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Ailure
Posts: 8771/11162 |
Originally posted by Ziffski
But is enough being done with these new fuel sources? Fusion reactions are great! On a gigantic scale. It is too pricey to stick a fusion reactor into every car. The bigger movement that I'd like to see is something called 'public transportation'. Save the environment, lessen your wallet. Works both ways. Given the advent of cheaper, more efficient alt-fuels. We could see a complete change in transportation.
Public transportation is good, if it's done right. The public transportation is good around here, but I have heard horror stories about how bad it is over in US.
There is enough oil, but the thing is... well. That other oil is more expensive and oil could as well turn to be the most expensive way to run cars on. And we can't continue with fossil fuels as dirty they are... ._.
Grey: That was intresting, cheap solar power... that's probably is not a alternative in Sweden thought where it's rather not so light on half of the year. And it dosen't matter if it would take alot of area, they could always build it in vast deserts. 
I wish they did increase the funding on nuclear power all over the world, I know that they do build new nuclear plants in asian countries (such as japan) and they built a nuclear plant in finland recently... ironcally who's power who get's imported by Sweden. (what are the politicians on? Build or own. -.- |
Kefka
Posts: 2608/3392 |
I swear that Bush publically announced (or bullshitted) that he was going to support and fund research of hydrogen power... |
windwaker
Posts: 1330/1797 |
No, they would tell us. There's no reason for it to be kept secret. Especially knowing our president, who wouldn't say that our funds are being used to benefit us in the future when there aren't any more third world countries to liberate, or Alaskas to demolish. |
HGanon
Posts: 19/59 |
That's the thing. No one knows what's going on. If the government is working on an alternative fuel(which they probably are), then it's probably something that right now needs to be kept a secret. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3311/5458 |
American market collapse. Given the current trends of the gov't it is pretty much imminent.
But is enough being done with these new fuel sources? Fusion reactions are great! On a gigantic scale. It is too pricey to stick a fusion reactor into every car. The bigger movement that I'd like to see is something called 'public transportation'. Save the environment, lessen your wallet. Works both ways. Given the advent of cheaper, more efficient alt-fuels. We could see a complete change in transportation. |
windwaker
Posts: 1329/1797 |
Again... people are forgetting the fact that we're digging in a part of Alaska that was protected for a reason... to help save the wildlife. |
HGanon
Posts: 18/59 |
We are researching alternative fuels. Up in MIT they're studying fusion reactions, a great source of energy. Who knows, maybe the government really does have something else.
'Market Collapse'? What are you talking about? |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3309/5458 |
As much as I hate to say it, it's called strategic tapping. Rather than go gungho and overdevelop now, make smaller operations in the ANWAR. It keeps the environ a little cleaner and makes the resource last a lot longer. Then, pour more money into something called "research" to find alternative fuels. Hell, if America uses it's economic/diplomatic muscle, it could effectively control the future of automotives. But given the market collapse that is bound to happen in North America soon, sooner is better than later. |
HGanon
Posts: 17/59 |
Well then, what do all you suggest? |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3308/5458 |
Originally posted by HGanon
I just said "By the time it runs out" there will be a solution . It's not gonna run out for over a century at least.
Based on current consumption rates, I heard a "conservative" estimate being placed at a 10-15 years life. More realistically, a 50 year life limit. If dependency doesn't peak and fall by the time ANWAR is done, then that "solution" won't be around. Long term planning > short-sighted harmful choices. |
Tamarin Calanis
Posts: 388/1802 |
It sounds like you think a solution's just gonna magically appear before we need it.
And that is laughable. Of course, if that's not what you think, then be a little more clear on what you do think. You're not saying very much.
Edit: When I said "With that, I'm out."... yeah, I kinda lied. |
HGanon
Posts: 16/59 |
I just said "By the time it runs out" there will be a solution . It's not gonna run out for over a century at least. |
Tamarin Calanis
Posts: 386/1802 |
"there'll be a way around it"
Not if people just keep ignoring the fact that oil will run out. Then no one will think about a "way around it" until we need it, and by then it'll be too late.
And with that, I'm out. |
HGanon
Posts: 15/59 |
Well of course the oil's going to run out. It takes something like this to get you complaining?
But seriously, oil is reproducable. Oil is created from fossils of plants. And in WW2 the Germans successfuly created oil-then the formula got destroyed. Plus, look at the oil fields in Iraq. Saddam set fire to them twice in the past 10 years, and they're still full of oil. Oil doesn't run out that quickly.
Just don't worry, there's more than enough oil out there, and by the time it runs out-if it does- there'll be a way around it. |
Kefka
Posts: 2605/3392 |
This wouldn't be happening so easily if the proposal had been to drill in Yosemite. 51 senators apparently don't give a shit about Alaska. Probably the 2 of the Republican senators that voted against it were from Alaska ... so that's about it... damn... |
windwaker
Posts: 1321/1797 |
That is a fact. But the oil is going to run out anyway. Our government's taking the easy way out by drilling for oil, rather than preparing for when all of the oil's gone.
And again, it's in a wildlife reserve, which deters from the beauty of Alaska. |
HGanon
Posts: 14/59 |
Originally posted by windwaker
Are you serious? XD
If you don't know what's wrong with it, then there's something wrong with you.
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Scuze me.
I'm not gonna get into the whole 'amount of oil left' arguement, but since we'd be drilling in our own country, we'd be saving billions in not buying it from others.
Does't anyone care about that? |
windwaker
Posts: 1320/1797 |
Are you serious? XD
If you don't know what's wrong with it, then there's something wrong with you.
There isn't enough oil on Earth forever, or even the next century. Digging for it, IN WILDLIFE RESERVATIONS, will just prolong our dependancy on it, until the rich idiots running our government die, leaving their children to replace oil with electricity. |
HGanon
Posts: 13/59 |
ANWAR? What's that? Is this about drilling in Alaska? If so, then what's so bad about that? |
Grey the Stampede
Posts: 1991/3770 |
Originally posted by Dracoon
Bleh, lets see what I can pull up here...
With constant technological developement and more than enough idealist, this won't cause a problem. This will be stopping a long term problem for a short time, so something else can stop the problem soon after. Yes polar bears will suffer, if we completely destroy their habitat, but just cause we can, doesn't me we will. We will probably make reservations and everything, and if someone could give me a link to the bill it would help a hell of a lot more than me trying to pull stuff out of my ass.
I officially declare Dracoon the winner of this debate. |
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