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HyperLamer
Posts: 4140/8210 |
The whole 'coding for multiple browsers' thing is simple. I write standard HTML, if your browser can't render it right, there's a link at the bottom of my site's main page where you can get a better one. (And no, on the next update which it's desparately in need of but probably won't see for a while, that won't link to Mozilla; rather, the same link at the bottom of the board.)
Originally posted by FreeDOS
They've said IE7 will have tabbed browsing and a re-done configuration dialog
Again? This is one of the things I hate about IE and Windows in general. Every new version has all the dialogs completely rearranged, so you have to find everything all over again.  |
Ailure
Posts: 9232/11162 |
And that's what the W3C standards are for.
...Firefox seems to compete more after following the standards than messing up the others.  |
BMF98567
Posts: 759/1261 |
Originally posted by Ailure
Ah well, I might say. If this is return of the browser wars where each browser adds new HTML tags that dosen't follow the W3C standards... -.-;;; Oh well, some competition can only be good for the consumers right?
NO.
If browsers are going to compete, let them compete over secondary functions like interface options and ease of use. The primary function--proper, standards-compliant HTML rendering--must remain intact. Nobody wants to code for 15 different browsers. |
Tarale
Posts: 1676/2720 |
Originally posted by FreeDOS
Why was this quite old topic bumped? 
Youd have to ask Wario21692, he bumped it. 
Anyways on the spyware -- the lusers I work for work in a corporate environment where KaZaA, etc generally aren't used. They're blocked at the firewall, for starters, and I don't think the users even know what they are / how to use them. Yet we get a lot of spyware... HotBar is a fan favorite around my work |
Ran-chan
Posts: 8925/12781 |
Just because they update IE it doesn |
Ailure
Posts: 9221/11162 |
Originally posted by ||bass
Need I remind everyone that IE is a free product, and atleast for windows users, its difficult to impossible to actually uninstall IE.
Hmm, good that you said "atleast for Windows users." Since the IE for Windows License state that you much have a Windows license. Which make it illegal to run in Linux with WINE, unless you actually do own a Windows license.
I have no reason to even use IE in Linux, while I am a Firefox user I would rather take Opera/Konquerer before IE.
Ah well, I might say. If this is return of the browser wars where each browser adds new HTML tags that dosen't follow the W3C standards... -.-;;; Oh well, some competition can only be good for the consumers right?
IE7 wouldn't be a good reason to buy Longhorn if they kept with the orginal plans. With the lack of WinFS, is there really anything in Longhorn that is intresting enough to buy it? (well, apart from the fact that they probably will abonden WinXP is some point in the future)
I probably would install IE7 to the latest version when it get's released, but I doubt I use it. |
FreeDOS
Posts: 1344/1657 |
Why was this quite old topic bumped?
anyway . . .
Security: Most likely
Usability: They've said IE7 will have tabbed browsing and a re-done configuration dialog
Standards: Microsoft has not given a hint yet that they will... so it's unlikely.
Spyware: It really doesn't matter. AIM, Kazaa, and the rest do that anyway. |
Tarale
Posts: 1673/2720 |
Personally, I welcome an update to IE.
I hope that it brings with it some security and usability updates. I hope that it adheres to standards better.
I also hope that the alternative browsers continue to innovate and continue to win loyal users.
I hope that this leads to competition, which in turn leads to further innovation.
Plus, I also hope that an update to IE might stop the lusers I work for getting their computer spywared to hell and back. |
Jesper
Posts: 2369/2390 |
Originally posted by BMF54123
Yay...a new IE, a new truckload of security holes. They might as well just call it "HEY KIDS! DOWNLOAD ME IF YOU LIKE GETTING 0WNED!"
I don't even want to know how many proprietary new "features" this is gonna have, just to further break websites' compatibility with standards-compliant browsers.
"But Microsoft is leaning toward adding some additional CSS2 support to IE 7.0, but not embracing the standard in its entirety, partners say."
Mmhmm. And the tradition of coding for multiple browsers continues...
The new "proprietary features" are already known; it's mostly Avalon.
I code for standards, which includes IE... if you're using about half of the second to most recent standard, that is. I don't particularly like it, but it doesn't mean I can't use the common ground to build a decent foundation, then make things nicer for competent, recent browsers. (I absolutely hate that they "won't be supporting" all of CSS2... but three months ago, IE7 would only be out for Longhorn and they didn't tout it at all. They're listening, and I can only hope that they do decide to change their mind on CSS2 as well, even if they claim to be listening to "enterprise IT manager professionals" (e.g. mostly ignorant dipshits) instead of developers.)
Seriously, however... stop the flaming. We've been waiting for four years for an update to it. It's not going to be any worse than IE6, at any rate. I'm certainly not expecting Microsoft to do above average, or fill all the security holes, or not plug Avalon for all it's worth, or not act as if they just invented tabbed browsing. But I'm not being a cynical ass for the hell of it when we've all asked ourselves why they've stopped updating IE. |
Phoenix21692
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Originally posted by FreeDOS
98lite does that with Windows 98. Although you have to pay for it
There's another program called Revenge of Mozilla II that works in a similar manner. |
MetalMan88
Posts: 86/232 |
Ah yes... IE. I would uninstall it immediately myself, but I have a problem that may be a little off-topic: How do I hide all the icons from my desktop after doing so? Since Activedesktop is what I use to set the 'hide all icons' thing. Otherwise, yes, I hate IE. It still attempts to keep itself as the top browser on my computer, even though I only use Firefox.
Dang it, I almost posted a topic instead of a reply.  |
HyperLamer
Posts: 3791/8210 |
Originally posted by FreeDOS
No, you don't. As of the current Auto-Update in 2000, XP, and Server 2003, it is 100% independent of Internet Explorer. In other words, you can still get updates from Microsoft without IE.
That's only auto-update though, isn't it? If you wanted to update manually you'd still have to use IE or download and install them all manually. I had to disable auto-update after M$ made the brilliant decision to force-install SP2 with it. Figure out a way to make it not crash my computer, and then we'll see.
Also I think there's a Mozilla-based HTML renderer available... I imagine the users would need at least part of Mozilla installed for it to work, but if you must avoid using IE entirely, you could include the required files in your installer. Just seems like a bit of a waste when they probably already have the IE one installed, unless it really needs the added security. (If it's just going to be used to view local HTML files or your own web site, IE wouldn't be all that bad a choice...  ) |
FreeDOS
Posts: 1261/1657 |
98lite does that with Windows 98. Although you have to pay for it |
RT-55J
Posts: 19/240 |
I have the urge to delete IE from my comp with Windoze 98. |
FreeDOS
Posts: 1257/1657 |
No, you don't. As of the current Auto-Update in 2000, XP, and Server 2003, it is 100% independent of Internet Explorer. In other words, you can still get updates from Microsoft without IE.
I wouldn't doubt that using HTML objects in .NET would break without IE. Delphi uses IE unless you make your own. |
||bass
Posts: 236/817 |
Need I mention windows update.
Also, anyone who wants to use the html rendering object in .Net will probably find it not work if IE is removed (someone please confirm this). |
HyperLamer
Posts: 3764/8210 |
A lot of Windows programs depend on IE, actually. One such example being the activation system. My install CD somehow has IE missing some important files, and nothing really works until I re-install them. |
BMF98567
Posts: 692/1261 |
Yay...a new IE, a new truckload of security holes. They might as well just call it "HEY KIDS! DOWNLOAD ME IF YOU LIKE GETTING 0WNED!"
I don't even want to know how many proprietary new "features" this is gonna have, just to further break websites' compatibility with standards-compliant browsers.
"But Microsoft is leaning toward adding some additional CSS2 support to IE 7.0, but not embracing the standard in its entirety, partners say."
Mmhmm. And the tradition of coding for multiple browsers continues... |
FreeDOS
Posts: 1251/1657 |
"functionality" ... pfft. I didn't lose much. I just lost IE. Like it matters. I remind you that Active Desktop is Internet Explorer, I've told you before. There's not much to compare it to... but say you removed Mozilla; don't go complaining that you can't use Mozilla anymore. |
HyperLamer
Posts: 3746/8210 |
It's possible, yes, but you lose a lot of functionality. I gotta have my Active Desktop... and for that matter, IE itself for testing layouts and page designs. It'd be nice if they made some major security updates (bringing the security level up to somewhere around "total crap"  ) though. I hate when I go to use someone else's computer and it's full of spyware, and having to teach people who use my computer (not that it happens a lot) how to use Firefox and them asking what's so bad about IE and not believing my answers.
Really though, Firefox already has everything I like about IE. Smooth scrolling and a popup image toolbar! |
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