Acmlm's Board - I2 Archive - Super Mario World hacking - Hidden SMW (screenshots, maybe spoilers)
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Magikoopa Myster
Posts: 75/553 |
This hack...looks...pretty good! When r ya planning on releasing it? |
PumpkinPie
Posts: 73/1158 |
Originally posted by Schwa
And by the way, CheesePie, you need to finish the battle you started in the Sim-Battle Arena labeled "Everyone vs. Killer Beast". I responded to that and have been waiting for you to continue it...
Yeah, I was thinking about waiting a week or a little less for people to join. I guess that could have been time better spent 
Originally posted by Schwa
Don't expect attention and you'll do better here.
...If I had seen more topics with demos (not discontinued ones) that got as few replies as mine did, I'd have kept quiet. Because it would have been normal. Only mine was an exception. I think I had a reson to be peeved. But I've cooled off now; I know that when my final version is out, it'll blow everyone away.
BUT ENOUGH OF THIS! This topic is about your game. I didn't want to take things this far. |
HyperLamer
Posts: 3773/8210 |
XK does have a point, though. Using .BMPs for screenshots is like using a minivan as a paperweight. It'll do the job, but it's WAY TOO BIG! |
Juggling Joker
Posts: 621/1033 |
Let's try to keep the angry bickering on the downlow, please. If not, my modding finger has been itching recently.
Now then, to clear up at least my own opinion on the matter.
New graphics are not at all a necessity to making a good hack, no matter what the game. I have played and enjoyed level or map hacks only in many different games and genres (SMW included). Having said that, however, new graphics that are done well can enhance the appeal of a hack. Use your own judgment when deciding what you want in your hack.
Also, if your thread isn't getting a lot of replies this is by no means a judgment of your skill as a hacker. Theme and execution are two different things, you can have one without the other. I have had many threads flop with under 10 posts, even if they're completely new content. It happens, big deal. |
Schwa
Posts: 1199/2214 |
Hey, as I said before, no such thing as a bad hack. There may be a hack that's not worthwhile to play, but BAD... I don't think so. That's because the concept of redesigning what Nintendo itself has given us is amazing itself. Your hack is DEFINITELY a worthwile creation. So is mine. In different ways, yes, but both equally good.
That doesn't mean you can throw a pity-party with your comment "Judging things, no matter what I say I'm going to come out being hated more because I seem to be misinterpreted left and right". Hey man, I'm not getting into a flamer war with you, and I'm definitely not about to do the Mod's job either, but my advice is wise; don't expect attention and you'll do better here. Just tryin' to help.
And XKeeper, for God's sake, no flaming! Even if you're PO'd! I can't promise you to use PNG's, but there's really no use griping about it.
P.S. Guys, I'm sorry for all this. I seem to be attracting a lot of negative conflict with this thread. Can't we all just get along? Please?
Edit: And by the way, CheesePie, you need to finish the battle you started in the Sim-Battle Arena labeled "Everyone vs. Killer Beast". I responded to that and have been waiting for you to continue it... |
PumpkinPie
Posts: 71/1158 |
I know. I was pissed because my topic only had 10 replies, alot of them by me. I actually appreciated your comment. |
Xkeeper 2.0
Posts: 252/1091 |
Originally posted by CheesePie
...Dammit, I'm going with Pheonix on this one, just because I've felt the same exact thing. You people see a few screenshots, and you're all like *wow* *Aweseome* *I can't wait!!!*, but you don't even know what it's like! I posted my hack like 2 weeks ago or something, and it got LITTLE OR NO REPLIES. 10 I think, almost half by me. Someone said the graphics weren't good enough. THAT WAS ABOUT IT. But now---YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT GRAPHICS?!?! WHAA-?! Are these excellent comments solely based upon Schwa's reputation?! I very much agree with Glyph. I would like to know what makes someone not give a damn about one hack and salivate over the other. He put his heart and soul into this, you might say? Well so did I! (into mine) So don't counter with that kind of thing! What IS it with you guys?!
Fumes angrily
Sorry Schwa, I actually do like you, you're cool, it's only bad luck that your hack had to be an example. It could have been any other hack, actually. I wasn't going against YOU, I was going against the agrivating irony and unfair...ness of EVERYONE ELSE.
So there, I'm sticking up for Glyph. He's the only one here who thought with a mind of his own. In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if half of the people who posted: "This hack looks great!" only did so to boost their post count or fit in. He was kind of harsh, but dangit, do you just expect everyone else to go along and say you're doing great? He was entitled to his opinion, as am I.
I just said that you needed to make more use of the SNES palette. I didn't say they looked bad, but just... plain for a SNES game =\ |
PumpkinPie
Posts: 70/1158 |
Originally posted by Schwa
You seemed to have made some creative levels too, but to me it seems like your hack focuses on edited graphics more than anything else. (Correct me if that's wrong.) And that's not a good idea.
Buh - really? How did you get that idea? I'm - I'm completely surprised. I didn't really care about graphics in my hack. I just did what I could to get by, and I wouldn't consider myself that good at graphics editing. I don't have a problem with ExGFX or no ExGFX; either way is fine for me, and I totally agree that level design is what matters. Again, I'm not really directing this at you, Schwa, but everyone else who gave a reveiw. I was just sticking up for someone who spoke their mind with justified anger, and I'm just kinda peeved at what the crowd threw at me (nothing). Judging things, no matter what I say I'm going to come out being hated more because I seem to be misinterpreted left and right. Therefore I will shut up. |
Glyph Phoenix
Posts: 110/745 |
I would like to clarify something. Schwa, your hack may be good. Your hack may be great. But with no original graphics or neat level designs viewable through the screenshots, we don't have nearly enough evidence to support that. It's not whether or not your hack is bad I have a problem with, it's whether or not we have enough from the screenshots to support that. And I don't think we do. |
Xkeeper 2.0
Posts: 251/1091 |
Actually, I prefer GIFs if the screenshot doesn't have dark BG/transparency enabled. Sure, the difference is small... but if you upload enough it adds up. |
Xkeeper
Posts: -2350/-863 |
Excuse the insults but I'mg etting fed up with all of you lazy shitheads who can't push a few buttons. Really, save yourself a lot of bandwidth and upload time. USE. FUCKING. PNGS.
11:38'21"> Xkeeper: I hope this gets the message through
11:38'21"> Xkeeper: http://sthick.cymoro.com/upload/dumbass.jpg
11:39'11"> Jesper: subtle
11:39'17"> Xkeeper: yes. very. |
Schwa
Posts: 1198/2214 |
Actually, I don't expect everyone to say my hack is great. That's just what happened. In fact, when I first started hacking this game, I was afraid that nobody would like it. The truth is I respect my critics more than my followers, because in a way they are like my rivals, and in that way they're SORT OF like enemies, and I respect my enemies most of all. But don't take this the wrong way, people; Critics are NOT enemies! They're our friends! Without them, our hacks could not improve.
To answer your problem, CheesePie, remember that everyone likes something different. I think the ABSOLUTE most important thing in a hack is creativity, and, looking at your screenshots, I daresay (don't take this as flaming, it's not) that your hack didn't tend to step out of the box a whole lot. Graphic editing is good, but it's only a tiny fraction of what's important, which brings me to the 2nd most inportant thing in a hack: gameplay. Level design is a HUGE part of hacking. You seemed to have made some creative levels too, but to me it seems like your hack focuses on edited graphics more than anything else. (Correct me if that's wrong.) And that's not a good idea.
Guys, there is no such thing as a hack that's "better" than another's. When this hack is out, a lot of you may like it, but SOME of you (like Pheonix and CheesePie) will continue to like other hacks better. And that explains it! What's "good" in a hack is completely opinionated. I say creativity and level design, but remember that those are just my opinions. I say my hack is excellent, but that too is an opinion. Please guys, I don't want any wars started over Rom Hacking. The fact is, we're all a family. As a family, we support each-other and make each-other feel appreciated. I want things to continue this way forever, letting no grudges hinder us.
Okay... Now that I've defended myself, CheesePie, if you have anything else to say I would gladly await hearing it from you. 
Edit: Jesus, XKeeper, chill! Don't be so sensitive to bitmaps, you'll hurt their feelings. >.< |
Xkeeper
Posts: -2352/-863 |
STOP USING .BMPS |
PumpkinPie
Posts: 69/1158 |
...Dammit, I'm going with Pheonix on this one, just because I've felt the same exact thing. You people see a few screenshots, and you're all like *wow* *Aweseome* *I can't wait!!!*, but you don't even know what it's like! I posted my hack like 2 weeks ago or something, and it got LITTLE OR NO REPLIES. 10 I think, almost half by me. Someone said the graphics weren't good enough. THAT WAS ABOUT IT. But now---YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT GRAPHICS?!?! WHAA-?! Are these excellent comments solely based upon Schwa's reputation?! I very much agree with Glyph. I would like to know what makes someone not give a damn about one hack and salivate over the other. He put his heart and soul into this, you might say? Well so did I! (into mine) So don't counter with that kind of thing! What IS it with you guys?!
Fumes angrily
Sorry Schwa, I actually do like you, you're cool, it's only bad luck that your hack had to be an example. It could have been any other hack, actually. I wasn't going against YOU, I was going against the agrivating irony and unfair...ness of EVERYONE ELSE.
So there, I'm sticking up for Glyph. He's the only one here who thought with a mind of his own. In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if half of the people who posted: "This hack looks great!" only did so to boost their post count or fit in. He was kind of harsh, but dangit, do you just expect everyone else to go along and say you're doing great? He was entitled to his opinion, as am I. |
Schwa
Posts: 1197/2214 |
What people are seeing isn't the hack itself, they're seeing the devotion I'm putting into it. What makes a hack good is how much heart and soul you put into it. I mean, with Lunar Magic's easy to use features, ANYONE can make a hack... but not everyone can become one with their creation. What that means is, there are people out there that are so close with their creative side you could say they're a part of their hack. That's me, baby!  |
Sketchie
Posts: 64/356 |
Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix
No, I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just haven't seen or read anything in this hack that looks even the least bit impressive, yet everyone's going on about it like it's Super Mario Odyssey! I just honestly want to know why everyone's saying this hack is so great, because I just don't see it.
Sometimes oldschool graphics are nice to use every once in a while, if they are used creatively and skillfully. I guess he actually captured many hearts by his creative placement and usage of oldschool GFx.
Sure, some people would rather use the new GFx, but there are people that perfers oldschool GFx, and there are people (like me) that likes either one, but a hack is a hack, isn't it?
I respect your opinions and everyone else's, as everyone has their own perference. Some people just don't see it that way. =/ |
Glyph Phoenix
Posts: 105/745 |
No, I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just haven't seen or read anything in this hack that looks even the least bit impressive, yet everyone's going on about it like it's Super Mario Odyssey! I just honestly want to know why everyone's saying this hack is so great, because I just don't see it. |
Schwa
Posts: 1191/2214 |
Not to brag, but DufarC is correct about my other hacks. I made the 1st Megaman 4 hack to ever be published on the Web, I created the 1st real good Sonic the Hedgehog 1 hack, and, though I don't know the 1st thing about ASM, my heart is in it. And that's what counts.
What I say to you is, SOMEbody's going out of their way to cause trouble.  |
DurfarC
Posts: 313/483 |
Originally posted by Glyph Phoenix
The screenshots are mediocre (...)
You are the only one here who has that opinion.  Schwa may not have the best technical hacks around here, but definitely the most unique ones. You've experienced that if you've played another hacks by him. And just look at the overworlds. They're so creatively well done! |
Glyph Phoenix
Posts: 101/745 |
'Eye candy' is really one of the only things you can determine from screenshots. Yet this game has none and I have read nothing that makes this hack seem interesting or fun.
So what the hell? Why is it being recieved so well? The screenshots are mediocre and we can't tell other things such as level design until we get an actual demo. From what I've seen through screenshots and the tidbits that Schwa has told us, I can't see anything that makes this hack good at all. Yet everyone says it's awesome.
It's not like a game without original graphics will automatically have better level design and game play...
I just don't get it. |
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