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Bio
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did you notice that the religion as less power than before, Its because of the science evolution,Example: When the religion started to say that washing is bad so people only washed themself 1 time in their life... for the baptem. But once the science proof that washing can reduce the sickness, people don't ask question and washed themself, I think that because anyone got a logic sense of truth so even the most deep inside religion will have a part of him saying Its all lie. |
Legion
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MorbidMolly, that post is considered spam as it doesn't have any actual content to it and doesn't further the conversation in any way. In the future, please provide more thought and detail into your posts. |
Shadow Red
Posts: 19/133 |
I wouldnt go as far as saying religion sucks. It has positive and negative affects. Such as it is a unifying force of people with closely related beliefs. This definelty is a positive affect and it still does help alot of people out.
Trying to judge other people by your own beliefs isnt a smart thing to do, it just pushes people further away from you and your ideals.
They still stand for community and a healthy outlook on life. Dont completely rule it out as bad, not one person represents a movement and the same goes for the christian religion.
Human nature likes to harp on the negatives without looking at the positives. |
MorbidMolly
Posts: 170/171 |
The word 'Christian' means Christ like. Christ is not the way "Christians" are today. I don't know what to tell people when they ask me if I'm a Christian or not. I hate all the things they stand for now. They're selfish people who won't exept anyone for who they are. They judge everyone thinking that they are all holy and shtuff. I love God but, Religeon SUCKS. The End. |
alte Hexe
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I suppose you have also read the fact that he attempt to teach acceptingness (nee. tolerance) to many towards the poor?
Also, remember, the Bible in and of itself is multi-faceted. And I don't see intolerance and such. |
Teddylot
Posts: 761/851 |
Originally posted by alte Hexe
Well, he taught those too.
Jesus taught alot of stuff.
Yeah, he did teach a lot of stuff ... just not tolerance.
If Jesus preached tolerance, I doubt he would have said:
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." ((John 14:6))
This verse is the reason why people nowadays, who doubt the Bible and its word, consider most Christians, who agree and believe in this verse, intolerant.
What you see in the Bible, Ziff, and believe to be tolerance is compassion.
Of course, I may be wrong, so if you have evidence to back up your statement. I'll be glad to be proven so. |
Legion
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*smacks head*
Man, that's a fuck-up for the record books.  |
alte Hexe
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Originally posted by Legion
Sometimes I get the feeling that the only decent Christian to have ever lived was Christ himself.
He wasn't a Christian, though. He was a Jew.  |
Legion
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Sometimes I get the feeling that the only decent Christian to have ever lived was Christ himself. |
alte Hexe
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Well, he taught those too.
Jesus taught alot of stuff. |
Teddylot
Posts: 758/851 |
"Like any extreme....the people are simply misguided. They've taken the teachings of someone who preached peace, tolerance and love and reamed it right up the arse.
--Ziff
Not tolerance ... compassion and mercy. |
seanbabaganoosh
Posts: 53/71 |
I'm a christian myself, and I really do not like how other people of my faith want to convert others left and right. It is simply not right. For crying out loud, god gave man free will, and if you don't want to believe in god, then so be it.
They fail to see how one becomes a true believer; it comes from the heart, from the soul, thats where true faith arises. For someone to accept it on his/her own shows clearly that they are true believers not some product of a brainwashing scheme.
Our world has many cultures and religions, and as I see it, let people believe want they want to believe in.
Homosexuals, though their lifestyle isn't something that interests me, I do not like to see them being deprived of their human rights. They are people, thus like everyone else in this world, they should be treated as such.
Anyway, thats my rant. The thing is, christianity, or any other religion for that matter, can be used for the wrong reason. The religions themeselves are not bad, but its just the people, the select few who take them completely out of context.
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Clockworkz
Posts: 1764/2002 |
Actually, Clock, no. You see, the whole reason those essays aren't in there (and the 2nd reason I like Moby) is because they are true. Tee Arr Yuu Eee. True. If I didn't agree with them, they wouldn't be there. I've dispised the Christian Right for over 6 years now. I hate them so much. Then, my sister introduced me to Moby (I loved his music) and I got hooked on him. Then I read his essays, and I was like, "Wow. Good head on your shoulders, dude." |
ClockExplosion
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ClockExplosion - I've heard the James-ian vs. Paul-ian argument before, I've never quite gotten the message as I'm not welcomed by the people in my community that make it, but isn't it generally a Protestant vs. Catholic sort of ditty?
Pretty much, except there are Paul-ian Catholics and James-ian Protestant (Hilariously, Martin Luther wanted to remove the book of James from canon). The James-ian philosophy is an earlier, more militaristic (ala Islam) version of Christianity, while the Paul-ian is more based on forgiveness and love and that good stuff.
Cymoro - I'm not exactly calling him on that he is a Moby fan - I'm just bringing up my opinion is that he's taking Moby's views as his own, which is detrimental to anyone, including myself for bieng a Spice Girls fan.  (Although I'm not...) |
Legato
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Christianity = Good
ALL sort of fanaticism (Fanatic atheists, christians) = Bad
I talk pretty much nowadays with all sort of christians, atheists, agnostics and satanists. And I have to say that I all those groups have their own extreme fanatics (well, maybe not agnostics) and usually they are SO close-minded and they always try to press their philophies and ideas upon others. Also, it makes you generally lose your critical and objective thinking, and that's why I'm pretty agnostic myself, even tough I sometimes participate in Ev.Lutheran Church's and Finnish Ev.Lutheran Pietist's events.
Generally I think that only good view of life is agnosticism (maybe in some level even satanism, NOT satan worshipping). Atheism, christianity, all sort of belief based on some sort of divinity is bad and leads to a close-minded and pressing thinking. And I think that there must be some sort of higher power, mainly because of all highly advanced protein-machines called 'life' in short and I don't think that this universe could be born from nothing, but I don't know if that higher power is christianity's G/god or only some sort of high energy or whatever. |
alte Hexe
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There are extremes on both side.
There are the sheeple left and right. The left consists of kids that listen to too much Greenday and then become politically apathetic once that stops getting Top 40 radio play and never vote (which is also expressed in many rightist groups). The right is generally the kids that are homeschooled and have never thought for themselves or are engulfed with fear and misunderstanding that they express it in hatred (which also is expressed in many leftist groups).
To say that their is no Christian Right would be moronic, there is a Christian Right. There are different degrees. Dominionists who literally want to drive America and Canada into the ground to kick start the rapture. The "Christian Reich" like Ann Coulter that use God and Jesus as a new way to hate. Then there is the regular Christian Right that are generally benign social conservatives who just want things to culturally cool down. I mean, I can understand them, but don't agree. Most of these support equal rights, but want the "Christian" definition of marriage, etc. to remain. Geeogree could be considered a member of the Christian Right. The Christian Left has its own millenarists which are actually just passive dominionists. The Christian Left then has its own components from there. "Old Boys" who are socially conservative but socialists in any other sense. Generally just anti-gay. Men's men and are annoying as all hell. Then there are people like me who believe that Christian beliefs are inherently leftist. This goes for every religion too. I didn't think that there would be a Buddhist Right...But there is 
Point 1: Cymoro - I hate the American defintion of "PC" I think it has been over used there. PC just means you know, not dropping the N bomb and doing things of that sort. The Right and Left extremes in America whine too much and need to learn from others. Especially the right "DAMNED LIBERAL CONTROLED TELEVISION. WE HAVE TO START COMMITTEES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HEARD!" but when someone asks for fair and balanced broadcasting on say...Fox or something...Be damned if you're going to get that |
Cymoro
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Originally posted by ClockExplosion
There is no such thing as a Christian Right, as there is no such thing as a Dumbass Left.
I really think religious label should be put out of politics, because just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they're all automatically a Republican. I know a girl who's a Christian Science who registered for the Democratic party. There are others.
Now if you're talking about the right in general, all I have to say is that the right is mostly the conservatives - meaning that, they want things to be the same. If it ain't broke, don't fix it right?
Now, if you mean Christians who are in Politics, I like to call these Political Christians, who usually, are still a true Christian from a different camp (James-ian, not Paul-ian). Their beliefs are as valued as the next one, even if it's "wrong".
And Clockwork, you need to get your own thought process instead of bieng a blind Moby follower.
See, each side has their own section. You've got the Hippie Left, the Redneck Right, the Business Right, the College Professor Left, and of course, the Christian Right or Left (which goes both ways because religeon can be used to either favor a war or oppose it, etc.). Also, I'd be willing to disagree with you and say that there is a Dumbass Left, as well as a Dumbass Right. Of course, I just call them dickholes, but everyone has to be politically correct.
Also, why the hell would you bring up the point of Clockworkz being a Moby fan? That's like me telling you you're a retard and don't know how to argue because you like the Spice Girls, or something like that. |
Dracoon
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This is one of the reasons I don't like being called a Christian sometimes. Because these people make Christians look like a bunch of assholes who are trying to surpress everything. Hell, someone insulted the Jewish people, and he was following the old testament things... I love it. |
ClockExplosion
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There is no such thing as a Christian Right, as there is no such thing as a Dumbass Left.
I really think religious label should be put out of politics, because just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean they're all automatically a Republican. I know a girl who's a Christian Science who registered for the Democratic party. There are others.
Now if you're talking about the right in general, all I have to say is that the right is mostly the conservatives - meaning that, they want things to be the same. If it ain't broke, don't fix it right?
Now, if you mean Christians who are in Politics, I like to call these Political Christians, who usually, are still a true Christian from a different camp (James-ian, not Paul-ian). Their beliefs are as valued as the next one, even if it's "wrong".
And Clockwork, you need to get your own thought process instead of bieng a blind Moby follower. |
Dude Man
Posts: 64/116 |
There is nothing I hate more then a bunch of shit talking crybaby Christian extremests.
They took the good name of the lord and christ and turned them both into weapons of hatred and opression.
It pisses me off so much because I have friends who are gay. And I know what they go through and how shitty some people act around them.
I say we make our own agenda.
We shall call it the
"Shut the hell up" agenda. |
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