I had information to post... Really, I did. But, as I was typing the thread title, I somehow managed to hit post.

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I have never felt that there are too many COs.

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Posted by mriolver82908572349023574

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ill hak tihs bord dont hink i wont

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GUMMI BEARS
BOUNCING HERE AND THERE AND EVERYWHERE
HIGH ADVENTURE THAT'S BEYOND COMPARE
THEY ARE THE GUMMI BEARS

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DARKWING DUCK
When there's trouble you call D W
DARKWING DUCK
Let's get dangerous

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Oh, you haven't? Mr. Saturn gives Samus nigh-infinite recovery, 'cause she can drop it, then detonate her bombs on it and blow her and it in the same direction at roughly the same speed repeatedly, then air catch it to do other stuff.

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Eh? If you're in a smoke cloud, sure, they know where you are, but they don't know what you're doing. If they run in and try to hit you, they may alternately be hit by a projectile, or a jumping attack, or what have you. With invisibility, you see what they're doing just fine, since it's always much easier to see them when they're making an action.

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Heavy characters having moves they can't be out of... Makes them significantly, significantly better.

I approve.

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Posted by Panzer88

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You know, the best player in the world is not Japanese.

Just throwing that out there.

Also, they don't play with items.

So.

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Posted by FirePhoenix0

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You know, I don't understand why some people don't play with items. That's one of the ways Smash Bros sets itself apart from other fighting games. Does not playing with items prove that you don't needed them? Are you just reasserting yourself? I play to have fun, not win tournaments, etc. and items make the game much more fun.

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The thing is, in a tournament environment, items are disallowed for a key reason - while there is a lot of skill to be had in using items, ultimately, the random selection and placement makes the game a too swingy - that is, it can cause rapid reversals of momentum that untimately cause the better player to lose. As you can imagine, in a tournament environment, where the general object is to decide who is the better player, this sort of thing is not well-appreciated. In other places that use the same rulesets, items are also not on, as practicing with items off is better than practicing with items on when you're going to be playing in matches where items are off. Others simply find itemless matches to be more fun.

In casual matches, though, most tournament players may question item use, but will still happily play with items on. I enjoy using items, personally, though as a player who fights against mostly tournament players I do a lot of playing without items.

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Okay seriously now what item does too much damage? The only cheap items are the health restoration items, really.

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Meh, those items are always unreliable, as they always have the opportunity to cancel whatever they're doing and catch it. You have to be pretty close to nail someone with it for sure, and they have to not see it coming... But if that's the case, you're probably better off with a traditional combo.

Edit: this is the best idea I've ever seen

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Sorry fixed

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It's like xkcd except that it isn't funny

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Posted by Har D. Har Koopa

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I love pwning people using Pichu or Jiggilypuff, because most people only have experiance against people like C. Falcon, Ganondorf, Mario, Roy, Marth, ect. So they have absolutely no idea how to handle the raw speed of both characters. But, my favorite character last game was Roy, as that is my name, and he also pwns Marth. Since Ike is in, Roy must be in as well. Good thing, right? About the debate on who could leave, I am sure of Dr. Mario and probably the Ice Climbers to leave. Dr. Mario is almost useless, and Ice Climbers are kinda weird. Plus it is cheep using two items at once.

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... On a point by point basis.... Falcon and Marth are faster than Pichu. Jigglypuff isn't fast at all. Also Jigglypuff is generaly considered better than Ganondorf, Mario, and Roy, so if anyone's surprised at you using them, they suck.

Roy is generally considered a worse Marth - he's got worse power, he's got worse speed, he's got worse range, he's got a worse wavedash... Only thing he has going for him is he's a bit heavier.

The smart money says that Ike is replacing Roy as the FE character, as Roy was a crappy clone and it makes more sense to keep Marth, as he was the original, and clones suck.

Dr. Mario is better than Mario. Like, almost strictly better.

Ice Climbers are wierd, sure, but they're awesome. Very good. And using two items at once is not cheap in the least.

So... No.

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Posted by Gywall

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Oh blast. That's not fun. I love projectiles..
Most people I've played fall for the splat in the face tactics.

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As a samus player, I can just say suck it up and learn to vary your tactics more. The franklin badge doesn't last forever. A character's projectiles are generally best used supplementarily anyway.

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Marth is probably in. I mean, he's the original lord, and Ike looks like he plays very differently.

Someone on /v/ brought up a good point. If Young Link is in, his final smash ought to be Fierce Diety's Mask.

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No, it really isn't.

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http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/10/omni-directional-treadmill-could-put-you-in-the-game/

They finally made one. Interesting.

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