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MathOnNapkins
Posts: 1676/2189 |
First of all, Michael Shiavo had given up on his wife years ago. As many as 11 years ago he thought she was a lost cause. He went through nursing school to try and help her, had doctors give her extensive therapy for those first 4 years. Now come on, if she doesn't respond then, how is she going to respond now? None of the treatments I had heard of sounded radically different from what was available 10 years ago. At best she might have been able to swallow on her own and move a few limbs. And given the duration of her state, it seems unlikely that rehabilitation would have worked after so long.
MIchael Shiavo won a suit for $1 million sueing Terry Schiavo's doctors for neglecting her potassium deficiency, which allegedly caused her cardiac arrest. So, assuming he didn't squander that money, why would he need the silly trust fund from his wife?
On the issue of it being an inhumane death: I believe it is more unnerving for loved ones, b/c the death is drawn out. The doctors recommending this method say it is painless to someone in the condition she was in. I can't really think of a humane way to kill someone. Maybe give them an extreme dosage of heroin? They'll die quite happy I guess. |
Gavin
Posts: 601/799 |
the funny thing is that there was actually already perfectly clear laws existing to handle this... as court after court affirmed the original decision that, not based on what Michael said, but on Terri's siblings that her wishes would not have been to remain alive in that state. Her will was found.. the only real issue is how much control should we really allow such a small minority of protestors to exact on our politicians who tried, unrightly, to tamper with the well defined proceedings of our law. |
neotransotaku
Posts: 2840/4016 |
well...it seems this chapter of the story has now ended and a new one begins--states are beginning to set forth legislation that will now specify what happens in this situation so that this bloody thing won't happen again--or at least, not for another while... |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3458/5458 |
rite 2 gay! |
Ran-chan
Posts: 8689/12781 |
I heard on the news that she |
iamhiro1112
Posts: 324/487 |
Actually, there was a number of medical treatments that the husband did not try. I can't remember the specifics but the parents were pleading to have him try those as they are kinda standard ways of treating patients in her condition. The parents have said that they forgive him now. I still detest the man myself but at least the girl won't suffer anymore. The husband has agreed to an autopsy which was suprising to me. Probably one of the first smart PR moves he has made. The autopsy will confirm whether or not there was a chance she could have been rehibilitated and whether she suffered in her final days. |
Cornellius
Posts: 204/460 |
It must be damn hard to say goodbye to your daughter like that ...  I hope that she will rest in peace. |
Gavin
Posts: 575/799 |
to chime in late, my brief description about why this should have never made national media like it did:
*court after court decided as a matter of fact that Terri's wishes in that situation were to have not continued living
*Florida law gave control of the situation to the husband
*Tom Delay sucks 7 cocks
*Michael chose this option after 15 years of searching medically for some or any way of giving his wife Terri back her life, and found, unfortunatly, that the situation was without hope. I'll defer to earlier comments about certain vital organs being turned to goo.
*Tom Delay sucks 7 cocks
*I sincerely doubt it was "God's will" to have a rotting corpse sitting in a bed until the rest of their body fails. If you interpret it logically, it was probably "Heaven's will" to have her die in the first place, and our intervention that played god
i rest my case. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3432/5458 |
Yes I am aware. But generally, it works in the same way. She is not using those resources because her body is working on a minimum amount of activity.
As for her parents. They are greedy people who were being quite selfish. Not cool. |
iamhiro1112
Posts: 320/487 |
Well, I was not neccesarily saying she shouldn't die, but she shouldn't be killed the way she was. It just doesn't seem like something we would do in US. It's a slow death and deserved to die with some dignity, They spend the moeny to take out criminals out humanely. Why not civilians too?
Besides, that is the most humane thing to do for the survivors. Nothing can be worst for the parents than to watch their child die slowly. How the hell can you get over something like that?
BTW Ziff, she did not die from starvation, but from Dehydration. |
alte Hexe
Posts: 3424/5458 |
...Well. She wasn't expending any calories, so the feeding tube gave her enough calories for her body to burn slowly. I thought she would die Saturday at the earliest  |
geeogree
Posts: 329/448 |
it's about time.... I'm surprised she lasted as long as she did without the feeding tube..
and I'm amazed that I agree with Tamarin.... keeping her alive is really selfish.... she should have died years ago.... instead of being the way she has been |
Tamarin Calanis
Posts: 411/1802 |
I'm glad she died. She had no chance at all of living a normal life, due to the brain damage. Consider the type of 'life' she's been living these past, what, 15 years? Put yourself in that position. Keeping her alive would be selfishness at its worst. |
iamhiro1112
Posts: 319/487 |
Yup, it was an interesting ride. I heard that someone actually put a bounty on The husbands head. The story is true, but I think the bounty was false. I don't think the person was actually gonna pay out 250,000. I heard that someone (Maybe terry schiavo's brother) is launching a internet petition to have the judge that presided over Terry's case impeached from his position. Even if the petition is filled they say it's likely nothing will happen. If I find where the petition is tho I will sign it anyway. Pretty much all I can do from where I'm at. |
Sokarhacd
Posts: 1108/1757 |
well...shes passed away now...so I guess that solves the debate of putting the feeding tube back in...not that its nice at all...and her parents couldnt even go in before, and when she died...so yeah, hes a son of a bitch. |
iamhiro1112
Posts: 296/487 |
So, are we talking about the Terry Schiavo case here? cause the link isnt working. In the Terry Schiavo case. I feel that it would be better to let her live in the parents care.
Her ex husband has stated he has moved on with his life so I dont know why he cares. Well actually, I think I do. He is entitled to insurance money when she dies. And it is said that he caused her to be in the condition she is now. X-rays taken about a year or so after she entered her current state they showed that she had bruised ribs. Signs he could have abused her. Actually, the rumour is he strangled her and brought her to this condition. Certainly now he is showing signs of being the abusive type. Look how he continues to take away whatever rights he can from her parents to see their daughter. Currently he is planning to have her cremated, but her being catholic the family feels she should be given a proper christian burial. And so far he has not announced whether the funeral will be public or private. I wouldn't be suprised if he were to privatize it and not invite the parents. He has even decided he is going to bury her ashes in HIS family burial plot, while the parents wanted to have her in their family plot where they could visit her. So he is even trying to take away their right to see their daughter after she is dead. I also seeen him being interviewed on Larry King, and most of his conduct was pretty calm and composed, but there was a moment where I could see it was clear spin and he didn't release the complete story. It was an attempt to villianize the parents to make them appear they don't care for their daughter (Which is obviously not true). His lawyer intervened tho and filled in the missing details.
Anyway, I think if she does have to go, it shouldn't of been the way she is going now. It's one thing to pull the plug on a brain dead person, cause it is a quick death. But this woman can breathe on her own. So pulling the plug isn't an option. You have to dehydrate her until she dies, which is pretty shocking to see in america. I mean, even your hardened criminals aren't taken out in that way. They get a short death (5 minute max). I'd of been a little more for her death if they had administered some sorta drug or something more humane.
In closing, Micheal Schiavo is a bastard and I'd like very much to see him taken out in the same manner he took his wife out. |
Sokarhacd
Posts: 1094/1757 |
I know they arent gonna put the feeding tube back in. but the only bad part of this is the husband who is the one that got the feeding tube taken out is getting money when she dies, so I dont think its right, and she can move her eyes, and she even screamed yesterday, so I dont think its right at all....
another thing I think is wrong is the fact that they are starving her to death, not to mention no one knows 100% if she feels it or not...so yeah...thats the bad stuff...there basically is no reason for them not to reinsert it, and they should...its been a whole week now without food or water. She deserves the right to live for fuck sakes. |
drjayphd
Posts: 922/1477 |
Exactly, Reid. The fact that a decent chunk of her brain is now SPINAL FLUID should be a sign that she is just physically incapable of living a functional life any more. Yes, the parents are in denial. But somebody needs to take them aside and explain that no, in fact, she can not survive without racks of devices, ranging from respirators to feeding tubes. Let her die with dignity.
(Oh, and she is not technically brain-dead. Her medulla oblongata still functions, which is being used as evidence to hook her up again. Then again, the tape people are using as proof is heavily edited, as I understand it, not showing that she is responding to stimuli and non-stimuli similarly.) |
Reid
Posts: 423/558 |
The US government considers Brain-dead people still alive if they are hooked to an automatic respiration machine. And he can't just give her a shot to kill her off. He has to let her die my dehydration or starvation. If he doesn't it is considered assisted suicide and he will go to jail. So if the congress does not over-rule the court judges opion and make him put the Machines back to her, she will die in about 3 or 4 days. I would pull the plug after an hour or so. I feel she is done. Her brain is basically gone. Once your brain is destroyed everything about you is gone. |
neotransotaku
Posts: 2759/4016 |
exactly...today in my paper 70% of people of the US did not approve of this action by Congress and the president. I wonder if this may be considerered unconstitutional in the future...
Ailure, I feel the exact same thing too... |
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