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Colin
Posts: 7667/11302 |
I doubt that Sony delayed it simply because of this.  They could have simply not announced Dual Shock and not raise any eyebrows. (Plus it would be a pretty weak excuse, although they had all month to have a conference.) |
Emptyeye
Posts: 1617/2273 |
Originally posted by Colin
Bet you the previous seven years was full of nice requests to license the technology... followed by terse requests... followed by pricing... followed by angry letters... followed by this. Very slow process if you're a patient set of folks.
Also, don't forget that the original Dual Shock didn't come out until well after the initial PS's release (At least in the States), so it was probably not seven years at all. |
Kirby PopStar
Posts: 368/431 |
I wonder what kind of effect this will have on the next generation PlayStation console? Maybe the DualShock 3 will just be the Dual 3, if you get what I mean.  Not likely, but if it's wireless as well, they might actually consider it. (Ditching the rumble, that is.) Who knows. I don't think I'd miss the rumble in my controller TOO much...
In other news... Sony delayed the press meeting at which they were going to reveal the PS3. It should have been tomorrow if everything went as planned, but maybe this whole fiasco has impacted it? Just merely speculation on my part. It's not like I can't just wait 47 more days to find out about it anyway.  |
Colin
Posts: 7644/11302 |
Bet you the previous seven years was full of nice requests to license the technology... followed by terse requests... followed by pricing... followed by angry letters... followed by this. Very slow process if you're a patient set of folks. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3418/5458 |
It stands to reason that the trial took TEN YEARS. That is too fucking long for deliberations on something as easy as infringement and piracy. The court process wasn't started ten years ago. It was probably entered into the systems within the last two to five years. At that point, it would still be a lengthy bunch of hearings. Standing into that, there were quicker venues to go by (various US trade agencies will do the dirty work if it comes to that). It is fishy that they waited this long.
3 years really
The simple fact is that they waited 7 years to levy charges is beyond me. It is rather silly what happened. There hasn't been a lengthy legal process, it is a drawn out court case that is being convuluted by the basic problems with this case. First off, internal trade disputes between American companies is kind of hard to work with. Because of internal laws doing protection of their own companies, SOA is a big problem. Owned by a multi-national coporation based in Japan, but held by American stock holders. Plus, it probably took a year to get this into a court hearing. Then the past two years have been deliberations and constant trials. And since trade law/copyright law/corporate law can become drawn out affairs...The appeal is going to save the PS2's ass |
Fyxe
Posts: 959/1160 |
As has already been said, it didn't take them ten years, this is just the result of a long legal process (and legal processes when it comes to copyrights and technical documents and blah blah go on a loooong time). |
Chronosphere-X
Posts: 74/268 |
Umm...Whats 'patent infringement'. From what I'm reading from you lot its something to do with the copyright of vibration in sonys controllers. I also find it stupid, after 10 years they decide to do it. |
Colin
Posts: 7634/11302 |
Nintendo licensed, Microsoft settled, Sony got the shaft. Based on articles I read, that sums up the entire issue quite nicely. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3417/5458 |
Thanks for clearing that up, and sorry |
Kirby PopStar
Posts: 365/431 |
You're reading what I typed all wrong! I didn't mean it was typical of Microsoft, I just meant it was typical business fare. Like... "That's fine, Microsoft just took the route of paying the company". Which is why I said "poor Sony". I don't think Microsoft did anything wrong, but Sony who isn't in a position to pay these people is getting screwed.
It didn't take the firm 10 years to realize it. Like I said, the results of the law suit are only coming into fruition now. |
neotransotaku
Posts: 2832/4016 |
I can't think of any large company NOT doing what Microsoft did. Ethically, it's probably wrong but business operates differently than how we interact with each other. What Microsoft did was smart since there was practially no publicity over it and the other dealings. If you can give me one company that won't pay people off when something bad is going to happen, then you win... |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3413/5458 |
Originally posted by Kirby PopStarMicrosoft just payed them off. Typical.
...Wow. I'm not going to flame you, but I'm going to explain something to you.
In business, people have to buy and sell commodities. In the same way that Microsoft purchased technology and fast tracked their system (which has saved them money over all and allowed them to stay int he market). Nintendo decided to "develop" the technology. Guess what? Nintendo just paid those people off. Typical.
Yawn. |
neotransotaku
Posts: 2826/4016 |
I also do find it funny that it took one firm about 10 years to realize their technology was "stolen." My question is how can montetary losses be repaid? I mean, suppose Sony did license the technology to begin with? I would think Sony would given them a lump sum far less than $90 million and that's it. In addition, it could also be the case the Sony developed the technology independently, which I think will be more of the case.
also, I wonder how Immersion Corp is doing--i think they are desperate... |
Kario
Posts: 1608/2082 |
You have to consider looking at this in a business sense. You say its too late to take Dual Shock games and controllers off the Market, but they can pull all of the new ones and stop production. |
Kirby PopStar
Posts: 363/431 |
Originally posted by Ziffski
So...They wait until NOW to launch the lawsuit. This...I don't know. Decade long wait is probably going to hurt their case.
They launched it a while ago, years ago even, it's results are just coming into fruition now.
Nintendo got the rights to "Rumble" back when they bundled the first Rumble Pak with StarFox 64. Microsoft just payed them off. Typical. And, finally, poor Sony is the one getting hit. And hard. 
I doubt they'll have to take the PlayStation games with Dual Shock and Dual Shock controllers of the market though, it's too late for that. Maybe the PS3 will just have controllers that do not have a rumble feature. I don't think this would be such a BIG deal, honestly. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3412/5458 |
Originally posted by Apophis
Originally posted by Ziffski
So...They wait until NOW to launch the lawsuit. This...I don't know. Decade long wait is probably going to hurt their case.
If you paid attention to the article carefully, you know that they already won their case. That is why Sony is appealing.
Yes in law issues like this are brought up in the appeals court. That's why I said it |
Colin
Posts: 7620/11302 |
And by the time the appeal goes through, the ban might prove to be a moot point - unless, of course, Sony keeps using the same bloody technology for the PS3.  That would be a smart move. *rolls eyes* |
Apophis
Posts: 402/882 |
Originally posted by Ziffski
So...They wait until NOW to launch the lawsuit. This...I don't know. Decade long wait is probably going to hurt their case.
If you paid attention to the article carefully, you know that they already won their case. That is why Sony is appealing. |
Emptyeye
Posts: 1610/2273 |
I've read the ban on sales won't actually take effect until after Sony's appeal.
Still, very interesting to say the least. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3406/5458 |
So...They wait until NOW to launch the lawsuit. This...I don't know. Decade long wait is probably going to hurt their case. |
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