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al2fenrir
Posted on 07-31-10 11:06 AM Link | Quote | ID: 133652


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I wanted to be a QM scientist, but my brain can't carry the load. So, I'll just aim for Doctor of Philosophy in nursing instead. After all, I'm already a nurse. All I have to do is level up.

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Trelior
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Well, I want to be a programmer to some degree, which is why I went to college for it... So I can code poorly and get paid big money for it. Maybe.

Which is precisely why I'm a cashier at Lowe's right now... Right? Nah, I doubt it.

al2fenrir
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While we are still alive, there is a chance we may eventually reach our dreams. Well, we can't determine really, it's pretty much like the Schrödinger's cat setup.

But then again, you'll never know if you don't try.

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KP9000
Posted on 08-01-10 11:13 PM Link | Quote | ID: 133698


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Posted by Trelior
Which is precisely why I'm a cashier at Lowe's right now... Right? Nah, I doubt it.
I'm a stocker at Big Lots and I feel it's a totally relevant decision to gain experience in this field prior to my employment at NASA's moon base.

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I'm going to be a mathemagician and I hope I'll get to meet awesome people like Lurie, do algebraic geometry/topology and differential geometry and topos theory.

I'll tell you what I'm not going to do, and that's laze around doing nothing, indulging in petty leisures, since consumption is only for lazy faggots.

Posted by KP9000
Posted by Trelior
Which is precisely why I'm a cashier at Lowe's right now... Right? Nah, I doubt it.
I'm a stocker at Big Lots and I feel it's a totally relevant decision to gain experience in this field prior to my employment at NASA's moon base.

Work experience, maybe, but you're just kidding yourself if you think it's a great idea to not finish your bachelor's degree--preferably in a science field. I've told you before on IRC that you can get tedious coursework out of the way through accredited community colleges, and then transfer over to a four-year university once you're gotten the hang of calculus, physics, linear algebra, differential equations, etc. If you want to be a pilot, you have to log 1000 flight hours on a (fighter?) jet, so going the military route might be easier if you're considering that. Without a degree or relevant work experience, you are just wasting valuable time and making yourself less and less of a viable candidate. If you don't hurry up, you'll be lucky to be working with anything related with spacecraft unless you go on that Virgin space thingy. The older you get, the less likely they'll consider you, and if you wait too long you'll be too old by the time you finish school and get a job doing anything tangentially related to spacecraft. You can't just be fit or smart, you truly have to be at the top of your class and be in top physical condition, or you might as well give up, seeing as there are only 10~20 spots for astronauts and not that many more for NASA employees doing outer-space stuffs. You might be better off doing astrology or taking an interest in it, since you'll be hard-pressed to find internships for "astronaut practice" although you can join programs where students stimulate being on Mars or the moon or whereever in the middle of the desert--maybe living in the middle of a racist shithole paid off!

Posted by al2fenrir
I wanted to be a QM scientist, but my brain can't carry the load. So, I'll just aim for Doctor of Philosophy in nursing instead. After all, I'm already a nurse. All I have to do is level up.


Seeing as you're already a nurse, you must have completed some math coursework, and the only thing holding back people from understanding things like physics is a pathetically meagre understanding of math--something which basically anyone can learn, just like I suggested to KP, you might want to start with calculus and linear algebra, and move on to things like differential equations or differential geometry if you want to understand nonlinear phenomena. It's not a matter of talent or anything like that, but just solving lots of problems and thinking seriously about the coursework.

Since both of you might be interested in math/sciencey-stuff, I thought I might suggest this intro text modeled after the course taught to Russian schoolchildren which gives the reader a good feel for mathematics, without having to know a ton beforehand. Requisites are minimal, just knowing how to work with basic stuff like the quadratic equation, and not slacking off/giving up. If anyone wants to start up a thread to work through it together, I'd love to help anyone out. Of course if you want to continue living vicariously through the efforts of others it's always a plus in science where cheerleading results you understand nothing about is clearly the best option. This 80 page typset lecture notes will put you in shape to attack mathematical texts at will, and is very careful to define and motivate everything very carefully (it's for schoolchildren after all!). Right now you probably have the mathematical sophistication of a Middle Ages commoner, perhaps less, since at least they thoroughly went through Euclid's Elements.

If anyone is interested, there are several good books on Calculus at the beginner level, several excellent books on linear algebra which is essential, and one good book for differential equations (VI Arnold's). Most modern treatments (younger than a few centuries old) of any physical theories will likely involve differential equations/geometry, for example everything from mechanics, electrodynamics, gauge theory, elasticity, gravitation, deformation theory, image processing, modern 3D game design (computational differential geometry involving meshes and stuff), fluid dynamics, anything involving MRIs, game mechanics...the list goes on, and that's just a few things that those two subjects (which are closely related) shed light on. Basically, math is super useful throughout the sciences, requires no expensive experiments or even a certain level of technology, yet has tremendous applicability with very little effort. I've found books like Fifty Challenging Problems in Probability with Solutions, a slim book with lots of "puzzle" like problems which you can piece together the math you need, can often be attempted by said Dark Ages denizens along with much of the classical geometry pioneered by H.M. Coxeter. On second thoughts, if you want to go for calculus, the traditionally-taught calculus of real numbers is not as intuitive and easy -to-grasp as its complex counterpart, which has lots of very nice geometric examples. In a similar line of thought, the famous popularizer of mathematics, John Conway, has written a beautiful book filled with pictures and aimed at a solidly lay-audience, called The Symmetries of Things will prepare you for the group theory used in quantum mechanics (or if you want to cut the foreplay and try a physicist's classic, The Theory of Groups and Quantum Mechanics by Hermann Weyl is a great place to start, just like how his groundbreaking (yet very accessible) essays on spaces that led to the idea of differential geometry, The Concept of a Riemann Surface keeps things simple and at the level of surfaces which we are familiar with, like a sphere, a saddle-surface or a paraboloid.

For example Calculus, by Michael Spivak is an excellent introduction, although if you like applied books, Calculus, Vol. 1: One-Variable Calculus with an Introduction to Linear Algebra (Second Edition) (Volume 1) by Tom M. Apostol along with Calculus, Vol. 2: Multi-Variable Calculus and Linear Algebra with Applications by Tom M. Apostol will teach you calculus, differential equations and linear algebra all in one fell swoop with lots of motivating examples to make sure you understand stuff. Otherwise, Gilbert Strang wrote the book which goes with the MIT OCW linear algebra course, which can be helpful if you like that sort of thing. When you think you understand calculus and linear algebra okay, then trying out VI Arnold's Ordinary Differential Equations gives a good taste for what dynamical systems/time-evolving systems/differential equations in the modern language of differential geometry.

Most of these books can readily be found online, but it'd just take forever to upload all of them, so only the first one links to a PDF (perhaps the only one you should read for a starter). If anyone is serious about learning some maths, I can start up a thread, and since this board has wonderous LaTeX maths it can be done very easily (or use unicode i guess).

Setzer
Posted on 08-06-10 07:13 PM Link | Quote | ID: 133970


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I plan to be a Computer Programmer, because one of my brothers does that and he can help me out with my schooling. My other brother is an IT, I believe. I'll have to check into those two.

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Anya
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Gaming journalist. I've been writing for a site for a couple of months now but nothing mainstream...yet.

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Posted on 08-07-10 03:51 PM (rev. 4 of 08-09-10 06:23 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 134011


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Seeing as you're already a nurse, you must have completed some math coursework, and the only thing holding back people from understanding things like physics is a pathetically meagre understanding of math--something which basically anyone can learn, just like I suggested to KP, you might want to start with calculus and linear algebra, and move on to things like differential equations or differential geometry if you want to understand nonlinear phenomena. It's not a matter of talent or anything like that, but just solving lots of problems and thinking seriously about the coursework.


To be honest, I wish to learn but I don't have much time on my hands now. Math may take months to master. Although I am studying it here on my PC, I am grasping it slowly.

And yes, we did have basic algebra, trigonometry, and geometry stuff learned at school. QM is outside of the field of nursing although we tackled physics, but to be honest, most nurses here are too stupid to understand physics. Last time, I argued with a colleague about an oxygen tank. He said it blows up with fire. I argued that it won't because for combustion to take effect, it needs heat, fuel, and oxygen, but oxygen alone won't produce a flame because it merely promotes combustion. I even told them to read physics books, but they still refuse to do so and keep on arguing. Guess what happened. They all ganged up on me, and argued that it does blow up. They thought it blows up because of the "no smoking" label. They find my argument false, but when you tell them that there is a god who pulls strings on us, they would immediately believe. Like I said - stupid.


Since both of you might be interested in math/sciencey-stuff


Pardon me, but I don't think QM belongs to sciencey. Sciency refers to BS that sounds too good to be true, am I correct? But QM is not BS. Its theories are already being tested back in Fermilab, and so far, so good.

Before I took up nursing, I took up Computer Science, and we deal with symbolic logic and stuff because, it's somehow related. The dataflow, the process, the equations they are almost identical to that of QM's, only that QM deals with our reality, while CS deals with virtual reality, that's where I get to like QM. Furthermore, I like QM because of its philosophical side. It not only deals with equation, but it also involves scientific philosophy.

Thanks for the references. By the way, QM deals with a lot of mathematical equations. As a math expert among us, I think you should try it out. With your level of expertise, QM will be a piece of cake.

EDIT: I don't want to sound bullshit, so I'm going to edit this part...

"Because, it's somehow related. The dataflow, the process, the equations they are almost identical to that of QM's, only that QM deals with our reality, while CS deals with virtual reality"

What I mean to say is that QM and CS both deal in terms of mathematical equation. But that's not what really intrigues me... it's the resemblance. In a computer, we can create what we call virtual reality, just try to imagine how a mere code could create a world that could be visualized by the aid of our monitors. This computer world has it's own program (its own natural laws). But to think that they are just data interpreted by our PCs and displayed right on our monitor for us to see is kind of fascinating.

Our reality is no different. We are interpreting what the atoms, subatomic particles hold for us. Our universe is also a form of an equation, it's made of data. Our brain interprets it as our reality via our senses. It's our brain that produces the picture, the sound, the aroma, the flavor, and most importantly, the feeling (nothing more than chemical reactions within the body).

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Nikolaj
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I want to be a web designer or what the hell that suff is called (Making websites).
Or maybe a programmer.

Ice Penguin
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Posted by KP9000
I'm a stocker at Big Lots and I feel it's a totally relevant decision to gain experience in this field prior to my employment at NASA's moon base.

I change my mind. You are my hero.

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I'll probably be an inde game developer, or a web designer. Either one's fine.

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I aim to be a game developer or a game tester...not sure which to pick yet though. least i can get paid for both...you get paid to test games right?

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I think developer would pay more. Also, you get more credit.

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Flan
Posted on 08-15-10 08:34 AM Link | Quote | ID: 134387


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me and blacky gonna be mathematicians or die trying

Haz
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Posted by SX
me and blacky gonna be mathematicians or die trying

Well, you're obviously not going to be a linguist.

I think you can do it, you seem to have quite a bit of math knowledge. As for blacky, well, I'm pretty sure he could do most anything he wanted.

Flan
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Posted by Haz
Posted by SX
me and blacky gonna be mathematicians or die trying

Well, you're obviously not going to be a linguist.

I think you can do it, you seem to have quite a bit of math knowledge. As for blacky, well, I'm pretty sure he could do most anything he wanted.

yay.

what do you want to do haz? you seem like a talented dude and i'm sure you'll be fine no matter what you choose to do. =)
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