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Ben rhymes with ???
Posts: 14/69 |
I've always thought the 'format c:' gag to be a bit lame. Whenever I read it I'm reminded of an old school friend who used to make pipe-bombs and claimed that he could kill you by applying pressure to your 'pressure point'. |
HyperLamer
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Originally posted by Dwedit
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Many Flash users need to be tortured and killed. Specifically, these offenses (ordered from least to most torture):
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-Entire sites in Flash
...With no HTML version
Oh my god! You want to kill The Brothers Chaps! Strong bad wouldn't like that.
Well alright, sites designed only to show off Flash content are exempt (be pretty stupid to go to one without it)... but HTML versions would still be a good thing to have. I, for one, have all Flash blocked until it's requested (via link  ) so sites like that can be a pain to use. |
MathOnNapkins
Posts: 1955/2189 |
If you want a good microsoft product, try Visual Studio 6.0. Me rikey very much. Though, I'm aware of its limitations, mind you. It seems to be the most stable thing they've ever made. |
Dwedit
Posts: 54/92 |
Originally posted by HyperHacker
Many Flash users need to be tortured and killed. Specifically, these offenses (ordered from least to most torture):
...
-Entire sites in Flash
...With no HTML version
Oh my god! You want to kill The Brothers Chaps! Strong bad wouldn't like that. |
Tarale
Posts: 2026/2720 |
I'm going to disagree -- not all Microsoft products are terrible. But it all comes down to personal preference in the end. I know several hundred people who swear by Microsoft Word.  (And I know several of my colleagues -- support staff -- who swear BECAUSE of Microsoft Word)
Anyways, I agree with a few of the things that that guy has said, but not everything. I think there are probably appropriate uses for a lot of things he's mentioned -- problem is, not all that many people use things appropriately  |
phadedlife
Posts: 7/12 |
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Eric Raymond is very biased against Microsoft, if you couldn't tell.
Probably because Microsoft products are terrible. |
HyperLamer
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Pretty harsh, but mostly right. There are appropriate uses for <marquee> and animation though.  Possibly even <blink>; I can't think of one but surely it exists. People just use them badly.
One thing he barely touched on, though, that needs a lot more attention - Flash. Many Flash users need to be tortured and killed. Specifically, these offenses (ordered from least to most torture):
-Flash intros
...That you can't skip
...With sound
-Flash navigation bars
...With no HTML version
-Entire sites in Flash
...With no HTML version
-Flash ads
This also reminds me of one site I came across on Google. It managed to semi-crash Firefox (not actually crashed, but it thought it was ) by using about 10,000 different animated GIFs (many off-site), a few megabytes of CSS, and every combination of font sizes and colours imaginable. The entire page must have been 10 MB or so, it stretched on for MILES, and not to mention, a whopping 47 'random site wants to set a cookie' prompts. The worst part is, this wasn't one of those pages meant to crash browsers - it was a real attempt at a good web page.  I think it was something along the lines of sinisterfonts.com if anyone wants to look, but watch it.
[Disclaimer: I'm probably exaggerating a bit, my memory sucks. ]
FreeDOS
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Eric Raymond is very biased against Microsoft, if you couldn't tell. |
windwaker
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Hah, everything on that site rocks.
Especially that. |
Sandy53215
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Thats actually a pretty accurate list. I like it. I am currently working on my main page for my site currently too. So this kinda helps out but overall I like the way its turning out. |
FreeDOS
Posts: 1408/1657 |
ESR's page on HTML Hell
A lot of people should read this. I'm not accusing anyone in particular, mind you. All of this you'd think should be common sense, but to some it isn't ... 
Interesting read even if you know you have a tidy page. |
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