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Tommathy
Posted on 04-17-07 04:01 PM Link | Quote | ID: 27615


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Danielle: Common enough conceit, everyone expects someone else to save them, no?

On a related note: An Israeli lecturer who died in the massacre at a U.S. university saved the lives of several students by blocking the doorway of his classroom from the approaching gunman before he was fatally shot

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Colin
Posted on 04-17-07 05:53 PM Link | Quote | ID: 27626


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Police have named a student who shot dead at least 30 people at a US university as Cho Seung-hui, a 23-year-old from South Korea.

That's an odd one. He did go to V Tech and was studying English, but was also apparently a "loner".

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I was at a games shop yesterday and one of the guys told us about this, and one of my friend was like "Thats so funny, he only killed 20 and wounded 20 but he had two bandeliers of ammo? If your going to have that much ammo at least find a way to distribute it! Hahahahaha!"

And then everyone else joined in...
"Youd thing after the first classroom that every other one would have heard it and booked it. And how did noone see him walk in?"
"Haahahahahahah"

My friends are assholes, three of them older, one 33, the others in their 20s...

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Posted on 04-17-07 06:20 PM Link | Quote | ID: 27631


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Posted by Sonicandfails
I was at a games shop yesterday and one of the guys told us about this, and one of my friend was like "Thats so funny, he only killed 20 and wounded 20 but he had two bandeliers of ammo? If your going to have that much ammo at least find a way to distribute it! Hahahahaha!"

And then everyone else joined in...
"Youd thing after the first classroom that every other one would have heard it and booked it. And how did noone see him walk in?"
"Haahahahahahah"

My friends are assholes, three of them older, one 33, the others in their 20s...


I'm guessing the friends didn't know the shooter chained the doors shut.

Kasumi-Astra
Posted on 04-17-07 06:26 PM Link | Quote | ID: 27633


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I don't think there was any reason to believe that the gunman would initiate a spree after the initial shooting. At the time the college were dealing with the original incident, they had no idea who the culprit was- it was impossible to come to the conclusion that every student was in danger and needed to be sent home.

In hindsite, it would probably be a good course of action in the future. Colleges and young people are obviously a recurring vulnerable area, any indication of such a motivation that emerges must be investigated.

It now appears a note has been found from the gunman, now confirmed to be a South Korean living in the US, and a student at VT. It is said to be bitterly resentful of "rich" American students. It looks like something trivial has been left to decline in this guy, for whatever reason.

Keitaro
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Posted by Danielle
I can't believe the school didn't go into lockdown. There's a guy with two guns on your campus, and you're gonna trust that he's not going to do anything else now that his ex is dead? COME ON. They could have prevented a lot of tragedy yesterday.
Actually, I was told there WAS a lockdown, which of course the gunman "disappeared" during. When it was finally deemed "safe" the lockdown was lifted and sure enough, the gunman reemerged.

Pretty crazy ;\

Thexare Blademoon
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So, is anyone taking bets on the scapegoat for this one?

I call Starcraft!

Half of that was serious, btw...

Danielle
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Posted by Keitaro
Posted by Danielle
I can't believe the school didn't go into lockdown. There's a guy with two guns on your campus, and you're gonna trust that he's not going to do anything else now that his ex is dead? COME ON. They could have prevented a lot of tragedy yesterday.
Actually, I was told there WAS a lockdown, which of course the gunman "disappeared" during. When it was finally deemed "safe" the lockdown was lifted and sure enough, the gunman reemerged.

Pretty crazy ;\

The lockdown was 2+ hours later, though. Pretty useless, no?

Jin Dogan
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Posted by Colin
Police have named a student who shot dead at least 30 people at a US university as Cho Seung-hui, a 23-year-old from South Korea.

That's an odd one.


What do you mean by "odd"?

misterj
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Posted by Thexare Blademoon
So, is anyone taking bets on the scapegoat for this one?

I call Starcraft!

Half of that was serious, btw...

he is from south korea, so it's not very farfetched

Skreeny
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Posted by Danielle
I can't believe the school didn't go into lockdown. There's a guy with two guns on your campus, and you're gonna trust that he's not going to do anything else now that his ex is dead? COME ON. They could have prevented a lot of tragedy yesterday.
Correction: There may (or may not be) someone on campus who shot two people in what seemed to be a domestic dispute. Don't suggest actions based on what we know now, suggest based on what was known then.

Now, tell me this: You get into a fight, things get out of hand, you kill someone (two people in this case, but meh). What do you do? Do you run, or do you go and start shooting random people, particularly 2 hours later and half a mile away?

Sonicandtails & drjayphd: They did run. Out the window. It wasn't pretty. (One got a sprained ankle, the other... "wasn't moving" if I remember the report right?)

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What also disturbs me is that this is a college. People who go to college actually want to go, because they're paying money for it. The chances of assholes being at a college are pretty slim. I guess this is just one of those rare chances actually happening.

It may sound absurd, but if everyone in a room were to tackle and disarm the gunman, things would've ended very differently. Sure, some people would die, but instead of dying as cowards, they'd die as heroes, trying to save the University.

We talked about a similar incident such as this in U.S. History last year.

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The absurd thing is assuming any one person would take such a huge chance at throwing away his/her life under any circumstances, whether it means saving other people or not. It's foolish to sit back from the safety a desktop computer and even suggest that things should have gone differently with bystanders sacrificing themselves; I really do not believe that you would have willingly sacrificed your life in that situation. Instinct is not cowardice, and I do not see how you could be so ignorant as to confuse the two. Ugh.

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Posted by Doritokiller
The chances of assholes being at a college are pretty slim.


Are you serious with that?

Thexare Blademoon
Posted on 04-18-07 04:18 AM Link | Quote | ID: 27745


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Posted by misterj
Posted by Thexare Blademoon
So, is anyone taking bets on the scapegoat for this one?

I call Starcraft!

Half of that was serious, btw...

he is from south korea, so it's not very farfetched
The other half was the serious one.

Sinfjotle
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Posted by Dr_Death16
The absurd thing is assuming any one person would take such a huge chance at throwing away his/her life under any circumstances, whether it means saving other people or not. It's foolish to sit back from the safety a desktop computer and even suggest that things should have gone differently with bystanders sacrificing themselves; I really do not believe that you would have willingly sacrificed your life in that situation. Instinct is not cowardice, and I do not see how you could be so ignorant as to confuse the two. Ugh.


Indeed. Depending on how someone is raised, although it is incredibly unlikely in today's world, these instincts may be different. Outside of that, there is only trained professionals, soldiers, and people who can logically make that choice.

I would want to try and stop him if I was in the school, but I doubt I would've actually had the nerve to tackle him. I can't, and neither can anyone else, blame people who have never been in that kind of situation to act selflessly.

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Posted by Dr_Death16
The absurd thing is assuming any one person would take such a huge chance at throwing away his/her life under any circumstances, whether it means saving other people or not. It's foolish to sit back from the safety a desktop computer and even suggest that things should have gone differently with bystanders sacrificing themselves; I really do not believe that you would have willingly sacrificed your life in that situation. Instinct is not cowardice, and I do not see how you could be so ignorant as to confuse the two. Ugh.


Precisely. And to shoot down a counter-argument, the reason they fought back on Flight 93 was that they knew they'd die on the plane no matter what. When you know your death is imminent, it makes it easier to say "ah, screw it, let's try to stop these bastards before they kill anyone else".

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Posted by Dr_Death16
The absurd thing is assuming any one person would take such a huge chance at throwing away his/her life under any circumstances, whether it means saving other people or not. It's foolish to sit back from the safety a desktop computer and even suggest that things should have gone differently with bystanders sacrificing themselves; I really do not believe that you would have willingly sacrificed your life in that situation. Instinct is not cowardice, and I do not see how you could be so ignorant as to confuse the two. Ugh.

It depends on how many people are in the room. If they all ambush the same guy at the same time, he'd be overwhelmed, even with guns. I know it's something that I wouldn't do, but if everyone were to somehow muster everything they've got against he guy...

Posted by Sinfjotle
I would want to try and stop him if I was in the school, but I doubt I would've actually had the nerve to tackle him. I can't, and neither can anyone else, blame people who have never been in that kind of situation to act selflessly.

Anyone would, but knowing how many other people would actually carry on the task/take it on with you is frightening. If you're the one and only person doing that, then there's no chance to survive. (no... Zero Wing...)

In today's society, fighting back against a single gunman with no weapons is practically impossible. Banding together is just something that really doesn't cross anyone's mind when a situation like this arises; we only panic.

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I can't believe the school didn't go into lockdown. There's a guy with two guns on your campus, and you're gonna trust that he's not going to do anything else now that his ex is dead? COME ON. They could have prevented a lot of tragedy yesterday.
Actually, I was told there WAS a lockdown, which of course the gunman "disappeared" during. When it was finally deemed "safe" the lockdown was lifted and sure enough, the gunman reemerged.

Pretty crazy ;\

The lockdown was 2+ hours later, though. Pretty useless, no?

They had locked the dorm down then, but not the rest of campus until later.

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You know, I still don't see how a double murder with the suspect not in custody doesn't warrant a lockdown. Stupid, stupid choice.
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