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 Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 53 Posts: 420/739 EXP: 1132699 Next: 24420 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2669 days Last view: 675 days |
Board 2 is brilliant, it has always been.
I don't care about any 'lack of activity', because 'activity' is just a number, remember? Content From what I've seen, while there isn't much 'activity' as in there isn't thousand of posts per day or so, this means that the users can take time to make detailed and helpful responses. The responses to some of the hacking questions are really well written and go into everything. User base The user base of any board matters, it's what matters the users here. Most of them are friendly and willing to help out anyone. There have been a few problem users, but I don't care, every board has a problem users somewhere or another! But this board is brilliant in its users. Accessibility Something general I have to say about all AcmlmBoards, all of them are accessible, easy to use, while looking absolutely brilliant. It also fits the purpose because this is a retro-based hacking forum and the site looks retro. Fun It's been fun here even with the ups and downs, I've yet to see more than a day or two where there's been constant problems, even with the 'collab hack' thing, there was still some fun in that... All in all, keep on being the way you are, and make it fun for all of us. Who cares about 'activity', Board 2 isn't dead, because the participants make great content and are great, the site is accessible, and posting here is fun. Touko ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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Newcomer Mega-Mario clone Level: 3 Posts: 1/1 EXP: 53 Next: 75 Since: 07-05-16 Last post: 2845 days Last view: 2845 days |
The spamvertisers are brilliant, they have always been. |
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 Ninji More re-regs, more fun!... Um, no. Level: 32 Posts: 17/242 EXP: 200903 Next: 5539 Since: 07-02-16 Last post: 1917 days Last view: 2121 days |
...Xk? or StapleButter/Mega-Mario? Or some other person I don't know? 
anyway if people didn't post crap about that Runescape gold shit that NOBODY CARES ABOUT then this place would be good oh yeah, and if people actually posted that'd be nice too currently it's just me posting crap in a secret forum because I'm bored |
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 Rat Level: 23 Posts: 65/99 EXP: 63500 Next: 4223 Since: 12-03-12 Last post: 2601 days Last view: 2552 days |
Alot of really good hacks have come from these boards. |
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Ninji More re-regs, more fun!... Um, no. Level: 32 Posts: 18/242 EXP: 200903 Next: 5539 Since: 07-02-16 Last post: 1917 days Last view: 2121 days |
Posted by Termingamer2-JD too bad it's not, though no activity = nothing to post about when no posts are made the board dies ...unless it's board2, because apparently board2 is immortal while being extremely weak |
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 Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1374/1443 EXP: 4169981 Next: 21148 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 15 days Last view: 15 days |
I'm tired of all these posts referring to inactivity here. If you don't like something, try to do something about it. Suggest new ideas for users to engage in. Put some time and effort into creating something to share with the community and encourage interaction and discussion. If you're just going to talk crap about the board like you're self-entitled to something, then you're just as much a part of any problems that may or may not exist here, whether regarding activity or anything else.
P.S. Way to create at least two separate profiles (cderp4 and ekk3x) on a board that is supposedly "extremely weak". If it's so weak, then why are you investing your time into it, while simultaneously not doing anything constructive to help promote positive activity here? |
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 Red Goomba =doomster Level: 17 Posts: 36/43 EXP: 20476 Next: 4267 Since: 11-11-09 Last post: 2808 days Last view: 2813 days |
Posted by Quick Curly close the board? or give it to someone who actually cares? just look at it for a while ____________________ Hmm... what could I put here? |
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Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1378/1443 EXP: 4169981 Next: 21148 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 15 days Last view: 15 days |
Your <2-minute post and "just look at it for a while" hardly supports an argument that the board should be closed. Nor do any posts from members who only ever bother to take no more than a few seconds to try to emphasize board inactivity without ever offering any ideas, let alone acting on them.
So if the problem is inactivity, how does closing the board resolve that? It will no longer exist, and therefore, has even less of a chance of ever experiencing a rise in activity. So, your first "suggestion" is obviously not a true, sincere, productive solution, and in your eyes, an apathetic method of just getting rid of the board. Who said that the part(y)(ies) in question don't care? You just now? Other people who only ever post about inactivity, and don't post otherwise? The earlier, higher peaks of board and member activity came when we were all more readily available. Now, the founding generation has other daily tasks and priorities that unfortunately have to come first. There are the members who have definitely established that they left many years ago, but there are still old-timers who visit every now and then, and some who even check in regularly. The question is, why? Why don't you care? Like I've asked before in the past, would  blackhole89 implementing anything new with the board or updating it in any way actually encourage people to post? You and everyone else already have every opportunity within 24 hours per day to initiate discussions and you don't, yet you blame the board for being inactive. The activity has to start with each unique individual. You have to make a sincere and honest effort. Your post, as much as you personally might believe otherwise, was not an honest effort. Your post history, the majority of which are filled with posts related to banning, seem to suggest that you might even hold some sort of vendetta against this board's existence. What harm does Board 2's existence do to you? |
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Red Goomba =doomster Level: 17 Posts: 37/43 EXP: 20476 Next: 4267 Since: 11-11-09 Last post: 2808 days Last view: 2813 days |
you have good points, but I mean, the board doesn't give a good image
atleast 50% of the daily activity it gets is spam. all you can do is trash it, and in the endyou spend a lot of your time here doing that. assuming blackhole89 owns the board, i don't see much activity from him either. ____________________ Hmm... what could I put here? |
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Ninji More re-regs, more fun!... Um, no. Level: 32 Posts: 19/242 EXP: 200903 Next: 5539 Since: 07-02-16 Last post: 1917 days Last view: 2121 days |
the true owner of the board is Acmlm. just take a look at user id 1. Acmlm created the board, therefore he is owner. Xkeeper (from what I can see) managed Acmlm's Board I3 (until he resigned). anyway, blackhole89 is indeed the manager/"upkeeper" of the board
anyway, "extremely weak" was supposed to be figurative language or whatever. anyway, just a board being "extremely weak" doesn't make me immediately leave, you see. i check other board's way more than this one, so in the end I'm not really that active. and I'm sorry, but it's not us who are supposed to be iniciating discussions. We try to do that sometimes. No-one ever responds to them, probably the result of nobody even checking the board that often. sure, I'd like it if I had another board that was active. but what really is a solution? you can't just try to bring up an "interesting topic". nobody checks the board enough to respond to it. So uh, let's see. Advertising? most guests think the board is dead by reading the stuff here, so they don't bother joining. Nothing really happens here. And no, us taking action doesn't do much. Blackhole himself is the manager of this board, and as well as the staff they should be more active theirselves and investigating into the problem of why it's inactive. When no-one responds to the problems here, they simply grow. Posted by Quick Curly er, I'm just going to say that when a board gets little to no activity, and that activity is simply complaining about their being little activity, then why even let it survive? this board has had problems with activity for years on end, and it's starting to become clear that nothing really is changing. there also needs to be things making this board unique. Why should the users come here? What makes board2 a more fun board than other boards out there? That's the problem. Nothing happens here, and that makes nothing really all that unique. And board implementations aren't going to work either, given that pretty much everything that might actually be useful is either in Jul or 2.5.x already. (for example, descriptions next to items in the item shop and a better quoting system in Kafuka) so basically, that stuff that's useful is already out there. Now, ACS would be pretty cool. Problem is, how does one get it out there? How do we get new, interested people to actually come to board2 and participate with things? And how do we know it won't end up in postcount++ crap? So in the end, there aren't that many solutions. Sure, we could take a gamble, since there's nothing really to lose.. But anyway, this board closing (not completely dying, just being archived. there's useful stuff in those romhack sections.) wouldn't really do much but close the case. It's much easier to close it than to throw everything you have, including your energy into the board simply for it to not be dead in terms of activity. It's not like many staff are active here, anyway. They need to come on and make a change if they really want the board to have activity, or decide something, etc. but the board simply needs leadership that shuts down spammers/spambots, encourages logical posting, and other good stuff, instead of letting the board walk around like a zombie. |
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Rat Level: 23 Posts: 71/99 EXP: 63500 Next: 4223 Since: 12-03-12 Last post: 2601 days Last view: 2552 days |
That deal where you can make your posts surrounded by html code and pictures is pretty unique. I mean Jul forum does it too but they are a spinoff of this. Other than these two sites I don't know of any other forums that do that. |
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Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1379/1443 EXP: 4169981 Next: 21148 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 15 days Last view: 15 days |
All these points kind of flow together, but are separated by the specific posts of each member.
Popo: Thank you for your posts. I can understand how the board's image on the forefront has appeared that way for quite some time. I recall it being explained better in the past regarding how spambots are a thing. As far as I'm aware, as a Full Moderator, I've only ever been able to close and trash such threads, and I cannot do anything to block or remove those profiles. Though yes, unfortunately, I'm not always immediately available to take care of such issues anyway, although I certainly intend to do my best to help the board in any manner that I potentially can within my abilities and availability. cderp4: Thank you for the more detailed post. I truly do appreciate the effort, as well as your personal analysis and ideas. I do look forward to working with other people. I apologize if my previous post(s) came across as hostile in any form. All I ask is that others attempt to put forth an equal amount of effort. Generally, nowadays, this is difficult to find, unfortunately. I can understand that. Oftentimes, such terms and ex For myself, this board was the first ROM hacking related forum that I joined, from what I can recall. It's how I found it. So, for me, this board has always had a nostalgic feeling, even though, unfortunately, I wasn't a part of any of the previous incarnations or versions before it, because I was too late to the party for those social gatherings. Since I've been too busy to work on anything ROM hacking related for the last few months, I also haven't had time to post about anything related to it. The same circumstances can likely be said by other infrequent member appearances. I also recently almost had to get rid of my Internet as well. So unique individuals' reasons for inactivity aren't always as simple as us choosing to not be active, or even not having anything to post about. Back during the more active times, we were also younger and had fewer responsibilities, so many of us could collectively spend hours on end frequenting the board and building conversation chains at much faster rates for longer periods. However, when it comes to advertising, I personally feel as though that has likely always been difficult for a board like this. When one of your main unique drawing factors is an activity such as ROM hacking, you almost don't really want to draw the wrong people in. This is certainly a handy repository of great, helpful information, a lot written and discovered from personal firsthand experiences at the sources of foundation, and is and hopefully always will be here for future seekers who can benefit from the knowledge and take interest in our stories. However, spreading the word too much can perhaps force too much attention and emphasis on the grey areas of our otherwise intended innocent activities and dedication to our personal interests, and that could lead to a more compromised state of affairs than any reception this board's image already has and evokes on such occasions as this. Concerning staff members who don't appear active at all, and yet are still a part of staff, I probably shouldn't go into too much detail regarding that, but I will offer this much. The staff that exists, following many changes over time (the most recent being the addition of me with the intention of my generally-more-active-activity to be able to take care of anything that might come up, and be able to interact with members concerning any issues that might come up), is there because they are and can be trusted in the absence(s) of those who would otherwise be able to take care of the even bigger stuff. It might appear that they're not there for any reason, but rest assured, they are, and they do help, even if it seems like they aren't even around. This board continues to be the primary stop for some other old-time ROM hackers, just as it is for me. Similarly, these ROM hackers do indeed have other priorities that have to come first a lot of the time. I have questioned why there are people who join if they aren't ROM hackers themselves, and perhaps it is/was simply for the social interaction and casual conversation, which yes, isn't as frequent as it maybe once was a long time ago. If people didn't focus so much on the inactivity, they could maybe enjoy and appreciate Board 2 for what it is and truly always has been; a unique stop for a lot of unique, talented individuals, where you'll find a lot of unique projects and information that are unique to here and that you may not necessarily find in other potentially unique virtual locations. Similarly, one could question why Data Crystal still exists. It used to be its own resource before finding a home on Romhacking.net. However, it still seems to generally not get much attention or regular maintenance as it did way back in the late 2000s while it was still on its own. Back then, at least it still had individual pages dedicated to ROM hacks, and my only actual true contributions to the wiki were in October 2008 after my first initial releases, which have since been long removed when the powers that be ultimately decided to take the wiki in a different direction. However, even though it doesn't receive much attention overall, it still has its use and place in the ROM hacking community overall. I've always personally felt and sincerely believed that, so does Board 2. Sure, Board 2 hasn't been archived for all this time similar to its previous incarnations. But, then what? Would "Board 3" be created, be active due its newness and freshness, and then the novelty would quickly wear off to result in the same current state of here and now? Would active ROM hackers, with Board 2 gone, have to choose between Romhacking.net, SMW Central, Jul, and Kafuka? Plus, that's if they haven't already long ago. Yes, I agree that we as staff members are responsible for encouraging logical posting as well. However, regular members also have to put forth that logic and act upon it. Plus, all of us as unique members, staff and the rest of the community alike, are all responsible for the conversations that do take place, and the projects that we share and build. The most recent community effort was likely the Board 2 collaborative hack, which did bring about Board Fight. However, there was barely any true community involvement. Not as much as a collaborative project should truly have and encourage, anyway. So, not to open old wounds for the 17th time, but in a case such as that, who is truly at fault? I wasn't a part of the staff here at the time either, so do keep that in mind. I was simply a regular member, still trying to do my best with what I had to work with given the free time I had available to help promote and keep the board that holds a special place in my heart alive in the way that I still believe it can blossom. As one person, what more could I possibly do? Plus I have even less free time now than I did then.  Zieldak most recently attempted to encourage community involvement on a Mega Man Collab Project. I attempted to try to work on something, even though I'm hardly a Mega Man player, let alone skilled at hacking games I'm not 100% familiar with, but I didn't have as much time as I would have liked to play around with the editor(s), which turned out to be not as straight forward as some others out there, and will definitely take some time.
However, potential projects and community involvement can only be as successful as collective, collaborative interests shared between multiple unique individuals of said community. With that in mind, what exactly would you find interesting and like to see here to become involved in? If you don't ROM hack, how did you find this board, and what encouraged you to join it? This information can be useful for trying to appeal to other potential future members as well. Thank you again for your time and consideration. MathUser2929: Kafuka also does it, and I believe the previous incarnations of the board did it too (not that I can speak from personal experience). It definitely was always a great feature, as well as the mood avatars, in my personal opinion, although it seems like both are hardly used anymore. |
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Ninji More re-regs, more fun!... Um, no. Level: 32 Posts: 23/242 EXP: 200903 Next: 5539 Since: 07-02-16 Last post: 1917 days Last view: 2121 days |
thanks for the response.
The solution is definitely not restarting from scratch with board3. It wouldn't make sence; I don't see how acmlmboard could randomly jump to 3.0 that quickly (I think it'll be a few years before that even gets close to happening) and really, what would change? How would be reach out? Whenever someone finds out it's simply board2...2.0, they'll figure out that it's basically the same thing, and nothing much has really changed. Technically, Kafuka is Board3 at this point. It's not anywhere close to Acmlmboard 3, but it's active and it's also the successor to board2, and it's honestly where a good bit of the community has gone, besides Jul. Board3, as cool as it sounds, would die quickly, sadly. And yep, they could chose from those, or a few others; there are tons of ROM hacking boards out there.
A collab hack would probably either result in: A. everyone gets butthurt over what position they want and what they want to do with the project B. nobody shows up or finds out about it or C. They see all the fighting and arguing that went on with the past one and see that that could easily happen again, and don't want to be a part of it. However, if there were to be some collab hack, I guess I would be interested in working on it. I'm just worried about it failing miserably.
the reason I joined (or found out I guess) is thru a link in the ABXD default FAQ, lol I joined because I usually join every acmlmboard I come across, I really like the layout of them. anyway, a good way to appeal to the user is to get some activity going, first. I thought this board was literally dead before I realized I could join. They need to figure out that posts are being made, and there's info to come across, and stuff to talk about. That's the best way to appeal to people. Or, possibly (maybe) add some gamechanger to the board, perhaps. But that'd take lots of hardwork and dedication from Blackhole. Said gamechanger is perhaps an RPG system that works and is fun to use. Or maybe we could bring ACS to this board. These ideas require dedication, though, and it'd be hard to do. Or well, at least for the RPG one. But ACS would also be annoying to upkeep when there aren't even any posts to go off of. |
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Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 53 Posts: 498/739 EXP: 1132699 Next: 24420 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2669 days Last view: 675 days |
It's funny because it was quite active here up until about a couple months back anyone remember when we had like 79 posts in a few hours (mostly me, Mike and Quick) and 8 users online?
Was back in November 2015. This site was getting better for months then it dropped again for some reason. I'm trying to be here more of what I have left of school summer holidays, though. I think if I can get some active ROM hackers to check Board 2 then I will help with that, maybe I'll mention it to people on my site as well as other places. Though several people here are on my site a lot of them are inactive. Quick your point about drawing the wrong people in is so right. Look at GBATemp for instance, they are a horrible community mostly interested in PIRACY + FREE GAMEZ. Not to mention their users are mostly perverted teenagers. Here, most active users are adults and experienced, and want to have fun and talk about ROM hacks amd such. 
not even going to talk about what RVLution became Yeah. I'm literally only here to see ROM hack stuff and talk to the community, not any other reason, and that community is brilliant and dedicated. I might try to spark more discussion later about the other subjects like Entertainment or Gaming As well as some general chat threads.
The staff situation is cool. I just think when people see a long ago last view they assume they don't care. It might help if they could check the site every now and again, in particular I miss ninjablooper, he helped quite a lot and he seems to be a pretty nice guy. Kafuka never really done it for me. Neither does Jul, hence why my last alt account hasn't been there for about a week. It lacks something about it that this board has. Probably, the post quality and such. People post some really good stuff here neither of those boards are as good, people on here seem more welcoming too. MathUser: My board (runs on AcmlmBoard XD) does the same thing, you can also use certain div classes linked to your user ID like .mainbar1 div.quote to more easily edit other things like quotes and code. It's a lot more flexible than the one here IMO. It's a feature only in AcmlmBoards, which to me seriously feels like it helps you express your posts and personality better (even though my layout here is taken from a template and slightly edited) ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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Ninji More re-regs, more fun!... Um, no. Level: 32 Posts: 73/242 EXP: 200903 Next: 5539 Since: 07-02-16 Last post: 1917 days Last view: 2121 days |
"post quality"
have you not seen the TRCF section at Jul? or well, I know some posts are simply reporting changes, but still, why do people say board2 has the best post quality? the spatula isn't good and.. neither is general chat to be honest (plus, you can actually block layouts there) |
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Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 53 Posts: 530/739 EXP: 1132699 Next: 24420 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2669 days Last view: 675 days |
Posted by cderp4 The ROM hacking section is where the real high quality meat is. That's why. General Chat etc... Not so much. ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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Ninji More re-regs, more fun!... Um, no. Level: 32 Posts: 76/242 EXP: 200903 Next: 5539 Since: 07-02-16 Last post: 1917 days Last view: 2121 days |
uh. well, just look at the TRCF section. lots of mature discussion there, too. |
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Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 53 Posts: 538/739 EXP: 1132699 Next: 24420 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2669 days Last view: 675 days |
I think dooooooooomster and Popo are hacked accounts... ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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 Micro-Goomba Only seemed to be here to flame. Level: 9 Posts: 5/11 EXP: 2711 Next: 451 Since: 03-05-09 Last post: 2799 days Last view: 2803 days |
i think termigamer-2D is a hacked account
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Ropa Banned: repeat sockpuppeting Level: 53 Posts: 541/739 EXP: 1132699 Next: 24420 Since: 08-06-15 From: England Last post: 2669 days Last view: 675 days |
Posted by doooomster why did I laugh at this? lol ____________________ Jamie Dignam |
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