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Cymoro
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I just see it like this: Let the religeon do whatever the hell it wants. If you don't like it, make another branch. That's where protestants and lutherans, and all other different sects came from.

If a group of Hindu people felt that eating cow wasn't as sacreligeous (just using this as an example) as their religeon made it out to be, they can go and make their own sect. Easy as that. It's like the gay marriage debate. It's stupid to argue that same-sex marriage should be alllowed for religeons that don't allow it, but marriages in ones that do (or civil unions) are okay.
alte Hexe
Posts: 4261/5458
Actually, you'd have to look beyond the simplistic histories and understand that in that period there was an inherent problem. Although seen by most contemporary historians as a myth regarding Pope John, there was a problem inside of the other Diocese (Antioch, Rome, Constanstinople, Damscus, etc.). Basically, you'll not find it, but a woman effectively ascended the hierarchy and declared herself Pope. Of course, this is "hidden" Vatican information as it would be called heretical. I was speaking to a Dominican priest about Pope John who said that the name is effectively a blanket term referring to what was an early problem of women getting high up in the hierarchy.

Although there is debate that during the post-Schism Church there may have been female "mini-Popes". But many of these historical documents would've been destroyed.

I should've explained that better in the first place.

"it was only because of a mistake (and the Roman Catholic Church certainly got their collective knickers in a twist over the matter), one that they would have taken great pains to ensure did not happen again."

And when you say Roman Catholic Church, you have to take into account the Greek Rites, the Slavic Rites, the Eastern Rites, the Orthodox Church, the Egyptian Coptic Church and a few others that are seen by the Holy See as having Valid Eucharists.
Vystrix Nexoth
Posts: 331/348
Originally posted by Ziff
There was Pope John. Who was a woman.
No there wasn't, and even if there were, it was only because of a mistake (and the Roman Catholic Church certainly got their collective knickers in a twist over the matter), one that they would have taken great pains to ensure did not happen again.
Dracoon
Posts: 3228/3727
I'm not catholic so I don't know everything about the religion. However in protistant (which I really no longer consider myself or of any religion/aithism/whatever.) women can be pastors since we really don't have preists.
alte Hexe
Posts: 4251/5458
Ordination of women continued into the 1400s. There was Pope John. Who was a woman.

Really, there is no reason to not ordain them.

For orthodoxy sake, it can be argued either way.
Vystrix Nexoth
Posts: 329/348
Originally posted by CityGirl
The reason women aren't allowed to be ordained, so says the Church, is because they "do no bear a natural resemblence to God." God, of course, meaning Jesus. So, because women don't LOOK like Jesus, the thought is, they can not represent Jesus during communion.
In that case, anyone who is not male, white, with a goatee and long hair (brown, not blonde or red or black) is disqualified, assuming you go by the traditional (read: western) reckoning of how Jesus looked. If one considers just where he was born and lived, he probably looked not unlike modern Arabs (or something), and watching the American Church handling that should make for quite a spectacle.

But I digress. I think the "resemblance" to God
Ben rhymes with ???
Posts: 25/69
I believe that logic is being derived from a system (the bible) to whom logic is a complete stranger. My opinion though is that yes women should be ordained as priests, and for the amount of good it will do, chimpanzees should be ordained as bishops, for where in all of St. Paul's hilariously sexist verses does he disallow chimpanzees in to the order of the clergy?

Why can
CityGirl
Posts: 4/13
What are people's thoughts on women's ordination? For it, against it? And how many of you think it will ever happen?

I am for women being ordained as priests. The reason women aren't allowed to be ordained, so says the Church, is because they "do no bear a natural resemblence to God." God, of course, meaning Jesus. So, because women don't LOOK like Jesus, the thought is, they can not represent Jesus during communion. I am an advocate of Elizabeth Johnson's argument, which, to my understanding, is this:

We are called, as Catholics, to participate in the life of Jesus through the sacrament of the Eucharist. The priest serves as the symbol of Jesus. By not allowing women to be priests the Catholic church is effectively saying that women are not able to participate in the life of Jesus. The Church believes that the only way to salvation is through the life of Jesus-- thus, they're effectively saying women can't be saved.

What are other people's thoughts?
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