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| Main - ROM Hacking - Mega Man 2 - The Forgotten Bot <first hack!> - Released! | New thread | New reply |
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 Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 3/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
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This is my first released hack of MM2. It has some "new" levels, couple pallette changes, somewhat edited title screen, music swaps and a recolored Megaman. Basic story is that Dr.Light and Wily created a scrap bot long ago, now its exploring 8 ruins to try to find out what his purpose is... There's some jumps that require you take damage (Heat Maan for example.). If ya find something odd, lemme know. Thanks, and enjoy! This took 4 days to make! EDIT: Thanks, first 2! =D ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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 Fuzz Ball Level: 66 Posts: 620/968 EXP: 2366186 Next: 95665 Since: 05-24-07 Last post: 949 days Last view: 805 days |
To make your link clickable, just edit your post and add the following before and after your address.
[ url ] your address [ /url ] note: do not include spaces like I did within the brackets. |
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 Ninji Level: 35 Posts: 127/239 EXP: 261089 Next: 18847 Since: 08-15-10 From: New Mexico, USA Last post: 84 days Last view: 2 days |
Also if you want to display text for your clickable link rather than the Address (if you feel like bothering with the extra work lol), format it like this:
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Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 4/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
Anyone play it yet? ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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 Koopa Level: 24 Posts: 54/116 EXP: 76645 Next: 1480 Since: 12-27-13 From: Florida Last post: 2028 days Last view: 1474 days |
Don't download it....dear god.... |
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 Purple Leever Level: 32 Posts: 62/209 EXP: 195748 Next: 10694 Since: 10-19-12 Last post: 70 days Last view: 2 days |
If you read "first hack" then it's born from disaster.
To summarize, its just has the original stage with a few cut-out platforms with some palettes edited (Flashman stage has bad choice of colour). But Megaman has a higher jump and shoot multiple shots and colored him like Batman. As anyone would expect for a "first hack", nothing spectacular. Anyways, put a lot of effort next time. I'm sure you can do better than this. ____________________  |
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Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 5/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
:-( what is needed so that I know for next time? ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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Ninji Level: 35 Posts: 128/239 EXP: 261089 Next: 18847 Since: 08-15-10 From: New Mexico, USA Last post: 84 days Last view: 2 days |
I haven't looked at your game myself, so I'm not going to say anything about the changes you made, but rather give you some hopefully helpful general info.
On the level design, I would usually suggest changing the entire level layout. If however you're making a game that's supposed to be a lot like the original, for example a hard version of a game, or even a remix of it, then I would maybe only edit say something like 5% to 60% or so of the level layout (how much really really depends on what your intentions are though). By the name of your game it seems like you want to make something very different, so I would suggest probably changing the entire level layout and more (changing the graphics would be suggested usually, though it's not necessary). What is important to change depends entirely on the purpose of the hack, but generally you'll want to change the level design heavily even if you change nothing else (so the gameplay is different, so that it actually feels like a different game; it's about having a very different and thus new experience in most cases). When it comes to the palettes, they should be something that is nice to look at. Think about how it feels when you look at it, does it get irritating to your eyes or just feel annoying to look at, or even just kinda fugly even if it's not terrible, or does it feel enjoyable to look at. And if you can't stop looking at it because it's that gorgeous, than you know you've likely got something great. Making a hack can get pretty involved, and it will likely take you several attempts, or simply just more time spent on it than previously imagined. People often times end up working on these for a year or more. It depends on how far you want to go, and how efficiently you can make progress; everyone works at their own pace. It can be difficult to be sure how the result is when you make something yourself because you'd like your creation to be great, so it's easy to want to see it as that even if it really needs more improvement. It can also take time to develop your sense of what quality is, and especially to develop your ability to easily identify what specific components make something quality. Though, if you've been playing games for some time now, your natural sense (intuition) of these things should be able to guide you alright. Think about the games you've already played, and think about what games you liked more and which ones you liked less. Think about what specific things in all of those games were memorable, both the good and the bad. Go back and play though some of them again, and as you do take a mental note (or even write it down if you feel like it) of what you like and don't like, and in time you'll gain more and more of an understanding of what to do and what not to. It's just as important to pay attention to what isn't good, because the more you understand what you don't want, the better you can understand what you do want; the path to what you're after will become more clear~ this is true with anything in life. |
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 Red Paragoomba Level: 19 Posts: 57/62 EXP: 31461 Next: 4316 Since: 12-02-12 From: Jakarta, Indonesia Last post: 3358 days Last view: 1936 days |
I really surprised when I knew the hack is really out of expectation from what it said on the title. Because what I want when I saw a MM2 hack is the renewal challenges especially the Quickman Lasers. Well, I'm really disappointed, sorry. But when I saw the "first hack", I just guessed you're completely new for Mega Man hacking like me at first (maybe until now), then it okay, because it's mean, you can do -much- better than this.
Zink already summed what I thought up and Synthetekh already gave an excellent advice for ya. It's good to allow people to give their opinions about your hack in progress before you really published it to famous romhacking sites like RHDN. If you just wanna edit level and palette only I recommend you to play this and this. Hacking is not just "hack". You should make some parts or even entirely different from original like Synthetekh said. Not only just omitting some part of a platform then call it a hack. |
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 Snifit Compromised account. Please contact an admin to restore access. Level: 36 Posts: 111/285 EXP: 293092 Next: 15018 Since: 02-17-14 Last post: 3127 days Last view: 2643 days |
I think you guys are being hard on Model FZx.
This guy is new to the forum. How do you all know that he's not new to hacking? Even the mighty oak starts out as a small seed! Maybe this is his first time even using a hex editor or even a GFX editor. This can very much be a HUGE accomplishment for him. When he gets negative comments like this and such blunt statements like: "this is his first hack what do you expect?" how is that not turning him off from hacking? We need to ENCOURAGE new hackers, not throw sh*t at them. Model FZx, don't worry about those guys. This might not have a lot of changes, but you did good for your first hack. Don't worry; keep at it and your next hack will be even better. 
When I started out, I didn't even know how to edit sprites. Now I'm hacking and made the first ever 100% English Pokemon Green, fixed every known glitch; hack NES games and add a TON of features to my SMB 1 and 2J hacks etc. Keep at it and you will be fine. Learn at your own pace and ignore negative comments. EDIT: I understand constructive criticism, but that is NOT what this is about. ____________________ At the end, when the day is over, the only one left to face is yourself. Have you been true to yourself and made the most of your day? |
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Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 6/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
*risks saying he didnt ever use a hex editor or a gfx editor =D*
i currently have a life situation. i barely have a crappy old computer (Windows 98...) and an android (i used android and dosbox to make this.) so... i cant really edit GFX or input new SFX (like music.) so.. yeah. i can take all kinds of criticism. And I thank you all for it... Yeah, its terrible for a first hack (messed up the title screen as you guys see.) but can I ask this?: wasnt the Heat Man and Quick Man battles slightly challenging? a bit? ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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Ninji Level: 35 Posts: 129/239 EXP: 261089 Next: 18847 Since: 08-15-10 From: New Mexico, USA Last post: 84 days Last view: 2 days |
Posted by shanem Well put lol. This is an issue I tried to point out a decade ago (or even just asshole behavior in general), and people just seemed to think I was stirring up trouble for nothing. These forums have been plagued with douchey behavior, cliques, and arrogant, harsh, overly critical comments for at least half of its existence, but fortunately it seems far better overall than many years ago, but it would be nice if it just ended completely. I see similar behavior on other game modification related forums, yet the opposite on computer programming forums (programming questions can take a lot of energy to answer as well, if not more, often times; people post their scrips and algorithms etc. and actually receive help with them, or at least a nice response if no one can help or wants to). Kinda strange. I never quite did understood what was so hard about just being decent, if nothing nicer. It's interesting how often I see a bunch of negative comments (sometimes several paragraphs in one post) where it would have been just as easy or even easier in those particular cases to have just giving the person a few simple tips, or even just simply and nicely let them know that what they were asking was too much. |
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 Leever Level: 32 Posts: 190/193 EXP: 205841 Next: 601 Since: 02-26-08 Last post: 3348 days Last view: 960 days |
Posted by Model FZx This is needed - Ugh.. sorry Iam tired.. Posted by Model FZx I dont think you need anything special computer wise  Think about that the games you are hacking and editing were made in the 80's... and, well they had way worse computers than you have! Iam just trying to be positive here.
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Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 7/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
I wasn't in the 80s... I'm a 90s guy =D ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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Ninji Level: 35 Posts: 130/239 EXP: 261089 Next: 18847 Since: 08-15-10 From: New Mexico, USA Last post: 84 days Last view: 2 days |
He meant that the games (like MegaMan 2) were made in the 80's (late 80's anyway lol), so the computers they had to develop them on were worse than Windows 95 computers. |
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Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 8/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
:-O rofl I misread that, haha. ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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Ninji Level: 35 Posts: 131/239 EXP: 261089 Next: 18847 Since: 08-15-10 From: New Mexico, USA Last post: 84 days Last view: 2 days |
hehe lol ye.
Well anyway, I think you'll get things down pretty soon. You seem quite competent lol, just new to this. I can only ever recall one person who actually seemed pretty hopeless (any of you old timers remember DAVALAR? hehe~ I hope I spelled that right). I've been at this stuff for 12 years on and off, but I wasn't super awesome at it right away either, nor nearly as confident. |
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Red Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 9/132 EXP: 89970 Next: 12305 Since: 08-28-14 Last post: 3070 days Last view: 3090 days |
Yeah, when I first uploaded this I thought "I should stick to Doom editing..." ____________________ A well known Bio-Metal |
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Ninji Level: 35 Posts: 132/239 EXP: 261089 Next: 18847 Since: 08-15-10 From: New Mexico, USA Last post: 84 days Last view: 2 days |
Wow, I just looked at my first hack (Super Mario World hack).... omg. In some ways it's good, but in other's it's pretty bad lol (level design). I did a nice job porting graphics from other games though haha.
Funny, I actually don't really have many hacks, and they're all very unfinished. I've mostly spent a lot of my time learning and screwing around for fun rather than getting that far on making anything serious. |
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 Shyguy Level: 24 Posts: 63/97 EXP: 71838 Next: 6287 Since: 10-23-08 From: Norway Last post: 1947 days Last view: 345 days |
Posted by SynthetekhHaha, I remember him! DAVALLR was his name, in capital letters of course. He was a lot of fun, although I did feel a bit sorry for him; he could be really young at the time and possibly come from a non English speaking country, not being able to communicate with other members very well. I'm not able to check out the hack since I'm on a different computer at the moment, but basically I have to agree with some of the latter replies: We all have to start somewhere, and it can only get better every day. Just keep it up at your own pace and you will start to figure out more and more as time flows by.
I believe hackers mostly figured stuff out on their own, and that they all started out with small edits like this. The only difference might be when in their hacking career they decided to make something public for the first time. Some people do it with small level edits, others use years and change almost everything before they release their first works. We're all different, and that's how it should be, right? |
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