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<blockquote>Originally posted by Alastor the Stylish<hr><blockquote>Originally posted by Keikonium<hr>I will start off by saying that with ALL of these shots, it looks kinda like the original SMW, just with new graphics, and a few tiles and such moved around:P. I believe you have the ability to make a great hack, you just need to chnage it enough so it doesn't look like the original as much.<hr></blockquote>That's kinda the point, though. It's SUPPOSED to be directly related to SMW. I mean, the game takes place in Dinosaur Land so why would it look really different? I don't believe everything needs to be new in order to make a good hack, and even when I do change things around, which is fairly common, I always try to keep it in the same basic style as that of SMW.

<blockquote>Originally posted by Keikonium<hr>1. Your small tombstones look kinda like pots or jugs. They dont really look like tombstones. Ii understand that working with 8x8 pixels is hard, but try using the "small hill" that came with the game, and changing that so it looks like a tomb stone. Your big tombstones would look good with some shadow. Bad idea to put a level (yellow switch) right next to a level (big red dot). It will look weird when the events come along. 1 lone dirt clump in the top left, with no other ones on the map = no. And grass tiles that go in opposite directions. The green lines on the big ladder need to be made dark or light gray. Other than all that stuff, your overworld is nice. It looks like the original Yoshi's island, shifted to the right, and then the first thing you see when you leave YI pushed down into the bottom of the shot. It looks good, keep it up. Thank god for no palette clashes!! As you can see, im picky when it comes to overworlds (I have re-done mine 5 or 6 times cause I haven't liked them).<hr></blockquote>You're right about most everything. I'll see if I can rework them to follow what you said. A few things, though - there are some dirt clumps elsewhere. Actually, that area has a lot of them before the star world warp area appears over them. Also, I don't quite follow you when you say there's a clash between tiles that are right next to each other... I haven't heard this complaint before, ever, and when I play the hack with others with ZSNES' netplay feature a few people have even complemented me for not screwing it up by making something ugly despite them being next to each other <_<

<blockquote>Originally posted by Keikonium<hr>2. Once again, almost nothing has been changed. I have an idea for you. You want to keep this "spacial" theme with the starness? Well, make it moon warps instead. Make a "3-up" moon shaped land mass, and work with that. I will tell you now that it will be alot better than a star. Also change the star warps so they look like the 3-up moon shape. Do that, re-work the paths and palettes/ow BG, and it would look awesome. I would love to see you pull it off. BTW, I like the "destroying" parts of the map when beating a level to gain access to another level idea;).<hr></blockquote>Again, it looks the same because I don't want it to be different. It's fine how it is, and it's not like we've seen it all too much - heck, I can't think of a single other hack that had the overworld changed that had a Star World.

Edit: Except Demo World. And it doesn't really compare, seeing as all semblance of a ground was removed in it.

<blockquote>Originally posted by Keikonium<hr>4. WTF are the poles growing out of the tombstones??? I would suggest adding a iron rod gate in the BG with koopa's and goomba "fixtures" at the top points of the gate. Know what I mean? I think it would look good. Also, darken the BG palette (those tombstones are BG right?). Also, dont use forest ground and castle ground in the same level. Make your own graphics out of one of them, or both. Right now it looks bad with "natural" ground like dirt and stuff, while mario walks on "man-made" ground that looks like stone or metal. Custom graphics Kyouji! Come on you know better. Add some clouds in the BG also, and maby a moon?!?.

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The new shot looks okay. You need some text on there tho. Maby just a 16x16 block (or 16x32) of text squiggles, and it would look good.

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Yeah, okay. Actually, I was never really satisfied with the look and practically my entire intention in posting this thread was to get feedback on the graveyard design. The koopa and goomba fixtures thing is actually a really nice idea. Thank you, kei. And I probably will use different ground graphics. I think the grassland graphics I'm using now would look good in it if I gave it the right palette, actually.

<blockquote>Originally posted by Keikonium<hr>You are always harping on us about level design, something I haven't seen in these shots, previous shots, or the demo. Either the design has been to hard, to easy, or fairly unchanged. YOU should take your advice and fix this stuff.<hr></blockquote>Where was it too hard? Seriously, this one really gets me o_O The only even remotely hard part of the hack, as far as I know, was the boss battle in Mysterious Castle 2, which is being redone in the new version. Everything else simply took a little practice for new players to beat. Reason parts of it were rather easy is because, well, again, the original SMW was like that and I want to retain primarily the same feel. It's still fun, which is the entire point. It's never really pitifully easy, so... If you could present a more detailed case, I would gladly listen. Now, as for it being fairly unchanged... Wtf o_O I don't know how to respond to that. It just... Gets me. I don't know what you mean at all.

Everything Aioria says: Yeah, well. Frankly, I just don't give a damn what you have to say.<hr></blockquote>

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Sukasa Posts: 1115/1981	Well, I use the smallest size, but it's a matter or preference. Looks good, and I think that you do need to darken the palettes a bit.
Alastor the Stylish Posts: 6780/7620	So anyway. Any suggestions on what to do for bg ground?
mikepjr Posts: 179/242	I have nothing to complain about now, the ingame screenshot looks awsome. Well i still think something on the tombstones would be nice.
Glyph Phoenix Posts: 321/745	Hey. I play SMW hacks on the smallest setting. So lighten up the stuff on the poles. You are right about not having the sprites such as boos and dry bones lighter than the rest. Unless you are going for a cartoony look, which it doesn't seem you are, change the palettes.
Alastor the Stylish Posts: 6774/7620	It's a lot easier to make out when it's as big as it is in actual play (since face it, none of us play with the smallest screen out emulators can provide.) Behold, the power of big! And dammit, do the ghosts and dry bones here seem way too light to anyone else? They should be more like the land. IE, not terribly bright but still well enough lit. Anyone else find it funny that I'm commenting on these things but not actually changing them? I mean, this thought just makes me laugh. And yet I do nothing.
Glyph Phoenix Posts: 320/745	Damn it. You have to find a nice medium level of shading to use here. First they were so different they screwed with the foreground, and now they are so dark they're hard to make out. You claim the Boo and Lantern ghost are too light, but I'd say they're both better than the others. But at least you fixed the poles now. It looks like an actual fence now. Good.
Keikonium Posts: 1460/-2459	That fence looks awesome! It's much better than just the poles. The only statues that look bad are the boo and shyguy things as you said. The other ones look very good! Keep it up.
Sukasa Posts: 1094/1981	Why get rid of the boo statues? They add balance to that BG and look good. I would recommend you don't remove them. Kyouji doesn't know how to utilize things like HDMA. No, but I can use it now, and if you want, Kyouji, I can implement it for you.
Alastor the Stylish Posts: 6771/7620	The background as it will be once I finish the fence. Well, not exactly - There's still the matter of a slight bit of shading on the spikes not present here. I'll probably be getting rid of the boo and ghost guy statues, too, what with they're too light and making them darker kinda ruins them. And yeah, I know the ground sucks. I DO intend to replace it.
Keikonium Posts: 1454/-2459	Kyouji, I just realized that those poles weren't attatched by anything. What I meant is to do a fence in the BG like this: And have the spikes also. Then, instead of the balls on the posts, you would have various mario enemies like you did, but with the EXACT same colors as the gate. All of them would have the exact same color. I think this would look much better then just poles sticking out of the ground.
richyawyingtmv Posts: 20/116	Dear God I know what those gravestones look like now...Those shortbread biscuits you get in those Mcvities collections. Could change it to Buscuit World maybe
Glyph Phoenix Posts: 319/745	Kyouji doesn't know how to utilize things like HDMA. As for the graveyard, you've screwed it up even worse. The poles still don't look... remotely like poles. The various enemies at the top wouldn't be so bad if they were paletted correctly and not obnoxiously foreground-looking like they are. And your gravestones are still blah at best. A few RIP ExGFX tiles would do it good.
HyperLamer Posts: 5388/8210	Hm. You don't appear to have used the top half of the background... You could use HDMA to have a moon at the top that doesn't scroll.
mikepjr Posts: 174/242	Well, it would not really be pointless really, it would help with the set up of the area, actualy that is something i may do in my hack. And actualy i have already done something like that but it was a sun rather then a moon. But it is up to you.
Alastor the Stylish Posts: 6766/7620	Becaues it'd immediately scroll off the screen and be pointless
mikepjr Posts: 172/242	The tombstones look bland and could use something of a pattern at the very least, that is if not anything writen. As it is they look like just odd misshapen rocks. Why not just put R.I.P on them? Nothing else looks bad, but some kind of dark cloudyness would help the background big time. These are just sudgestion by the way and ofcource you do not have to do them. As for a moon, why not at the begining of the level just put it on the forground and have it look as if it was in the background?
Alastor the Stylish Posts: 6764/7620	Overworld: That's because I didn't want to clumsily put up several screenshots detailing every change. The general message I was trying to convey is "Things have been improved." You can also see a differently worked ladder. Cemetary: Yeah, the poles and statues are in the background (same as the forest ground you keep mentioning), while the tombstones are foreground. As for a moon in the background... That would be really, really awkward, since... It would keep scrolling around over and over again and give the impression that there's several moons there.
Keikonium Posts: 1449/-2459	For the main overworld shot, mainly all I see changed is the path palette. It looks better tho. Good job. For the graveyard, I like the poles that you put up with the statues. The koopa one looks kinda weird sitting there. I know there is a pole, but it just looks odd. Question: Are the poles BG, and the tombstones FG? If so, then if its a moving BG, ignore my comment about the koopa. The forest ground that is by the tombstones still looks bad. Try using some custom graphics for it, and make it look better please. I like the grass ground with a dark palette tho. It actaully looks very good. Maby some custom GFX would look better, but I don't really know what you could come up with. And since it's a graveyard....maby some bones? Just a thought. A moon would look fuckin awesome in the BG tho...Oh, and mist might be a nice effect. Good job, lookin forward to any sort of test. Demo or final release. Keep up the good work.
Alastor the Stylish Posts: 6762/7620	So this is what I have for the background so far. (I was bored, so I moved up the schedule. Heh.) Same poles and ground, but the tombstones are removed, and there's a statue at the top of each of the poles. Those that are pictured are all that are there. It does look a little barren, so I'll likely add a few dark clouds here and there. As for the foreground... Tombstones... I don't know what to do with them, as I said earlier. They're better than they started as but not as good as I'd like. The ground, for the time being, is the typical grass graphics with a dark, lifeless palette. Depending on the response I get, I'll leave it as it is or try something else - I actually kinda like it, but as you may have guessed, my ego prevents me from properly judging my own work.
Koneko Posts: 20/256	Mmmm... the wonderful feeling when you no longer need to vomit... mmmm... slaps self This is much better! I realize I haven't commented on this before, but it seems to have gone from being a first-aid device to awesomeness! I wish I had more to say but my opinions have already been stated. Just one thing about the newest screen: That thin mountain in the upper-left has a weird-looking peak... I'm probably imagining it though, so don't worry about it. It's really nice to see a hack from the master critic himself! Now don't screw up, k?
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