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Treeki
Posted on 07-25-13 05:21 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154433


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Posted by Nzdoy Y'rap
We need board2 coins. This can only go up uP UP
Oh man. What an awesome idea. I'm going to invest my life savings into board2coin RIGHT NOW.

I'll be a millionaire. And if it doesn't work out...



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Nzdoy Y'rap
Posted on 07-25-13 05:27 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154439


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I like how the items have descriptions but you can't actually see them without clicking on their names. That must be fun.

Mog54123
Posted on 07-25-13 06:09 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154455

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Posted by Treeki


Who said board2 was dead?
ftfy

Mega-Mario
Posted on 07-25-13 01:30 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154457

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Since the trend in this thread is posting graphes, guess I'll jump on the bandwagon...



This one is made from the 'New posts' numbers in the stats page of Kafuka, Board2 and Jul. It dates back from yesterday morning, so it doesn't count the recent posting spree here.

Even though my method of calculating weekly averages is slightly off, the message is obvious.


I used to like Board2 a few years ago. But now... it's a zombie. It gets little to no posts per day, yet it won't die.

At this point there are two solutions out of the problem: either radically change the board in a last attempt at attracting more people, or just kill it.

Leaving the board in its current state will more hurt it than anything else. Look at it-- the only active regulars are blackhole89 and one or two other staffers. All of the community is gone. The only activity here comes from random new people joining to ask a question in the ROM hacking forums. Then when they get their answer, or realize the board is dead, they go away. The board is also the target of all kinds of crap bots (namely those that try to insert links in their useragents and stick around online.php). The board is in a pathetic state overall.


Now, what has already been done to try and get the board somewhere? Lunaria has tried, and from what I can see, it has failed. At this point, anything that isn't as radical as turning the place into a whole new site, will fail the same way.


So in the end, I have to agree with Xkeeper. This board is a zombie and isn't going anywhere. Time to turn it into a nice archive and do something else.


Now you're going to tell me what you told Xk about the ROM hacking stuff. That's nice, but ROM hackers would rather go to an active board where a consistent and active community can help them out quickly. Sending those people to such a board would be a favor to them, rather than letting them in this inactive board.

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blackhole89
Posted on 07-25-13 05:56 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154460


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Thanks for making the pretty graph, but...

Posted by Mega-Mario
Now you're going to tell me what you told Xk about the ROM hacking stuff. That's nice, but ROM hackers would rather go to an active board where a consistent and active community can help them out quickly. Sending those people to such a board would be a favor to them, rather than letting them in this inactive board.
...whereupon I'd tell you the other thing I told him, which is that I'm pretty sure the ROM hackers can make decisions for themselves. There still seem to be plenty of regular posters in those sections who don't appear to care all that much for "community".

Anyway, this thread got predictably derailed... I'll probably just go ahead with the section-axing at some point soon, unless some radically different opinions emerge.

Chaobomr
Posted on 07-25-13 06:32 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154461


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Trust me, DO. NOT. AXE. THE. HACKING SECTION. I have also seen new people jump in. To be honest, I was half-afraid to join this forum. I'm glad I did. I've received a lot of help.

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blackhole89
Posted on 07-25-13 06:35 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154463


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The hacking section was never up for axing. The suggestion in the head post of this thread was to remove some sections which are just sitting around with nothing happening, like "Entertainment".

Mike-Tech
Posted on 07-27-13 04:34 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154474

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Posted by blackhole89
The hacking section was never up for axing. The suggestion in the head post of this thread was to remove some sections which are just sitting around with nothing happening, like "Entertainment".


I suggest you take this off of the sub-forum list and archive it below.
http://acmlm.kafuka.org/board/forum.php?id=37

Since the writing sub-forum doesn't get any new post at all I say we let it go.
Also what are you're thoughts on the fraxy sub-forum ?
there appear to be "some" good projects started awhile back but that has run stale and no new post at all.

Everything else on the board looks fine to me.

roxahris
Posted on 07-29-13 03:30 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154484


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All websites die in time. Each of my suggestions are completely serious. Now;

Archive the forums. Implement sub-forums. Combine Modern Art, Forum Games, and Writing into Creativity or similar. Remove all Fun and Entertainment forums except for Fraxy and Gaming.
Make sure subforums work. Move Spatula into General. Move all non ROM Hacking forums into ROM Hacking. Move Display Case into Landfill.
Re-theme the site so that it looks less like a fucking wasteland. Integrate the Uploader into the forum view. Replace the hard drive and make the site less fucking slow. Remove all bronies from the moderation staff.


Classic discussion forums as a whole are being overtaken by sites that either focus on specific content with discussion as a complement or by social media wherein people shoot their opinions into space. Not even a curated circlejerk can stand the test of time, as Mega-Mario's graph shows. Clearly, an incentive is required to provoke people into actually joining the site and contributing content - and nobody has thought of anything.

From the looks of things, nobody but a few stragglers care about Fraxy, SMRPG hacking or Secret of Mana hacking - or are discussing it elsewhere, which raises the question of why they left and never came back. SMW hacking is a niche already covered by other websites and its existence here seems entirely redundant. The only mention of this place I'd heard prior to visiting was in regards to 2ch users uploading hacks here. As this forum is neither in Japanese nor in a content-centric format there is not much stock in expecting them to post here. ROM hacking as a concept is apparently dead enough that people just go to the obviously named ROMhacking.net boards rather than the obscurely named and located boards here. And other games with decent editors have their own communities, based around those specific editors and games.

With the facts as they stand, I cannot think of a single reason for this place to keep existing. Not only is the site slow, but it's obscure and gives no prominence to new content as it arrives. Considering you are both unwilling and unable to work on things, the only "solution" I can suggest is putting everything into lockdown and directing people somewhere that can match the functionality provided by board2 but in an environment more conducive to content and posting.

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Mike-Tech
Posted on 07-29-13 11:08 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154487

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Posted by roxahris
All websites die in time. Each of my suggestions are completely serious. Now;

Archive the forums. Implement sub-forums. Combine Modern Art, Forum Games, and Writing into Creativity or similar. Remove all Fun and Entertainment forums except for Fraxy and Gaming.
Make sure subforums work. Move Spatula into General. Move all non ROM Hacking forums into ROM Hacking. Move Display Case into Landfill.
Re-theme the site so that it looks less like a fucking wasteland. Integrate the Uploader into the forum view. Replace the hard drive and make the site less fucking slow. Remove all bronies from the moderation staff.



With the facts as they stand, I cannot think of a single reason for this place to keep existing. Not only is the site slow, but it's obscure and gives no prominence to new content as it arrives. Considering you are both unwilling and unable to work on things, the only "solution" I can suggest is putting everything into lockdown and directing people somewhere that can match the functionality provided by board2 but in an environment more conducive to content and posting.



Alright guy I heard your reply some I agree with look at what I bolded to see what I agree with.
There are other rom hacking forums out there such as rom hacking.net zophar and any other generail rom hacking board.
I say we let the thing stand where it is, also I agree with you that black may need to get a new hard drive if thats all it needs.
If the server hardware itself is a different issue here say like the server mobo/processer, we may need to consider something else. :/

Lastly, you keep forgetting that acmlm is one of the grand daddys that pushed rom hacking to where it is now.
Just look at the acmlm archive sometime and see where some projects and people have led this place to where it is.

Minus the trolling and drama whores.


Mega-Mario
Posted on 07-30-13 06:40 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154496

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Not to mention that the way the site is being run lately, indicates how desperate blackhole89 is.

First evidence of that showed over two years ago, with Flan. The guy would keep shitting over the board, and nothing was done to stop him, because Flan was filling the board with posts and blackhole89 loved that fact, regardless of the posts themselves.

Or whatever. Perhaps the reason was actually different, but to me as well as most of the users who were here at the time, it looked pretty much like what I described.

Of course, privileging quantity over quality is bad. People started leaving because of that. At that point, blackhole89 apparently realized his choice was wrong, as action was finally taken to stop Flan. But the harm was already done...


Another evidence I've seen is when blackhole89 would mute #acmlm to force people to use the board for their discussions.


I have to say here that obsessing over postcounts is a bad thing to do. See Neritic Net. While it was active, it was a nice and friendly place, and I enjoyed posting there. But at some point, activity started to decline. Kaeru started obsessing over postcounts and constantly going GO POST GO POST at the people in IRC. He literally turned into another person, a postcount-obsessed asshole (I still remember the nice Kaeru telling me "don't feel forced, posts should come from the heart"). Of course, that, combined with Arbe's bullshit, drove me away from the place. And apparently it pretty much precipitated the board's death.


Back to now. It appears to me that no effort is put into running the place other than deleting spambot crap.

See. That Chaobomr guy has a stupid plaintext header, and noone has bothered to remove it. Xkeeper's previous rereg (E_NONAME) was able to make over 50 posts before getting banned, and Xkeeper isn't known for spamflooding this place.

And there are more. I won't list them here because I'm not trying to be a backseat moderating hero. My point is that the staff is apparently not putting any effort into moderating the place.

'The staff' being blackhole89, since all the other staffers either have left or have other boards/projects that are more important to them than trying to moderate a board where barely anything happens.

There are two possible reasons for this: a) blackhole89 wants postcounts so bad he'll let anyone in no matter what, or b) he is sick of running this zombie board.

Now, here's the dilemma: if it's b), why does blackhole89 still bother running the board? But if it's a), what kind of postcounts can you really expect here today? The board doesn't even get 10 posts a day.

To me, it looks more like b), perhaps with a bit of a).


blackhole89 said that ROM hackers should be able to find whichever place is convenient for them to post their stuff. If it is the case, they don't need to be able to post here. They may want to look at the existing content, for documentations or whatever, but they aren't going to want to post here since nobody would reply.


Long story short, Board2 as it is has lived its time. blackhole89 needs to stop hanging on this zombie board like an old monkey hanging on a dead tree's branch. He should either change it radically to give it a new life and attract new people, or archive it and do something else. Just don't let it fall into spam and chaos and all the bad things that happen to unarchived dead boards.



But blarg, why are we wasting our times? blackhole89 is so stubborn that we'll surely always see the board running until he dies.

Oh, I don't really care anyway. I'm just suggesting what I deem the best for the board's future. At this point it has lived its time, and I don't want it to fall into chaos.

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Chaobomr
Posted on 07-30-13 11:43 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154500


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Wait, what? Stupid plaintext header? It's there only to let others know how I pronounce my name!

On another note, I may be able to get some people on here. It may not be too many, but there are always those who need questions answered. That's why I joined. I'm not into spamming unless I'm desperate to get some question answered.

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Mega-Mario
Posted on 07-31-13 12:13 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154501

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It's okay, but the post header is definitely not the right place for that. That silly text appears above every of your posts, making it confusing.

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NightKev
Posted on 07-31-13 02:03 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154502


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Posted by Chaobomr
Wait, what? Stupid plaintext header? It's there only to let others know how I pronounce my name!
You already have a signature... just put it in there. There's no reason to make it seem like it's part of the post body, that's just inane.

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Chaobomr
Posted on 07-31-13 02:49 AM (rev. 3 of 07-31-13 02:56 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 154503


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Posted by NightKev
You already have a signature... just put it in there. There's no reason to make it seem like it's part of the post body, that's just inane.


Okay, that makes sense. I'll get it fixed.
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By the way, How exactly do you get something better than a plaintext header?

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Xeruss
Posted on 07-31-13 03:52 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154504


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Posted by Mega-Mario
See. That Chaobomr guy has a stupid plaintext header, and noone has bothered to remove it. Xkeeper's previous rereg (E_NONAME) was able to make over 50 posts before getting banned, and Xkeeper isn't known for spamflooding this place.

Neither of those instances went personally unnoticed. In truth, I let both slide because I wanted to see if something -anything- interesting came from them. It's really boring here, as you know and I would have liked to see some indication I wasn't the only staff member who would correct something like that.

Though in the case of Xk's rereg, it's been my personal belief since before any sort of promotion that if someone has a habit of showing up periodically to vent their frustrations with the current state of things, you may as well let them get it out of their system before you silence them. The worst they can do is say something people don't want to hear. My response to that specific rereg is below.
Posted by Xeruss
I'm going to take an unconventional approach to this and let you guys air your thoughts. As long as you can keep it contained and civil.



Posted by Mega-Mario
'The staff' being blackhole89, since all the other staffers either have left or have other boards/projects that are more important to them than trying to moderate a board where barely anything happens.

Not quite true. I still check in frequently enough, but like most users I have nothing to contribute. Aside from the occasional housekeeping duties and some content work on the main page (which seems to have disappeared now), I've done nothing to improve the state of the board. Lunaria had many ideas, but they either weren't implemented or fizzled quickly (brony subforum).

The truth is, I've been hanging around sort of holding out hope that a massive change will just sort of occur on its own. The problem is I think that view is also held by the rest of the staff here. As it stands, board2 offers nothing to users that cannot be found elsewhere, and thereby its continued presence is unnecessary. Short of that somehow changing, this place is only going to fade further into obscurity.

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blackhole89
Posted on 08-01-13 05:22 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154514


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Posted by Mega-Mario
Not to mention that the way the site is being run lately, indicates how desperate blackhole89 is.

It appears to me that no effort is put into running the place other than deleting spambot crap.
Your notion of desperation seems pretty strange, unless you imagine me spending a significant amount of my time spinning on my chair and biting my nails over the board's fate while not doing anything (which I can assure you is not the case, and at any rate would be a pretty bold guess for you to wager).

Beyond that, your entire post completely misses several points with such gusto that one might think you are trying to play some sort of argumentative Touhou with points as bullets. For the benefit of increased understanding, let me point out a number of them.


First evidence of that showed over two years ago, with Flan. The guy would keep shitting over the board, and nothing was done to stop him, because Flan was filling the board with posts and blackhole89 loved that fact, regardless of the posts themselves.
Complete misinterpretation of what happened, although I will give you the benefit of doubt and assume that you were just misinformed rather than deliberately malicious. The event that triggered the hot stage of the Jul/board2 split was me disagreeing over Xkeeper thinking that "I don't like him" is a sufficient reason to ban Flan from #acmlm on sight - therefore I will freely admit that my stubbornness played a huge role in him being given an atypically long leash as I was reluctant to concede that if you forget about the reasoning, banning Flan on sight might indeed have been the right thing to do. At no point did I think that the board getting spammed up is a good thing.


Of course, privileging quantity over quality is bad. People started leaving because of that.
[dubious - discuss]

Another evidence I've seen is when blackhole89 would mute #acmlm to force people to use the board for their discussions.


Now, here's the dilemma: if it's b), why does blackhole89 still bother running the board?
Several copies of the answer to this can be found further up in the thread, but once again: it just keeps running on its own if I do nothing. Software inertia or something.


blackhole89 said that ROM hackers should be able to find whichever place is convenient for them to post their stuff. If it is the case, they don't need to be able to post here.
Your conclusion does not follow. One conclusion that does follow is that if they still post here, they must have some reason to do so, convenience, lack of available alternatives or otherwise.


They may want to look at the existing content, for documentations or whatever, but they aren't going to want to post here since nobody would reply.
In a thread whose premise is essentially "ROM hackers still seem to post here, what should we do in the light of that", this is disingenuous.


Oh, I don't really care anyway.
After posting this huge unformatted rant and grinding every axe you could possibly have to grind with me to powder in the process, this disclaimer seems a little silly.


Seriously, to all those calling for a shutdown: That is the last thing I can be bothered to do. I would have to come up with some nice closure announcement and graphic, figure out a sensible way to clean the database of personal data that people might not want to see published in a downloadable archive, answer questions from a stream of people questioning the decision, et cetera - all for an action which has no positive value whatsoever as far as I am concerned (giving other moribund boards such as Kafuka a defibrillator shot of ROM hackers who might leave for them over somewhere else doesn't really have appreciable value from my point of view). Since those calls furthermore generally seem to not address posts I have previously made explaining why not, I will henceforth stop responding to them in such detail and instead just link to this post or another one containing more or less the same explanations.

Riku
Posted on 08-07-13 07:17 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154544


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I'm content with the board being around. As it stands, it's a nostalgic part of my life. Having it around is quite nice. Plus, it's my way of checking up on regulars from forever ago.

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Posted on 08-17-13 03:49 AM Link | Quote | ID: 154579


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My personal suggestion is to archive the board and migrate the remaining members to whatever similar board would suit their tastes. Members who are around for social fun times probably are already connected through a different means than this board; members who come here for romhacking or other interests can find that elsewhere.

This has been the most gracious way I've seen forums die. For the romhackers, I would suggest migrating to romhacking dot net. It seems to be fairly active amongst the newbies still, and is still pretty laid back.

Until the random oldie comes in with petty grudges and makes an ass of themselves.

Mike-Tech
Posted on 08-17-13 05:35 PM Link | Quote | ID: 154580

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Posted by Celice
My personal suggestion is to archive the board and migrate the remaining members to whatever similar board would suit their tastes.
This has been the most gracious way I've seen forums die. For the romhackers, I would suggest migrating to romhacking dot net. It seems to be fairly active amongst the newbies still, and is still pretty laid back.



Hmm, I have been thinking about that throughout the year rom hacking.net is a good one.
If anything I may do "very"soon, is go back to zophar.net forum or move on to a dfferent reign board for rom hacking.

Personally I think its about time everyone still involved with board 2 to make a final choice on the matter.

Let board 2 live or have blackhole close it down and archive it.

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