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There is nothing left for me here but memories.

We can make new memories bby <3

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We can make new memories bby <3


This community is stagnant due to... whatever reason. No one I care to talk to much comes here anymore, and sorry but the newer users just don't interest me much. Maybe its the lack of womenz. (Real womenz). I dunno, I'm not the forum whisperer.

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You should try hanging around a while longer, or at least lurking in irc a bit before arriving at that conclusion. I wouldn't call the community here stagnant as much as I would call it small.

It's not like the heyday where there were a couple hundred daily users and a smaller set of 'regulars' within that. Nowadays, most of the 'regulars' are within the top 25 active users of the last year.

Not a terrible thing. While it has a ways to go yet, I'd say it's still better than it was a couple years ago. Really, the community seems to be improving, albeit slowly.


And don't be ridiculous, you know there aren't women on the internet.

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Last view: 4010 days 		I'm an avid IRC user, but I'm not a huge fan of the board2 IRC channel, assuming that the one I've periodically visited over the years was the right one. IMO, and this is just an opinion, IRC is a huge drag on board activity. For a long time here, posting really hasn't been encouraged, if you ask me. Too much got labeled as spam whereas in previous board incarnations it would just be people fucking around and having fun. Does the board even have a posting ranking anymore (ACS it used to be called)? I feel like maybe things have relaxed a bit but the posting environment a year or two ago was stifling.

And yes there are women on the internet, but most probably wouldn't admit it b/c we men are lustful dickheads on average and TITS OR GTFO trolls at worst.

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Posted by MathOnNapkins
I'm an avid IRC user, but I'm not a huge fan of the board2 IRC channel, assuming that the one I've periodically visited over the years was the right one. IMO, and this is just an opinion, IRC is a huge drag on board activity.
Quite possibly, but simply turning it off wouldn't cut it; people would just be offended and move on to the next channel.

For a long time here, posting really hasn't been encouraged, if you ask me. Too much got labeled as spam whereas in previous board incarnations it would just be people fucking around and having fun.
Again, there is the problem of a hard core of people thinking we still have too much spam and bad posts and aren't being harsh enough.

Does the board even have a posting ranking anymore (ACS it used to be called)?
Yes, although nobody actually writes entertaining commentary on it anymore.

I feel like maybe things have relaxed a bit but the posting environment a year or two ago was stifling.
We're trying to work on it...

And yes there are women on the internet, but most probably wouldn't admit it b/c we men are lustful dickheads on average and TITS OR GTFO trolls at worst.
Well, the point stands that the gender ratio on the board dropped in a way that is at least significantly correlated with the decline in activity. The question is whether there is causality and, if there is, how it is directed.

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Last view: 4010 days 		Just a quick perusal of the # of new posts per day over the past 3 years indicates stagnation to me. If you take into account population growth over that time, it could actually be considered a net loss in average posting, depending on how you crunched the numbers. Population inflation devalues post currency or some junk like that.

Do I have any solutions for you? I'm afraid not. But it's laughable to me that you have people worried about spam when you're averaging less than 100 posts a day. I'm pretty sure I made a statement similar to this a couple years ago at some point. If it's all crap then it's all crap. How can you really discern good posting from crap with such low activity anyways? As long as people aren't posting porn and trolling each other hard core who really gives a shit unless you've got 500+ posts of it to wade through as a moderator.

It just seems like something's wrong with this board but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps its the lack of bright colors, or the lack of new features or aesthetics that Jul has. I'm sure there's not one all encompassing answer.

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Posted by MathOnNapkins
If you take into account population growth over that time, it could actually be considered a net loss in average posting, depending on how you crunched the numbers. Population inflation devalues post currency or some junk like that.
If raw user numbers count, that is; many people have left.

Do I have any solutions for you? I'm afraid not. But it's laughable to me that you have people worried about spam when you're averaging less than 100 posts a day. I'm pretty sure I made a statement similar to this a couple years ago at some point. If it's all crap then it's all crap. How can you really discern good posting from crap with such low activity anyways? As long as people aren't posting porn and trolling each other hard core who really gives a shit unless you've got 500+ posts of it to wade through as a moderator.
And yet, it seems like there must be some kind of common-sense limit to that approach. Essentially, it could be said that ||board tried it; what it resulted in was a hard core of users with peculiar notions of what is fun leaving their marks on every single section and conversation thread until nobody but themselves was left, subsequently losing interest and leaving the forum to wither.

It just seems like something's wrong with this board but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps its the lack of bright colors, or the lack of new features or aesthetics that Jul has. I'm sure there's not one all encompassing answer.
That, I'm quite more inclined to agree with. Apart from something seemingly pointless like changing the default theme, though, I'm not entirely sure how one would properly address this shortfall.

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Posted on 07-08-11 07:14 PM (rev. 3 of 07-08-11 07:20 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 144733


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And yet, it seems like there must be some kind of common-sense limit to that approach. Essentially, it could be said that ||board tried it; what it resulted in was a hard core of users with peculiar notions of what is fun leaving their marks on every single section and conversation thread until nobody but themselves was left, subsequently losing interest and leaving the forum to wither.


I can't say I agree with you on this at all. ||board devolved into a troll fest very quickly due to a total lack of enforcing any rules. I gave up and started trolling too because what else was there to do? There were not any consequences to bad behavior.

But there's a difference between enforcing rules and being overbearing. And it's not a very subtle difference.

edit: Tons of threads get trashed over time, but why was this one not? Seems incongruous to me.

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Posted by MathOnNapkins
Too much got labeled as spam whereas in previous board incarnations it would just be people fucking around and having fun.

This statement I would agree with, although as you noted, things are more lax now then they were a couple years ago. However, I would like to add that part of the issue may be that when a seemingly productive new user arrives, if they make any of a number of posting faux pas, they are treated as though they have actually read the FAQ. Which, honestly, probably never gets read anymore.

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Posted by blackhole89
And yet, it seems like there must be some kind of common-sense limit to that approach. Essentially, it could be said that ||board tried it; what it resulted in was a hard core of users with peculiar notions of what is fun leaving their marks on every single section and conversation thread until nobody but themselves was left, subsequently losing interest and leaving the forum to wither.


I can't say I agree with you on this at all. ||board devolved into a troll fest very quickly due to a total lack of enforcing any rules. I gave up and started trolling too because what else was there to do? There were not any consequences to bad behavior.

But there's a difference between enforcing rules and being overbearing. And it's not a very subtle difference.

edit: Tons of threads get trashed over time, but why was this one not? Seems incongruous to me.


I'd argue the reason why "||board" didn't work is because it was asking it's core community to fundamentally alter its behavior by switching its main activity to forums rather than IRC.

Based on my time in board2's IRC channel, I don't think there's any relevance between people using IRC as opposed to using the board. I don't think you really want the main activity in IRC to be the main activity on the board, as it appears to mostly be Kawa and GreyMario sharing furry porn or talking about MLP.

Also some conversations are just better done in real time, and most IRC topics being handled when they are closer to on-topic for these forums seem better suited to that. Just my humble idler's opinion from watching KP, etc talk about things.

You might as well ask people to quit talking to each other on IM too and just go use the board.

Forums aren't really the main way people communicate productively, particularly, if they work with each other... it's a very inefficient form of communication in general.

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Posted on 07-08-11 08:22 PM (rev. 2 of 07-08-11 08:23 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 144737


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Well I'll concede the point that IRC activity may not correlate with board activity at all. The thing with ||board was that it still looked like the old acmlm's board, but in reality was nothing like it. It was #nobodysworld but in board form, as you say.

The point I'm more trying to make about IRC is that when your staff seems more interested in IRC than promoting board activity of whatever sort*, don't expect a lot of board activity.

* development, events, actually posting of their own accord in not in response

I don't think forum posting is going anywhere in the long term but I suppose it has been supplanted somewhat by the quickfire responses of facebook / twitter. Forum posting is generally only efficient when you have many people on several timezones around the world trying to communicate publicly. Perhaps people have gotten too impatient to wait for others to actually respond to forum posts anymore.

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Well I'll concede the point that IRC activity may not correlate with board activity at all. The thing with ||board was that it still looked like the old acmlm's board, but in reality was nothing like it. It was #nobodysworld but in board form, as you say.

The point I'm more trying to make about IRC is that when your staff seems more interested in IRC than promoting board activity of whatever sort*, don't expect a lot of board activity.

* development, events, actually posting of their own accord in not in response

I don't think forum posting is going anywhere in the long term but I suppose it has been supplanted somewhat by the quickfire responses of facebook / twitter. Forum posting is generally only efficient when you have many people on several timezones around the world trying to communicate publicly. Perhaps people have gotten too impatient to wait for others to actually respond to forum posts anymore.



^ basically this is why I'd assume board2 isn't super active.

Also it's a rom hacking board, I'd assume the massive amounts of activity that were on the previous board were due to the larger general community, but now that this community has been pealed back down to its rom hackers and some RPers alone more or less.....

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Well, but it's not like all forums are dying out either... I'd say it's fairly evident that, compared to IRC or even Facebook chats, forum posting does have several advantages which mostly stem from the possible length, arbitrary time available for thinking your posts through and extensive formatting options. It's just a matter of motivating people to, or even finding people who, appreciate those advantages sufficiently to prefer it over other means of communication available.

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Well, but it's not like all forums are dying out either... I'd say it's fairly evident that, compared to IRC or even Facebook chats, forum posting does have several advantages which mostly stem from the possible length, arbitrary time available for thinking your posts through and extensive formatting options. It's just a matter of motivating people to, or even finding people who, appreciate those advantages sufficiently to prefer it over other means of communication available.


I think people moved off forums and onto blogs. tbh

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I think blogs are something different altogether... I can't even see how they would replace forums for someone unless that someone does what people would call using forums like they are their blog.

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Pharyngula has The Endless Thread. Is that close?

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Posted by blackhole89
I think blogs are something different altogether... I can't even see how they would replace forums for someone unless that someone does what people would call using forums like they are their blog.
Well for many of the areas I'm interested in, the main conversation has moved away from forums entirely, and almost exclusively onto blogs.


for this place, the tremendous population cut plus lack of diverse time zones is probably a major factor

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I think blogs are something different altogether... I can't even see how they would replace forums for someone unless that someone does what people would call using forums like they are their blog.
Well for many of the areas I'm interested in, the main conversation has moved away from forums entirely, and almost exclusively onto blogs.


for this place, the tremendous population cut plus lack of diverse time zones is probably a major factor

I don't know about blogs exclusively--stuff like mathoverflow for math and reddit for whatever those people are seem to be coming into vogue.

e: for an individual/group of collaborators who disseminate and circulate information i think blogs work well

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Pharyngula has The Endless Thread. Is that close?


Pharyngula is anomalous

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