thank mods - Board 2

Posted by blackhole89
Posted by "YouKnowWho"
This was meant to point out what blackhole89 apparently refuses to admit: the board is dead. The current staff doesn't care about it. Either find staff that is willing to care about it, or archive it.
"Refuses to admit" still makes it sound like some kind of "blackhole89 defiantly sitting in his Führer bunker and clenching his teeth as Soviet tanks are rolling above his head" kind of scenario... that is really not accurate.

You see, this is one form of dismissal that prior staff has dealt with. You paint this picture about what someone has said in such a bleak and negative way that is entirely not what that person even said. Of course that isn't accurate. He said "this shit's dead, bro. get more/different staff, give a shit more, do more stuff, get things done". This kind of reaction from you only proves his point!

Posted by "blackhole89"
Even if I wanted to, I wouldn't have the energy to actively "refuse to admit" anything for this long.

You don't actively do something like this. The exact way to "refuse to admit" something is to ignore it, which is what you've been doing for years at a time. It's called passive action.

Posted by "blackhole89"
The board simply usually takes an infinitesimal amount of effort to keep running

That's why this board is in trouble. You don't look at running a board purely from a technical standpoint. If you do, then ideally you'd be the IT guy behind the scenes of a real admin. Boards require a lot of effort to keep running. You have to keep users engaged. You have to participate in and set up community events. You have to keep things fresh, bh. You can't just "keep it running". Because you're right, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to do that. It's everything you do beyond that is what counts. It's a passion! I don't see that passion in you or others in power on the board.

Posted by "blackhole89"
- that is, as long as nobody feels the need to make a point that there aren't armed guards patrolling the database all the time

There's that imagery again. People want manpower in the form of a proper workforce, not a militia, as you've so eloquently suggested.

Posted by "blackhole89"
and some people seem to be getting benefit out of it

Vultures get a benefit from picking rotten flesh from the bones of a carcass. (Am I doing the imagery thing right?)

Posted by "blackhole89"
why should I bother to create additional effort for myself and possible disadvantages to others to shut it down/archive it/organise a proper handover?

Yeah, it does take some effort to make changes. And I'll agree that you're going to piss some people off. But you're already obviously pissing people off. Is that a disadvantage to them? Maybe not as directly as those who would be disadvantaged by this board's shutdown/archival, but I hardly see a situation where those users aren't going to find other places to go where they can get the communication, placement, and discussion they should have. And I hardly see a situation where users are going to find a place as stagnant as here. You should bother because it's the right thing to do for what's left of a community in shambles.

Posted by "blackhole89"
The operation of anything on the internet nowadays requires a minimum amount of civility, common sense, goodwill or at least indifference from others.

It also requires attentiveness, a sense of urgency, and tact interjection. All of which this board lacks. And the fact that this conversation keeps coming up regardless of origination seems to support that.

Posted by "blackhole89"
Posted by "KP9000"
join kafuka

If I wanted to come here and say "join Kafuka", I would have. With big flashy banners everywhere. And I might have used a botnet I got for .01 bitcoins. But I didn't. I didn't *just* put links to my references of Kafuka. I didn't *just* imply that there were other places to go, throughout my post. I actually had an opinion, and I slightly defended myself (or rather, clarified) a little bit. The fact that you've decided to censor my post and place your interpretation of it in a quote of mine feels like an attempt that you don't want people to see what I've said, only the way you've interpreted it. Seems extremely suspect to me. How do you guarantee that others are going to see my post the way you did? Additionally, isn't my opinion and dignity as valuable as others on this forum? What signifies your need to interject at this point, especially in such a way that hides completely valid opinions from others?

I'll admit I got a bit link-happy, but could you blame me? The difference between myself and those who brought up complaints is that I have a solution. Not only do I invite their company, but I invite their opinions, criticism, praise, or otherwise. I request my post be uncensored so users can decide for themselves. Strip the links if you feel so inclined, but I don't think it's fair for you to sway the thread illegitimately like you have. This isn't a PM to you, bh. Even if you decided to reject my opinions as you have, what right do you have from preventing others from seeing it? Censure me if you must, but don't censor me.

Posted by "blackhole89"
I am honestly extremely reluctant to do that because I used to (and, modulo my impression of your activity on here, still do) have a lot of respect for you (and think that your past contributions to the board, in a way, do give your constant negativity some legitimacy), but if your purpose in coming here consistently is to produce a repetition of the "this board is dead, I warned you about blackhole89, join Kafuka today, we have everything they have here and more" spiel, it seems like the only appropriate moderation choice would be to ban you.

Given that my post contained a lot more content than "join Kafuka", your implication to ban me on the basis of spamming is fallacious, at best. I don't feel what I did was completely outside the bounds of the rules, nor is it Googie's choice to put a 600x150 banner for Kafuka in his signature. Also, I highly doubt you have respect for me at all. If you did, and if you claim that my "activity" and negativity is a result of that is afforded some legitimacy, why did you delete my post? I mean, at the very worst, wouldn't you just strip the links in this situation, and then reply with your own censure either in PM or publicly, or both?

Posted by "blackhole89"
Please, if you don't actually have anything to contribute beyond this, just stop posting.

As I said, I *do* have things to contribute. But now it's just my word against yours. For you to imply that I haven't given my opinion beyond arguably flagrant invitations is a blatant lie, and I less-than-humbly request that you restore that post.

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