince but I make fun of, say, Boy George.
Though, actually, I don't have anything against, say, Brittney Spears or Delta Goodrum et al (people aho are really "anti-pop" annoy me), because they're not really "artists" so much as they are a product (not unlike computer chips). They spring up to fulfil a need, and to cater to a specific market of which I am not a part, and they make no pretentions about "cred" or whatever.
However, I look down on, say, Blink 182 and Good Charlotte. I think they're insipid drivel and as a consequence, my opinion of someone who is super-into that sort of stuff is going to be lower than it would be if they listened to, say, the Talking Heads. That's natural.
People whose tastes are closer to my own, are naturally going to be held in higher regard by me. Because that tells me instantly that I have common ground with them. I get excited when I meet people whose tastes match mine - it tells me there's a decent chance I can get along with this person.
Conversely, when I meet someone whose tastes run into stuff I really dislike (especially white-shirted accoustic college rock like Dave Matthews Band or John Mayer, or angry middle-class rebellion sludge like Limp Bizkit or System of a Down etc) or people who have never heard of or hate a lot of stuff I listen to... then that makes it that much harder to find common ground with them.
That's not just a music thing. Some sort of commonalities of interest, tend to make it easier to get along with someone and respect them. Car buffs, for example, wouldn't have a very high opinion of me nor I of them... and people who hate sport probably look down on me because I'm a big Australian Football fan.
That's not to say, of course, that I or anyone else can't get along with/become friends with/fall in love with people with totally different interests. We're all different, we all have our own quirks and tastes and foibles, and we all go together in often strange and unexpected ways. I can love a car fanatic, I could hate someone whose musical tastes match mine completely, I have quite a few friends who hate sport of all kinds, and plenty who think my musical tastes are fucked up.
Humans are funny creatures. Similarities and commonalities can help breed friendship and respect, but they don't always and the reverse is also true (differences don't always lead to conflict, snobbery, lack of respect, etc).
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Now, a slightly different train of thought:
I tend to look down on people who confine themselves to one genre ("I like metal!") as well as people who claim to be so openminded and stuff that they like "all music" ("all music" as distinct from "ecclectic", of course!) so maybe I'm just an ass.
Or maybe, I find that there's different styles of musical fanhood that transcend specific genres. They might have different tastes, but people who pidgeonhole themselves into a genre probably could be said to have similar attitudes to music, a similar style of fanhood. (Thus a devoted Metal fan gives off much the same vibes as a Ska kid or whatever)
Likewise, people who claim to "like everything" probably all have a fairly similar way of liking music - the folks who don't care enough to have opinions, or the folks who like lots of random stuff from all different places. There's people who obsess over one album for ages then move onto another and obsess over that, and there's people who can't get enough of all different things, voraciously tearing through heaps of music and liking lots of stuff, but not having any real defined favourites that last over time - so "What music do you like?" is a bloody hard question to answer for them.
You can kinda get different vibes from people's tastes even if they like the same basic musical territory. "I like punk!" shows a different sort of musical taste than "I'm fond of a lot of late 70s stuff, the British punk stuff, that crazy New York punk/new wave scene... the Ramones, the Clash, Television, Talking Heads, you know..." and these are both different from "at the moment I'm really digging Sandanista" and "my punk rocker friend made me this cool old-school punk CD. I love London Calling!" is different again.
So it's an attitude thing and a personality thing, as well as just what music they specificlaly like, that can cause someone (ie me) to look down on someone else's musical tastes. Not that this makes them a bad person. My mum likes, basically, Country Music (mainly Australian stuff) and a few sugary 70s pop bands. We agree, basically, on ABBA, Blondie and the Flaming Lips. Nothing else.
What was I saying? Musical tastes do, inevitably, have some bearing on people's view of one another, if the people in question like music a lot. It's inevitable. But, at the same time, it's not just what someone listens to, it's their attitudes and stuff.
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Oh, and the Cure are so rock, at least by a broadish definition. "Boys Don't Cry" is awesome.
Then again, they're also goth and synth-pop. And also whiny queer music for whiny queers. Apparently.
Go Figure. |
Uncle Elmo
Posts: 301/1062 |
The Cure? Rock? Hmm.... I suppose. My fave cure song would be "Friday I'm in love", followed by "Lovecats" by the way |
Ramadan Roy
Posts: 184/816 |
Classic Rock all the way, baby! Recently, I have been listening some songs by The Cure (26 of them, to be exact), and I LOVE THEM!! Every song I listened to, I liked. I dunno, I guess they have a certain spark to them. |
Jarukoth
Posts: 797/3194 |
I would like to think I like most music, but I tend to stick more towards punk and metal, mostly.
Dropkick Murphys. Thanks a lot, Adam. |
oniblade
Posts: 14/183 |
Originally posted by Clockworkz
People say I'm gay just 'cause I like Moby. I disagree with his beliefs (kinda), but I love his music. Just 'cause I don't listen to unintelligible screaming or a bunch of words thrown in with an urban beat talking about slapping the bitch up the ass doesn't mean I'm any more or any less of a person.
what the hell?
slapping a bitch up the ass?
its smacking a bitch up, and killing niggaz.
or fisting
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alte Hexe
Posts: 553/5458 |
I'm a music snob, but I have reasons to be so...Mostly because I'm quite arrogant when it comes to music, and listen to almost all of the stuff, new and old, and almost all the genres.
Frankly, I don't care what people like, but if they screw up on metal, they can expect to be mega-corrected |
drjayphd
Posts: 215/1477 |
Actually, it's been scientifically proven that liking the Libertines DOES make you a better person than a Spice Girls fan. But not as good as a fan of the Darkness.
What's worse is the people who will hate you for just stumbling onto a band that they've liked since the beginning, when they aren't even getting big yet. No scene points for them. What it really comes down to is that you, Elmo, should brush that dirt off your shoulders. That's about all those people are worth anyways... you should be free to listen to whatever you want. |
Clockworkz
Posts: 738/2002 |
People say I'm gay just 'cause I like Moby. I disagree with his beliefs (kinda), but I love his music. Just 'cause I don't listen to unintelligible screaming or a bunch of words thrown in with an urban beat talking about slapping the bitch up the ass doesn't mean I'm any more or any less of a person. |
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