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| Main - ROM Hacking - SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 4 - Hacking & Editor Efforts | New thread | New reply |
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 Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 10/29 EXP: 5283 Next: 702 Since: 03-07-21 From: Ypsilanti, MI Last post: 964 days Last view: 941 days |
Posted by XAIXER you can pick up the metal thing and then when you let go, it launches, whoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pDc-QOBW4E Once the bubble is popped, that little gray sliver is probably due to using the wrong graphic set. Or possibly this is just a junk item that doesn't work. But since they don't float and mario seems to push them, doesn't seem like it's the floating block. I have been brute forcing the game over the past several days. I wrote a script that creates a level with one object in it, runs it, and if it doesn't crash, takes a screenshot. I am doing that with every object id in the game for 4 and 5 byte objects, all banks. I will also do it for sprites. This takes a long time. About 20 hours to fully dump one object set, so about a week or more to fully dump everything. It has enabled be to discover the ids, parameters and banks for many objects, just about all of them. I am pretty sure after this is over, the only unknowns object/sprite wise will be things that don't have show up visually in the game. It has also discovered objects that I'm sure nintendo would consider incorrect, but are still kinda cool so I might add them to the editor anyway 
And anyone familiar with this eyeball? I've never seen it before 
and btw, this is what I mean by brute forcing, a small sampling of the output, it's super useful!  |
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Goomba Level: 13 Posts: 26/33 EXP: 10183 Next: 84 Since: 05-30-16 From: The Ends of Eternity Last post: 1032 days Last view: 510 days |
Amazing work! ____________________ ~XAIXER |
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Newcomer Level: 6 Posts: 5/8 EXP: 785 Next: 122 Since: 01-04-21 Last post: 824 days Last view: 394 days |
Great Work wow |
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Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 11/29 EXP: 5283 Next: 702 Since: 03-07-21 From: Ypsilanti, MI Last post: 964 days Last view: 941 days |
I'm now well under way dumping all sprites. The dump revealed this clock which I've never seen before
When you collect it, it just stops the timer for about 3 real world seconds. It doesn't stop time altogether (for example enemies keep moving), so so far it seems kinda bland. But maybe there's more to it? 
EDIT floating bubble with payloads inside? whoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoyJJWKmAbw Pretty sure you should be able to put any payload inside. Sadly, I have not found any way to pop the bubble, nor can Mario stand on it. |
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Goomba Level: 13 Posts: 27/33 EXP: 10183 Next: 84 Since: 05-30-16 From: The Ends of Eternity Last post: 1032 days Last view: 510 days |
Found the stopwatch: https://tcrf.net/Super_Mario_Advance_4:_Super_Mario_Bros._3/Unused_Objects#Stopwatch ____________________ ~XAIXER |
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Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 12/29 EXP: 5283 Next: 702 Since: 03-07-21 From: Ypsilanti, MI Last post: 964 days Last view: 941 days |
Oh nice, I missed that. I found more unused things that seems TCRF doesn't have yet, so could contribute there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT-qFvvKV_E I have put all my videos into this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHpd9DwlchgNiYuotmrfFE70g-ksEbrxd omg, I love the baby cheep cheeps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw5k3jCPgl8 baby cheep cheeps are normally spit out by big bertha (giant fish) in underwater levels. So not unused. But still cool they can be used on their own. |
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Goomba Level: 13 Posts: 28/33 EXP: 10183 Next: 84 Since: 05-30-16 From: The Ends of Eternity Last post: 1032 days Last view: 510 days |
Lots of that stuff seems to be leftover from previous Mario Advances. One-way door from SMA3, ? Ball from SMA2. Wouldn't suprise me if most/all of the data from Advance 1-3 was in 4. ____________________ ~XAIXER |
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Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 13/29 EXP: 5283 Next: 702 Since: 03-07-21 From: Ypsilanti, MI Last post: 964 days Last view: 941 days |
Posted by XAIXER The one way doors are also used in SMA4, in the level Doors o' Plenty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkGqpg1xFrM I just screwed up and had the tiles that are actually for the seesaw platform being used, which made them seem like a new kinda door. I finished dumping the sprites, but I am missing a lot. For example no koopalings showed up among many other that are missing. So I am positive there is more to find. I have some ideas in mind to run a few experiments to better understand how the sprite graphic set bytes work. I am hoping that will lead me to find the rest of the sprites, and possibly more stuff from other SMA games like you said? That would rock.
Yeah I will make an offline version eventually. It probably won't be for a good while though. I want to at the very least get ereader level creation really locked down. I am also planning to move into main game level creation and overworld editing so people can make entire games. But that's a long ways off. The offline version will be truly offline, it will save levels locally. People have been asking me to make a discord for smaghetti. I'm not a huge fan of chat though :-/ So I've been considering making a subreddit for it. |
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Goomba Level: 13 Posts: 29/33 EXP: 10183 Next: 84 Since: 05-30-16 From: The Ends of Eternity Last post: 1032 days Last view: 510 days |
A forum would be a good idea. A Discord server might work too, no need for webhosting. ____________________ ~XAIXER |
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Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 14/29 EXP: 5283 Next: 702 Since: 03-07-21 From: Ypsilanti, MI Last post: 964 days Last view: 941 days |
I'm definitely not starting my own forum, that is a lot of work (and potentially cost). The editor alone is plenty of work
I'll hold off for now. There's a little demand right now but not a ton just yet. |
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Goomba Level: 13 Posts: 30/33 EXP: 10183 Next: 84 Since: 05-30-16 From: The Ends of Eternity Last post: 1032 days Last view: 510 days |
@Plokzig If you can find a host, I can help with a forum. ____________________ ~XAIXER |
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Goomba Level: 13 Posts: 31/33 EXP: 10183 Next: 84 Since: 05-30-16 From: The Ends of Eternity Last post: 1032 days Last view: 510 days |
I meant that I could help manage a forum. I don't have time for full forum ownership. ____________________ ~XAIXER |
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Level: 18 Posts: 55/89 EXP: 28429 Next: 1468 Since: 03-05-21 Last post: 1028 days Last view: 1027 days |
The increase of a topic to talk into, bringing in new users and fresh content, would also help with the board as a whole (and presumably BH/QC's motivations) in terms of activity, which would be nice. Another positive for possibly going for this approach rather than relying on somewhere separate, using somewhere that's often readily online and relatively easy to use from a user standpoint.
I wonder if blackhole89 would be willing to take the plunge of adding a specific section and giving you and city41 local moderator permissions in any case. Might be worth PMing him about it if one of you two feel like it might be a good idea, presumably if interest is spiking up elsewhere. |
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Goomba Level: 11 Posts: 16/29 EXP: 5283 Next: 702 Since: 03-07-21 From: Ypsilanti, MI Last post: 964 days Last view: 941 days |
That's a good idea. For now the interest is low, but the people who are interested seem really interested. I like that, I prefer a small passionate group if I had a choice.
I started a new thread here for it. I thought that's a good first step http://acmlm.kafuka.org/board/thread.php?id=9306 |
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 Giant Red Paratroopa Level: 77 Posts: 1438/1443 EXP: 4171745 Next: 19384 Since: 06-15-08 From: Earth Last post: 20 days Last view: 20 days |
Any decision will be up to  blackhole89, but if I may, I will provide some points to consider. I will do so in this thread since it's where the relevant discussion is, and so I don't derail the new thread for your editor, Smaghetti.
Firstly and perhaps most importantly, congratulations on the progress of your editor so far. It's always amazing to see such efforts from those who are passionate enough about their favourite games to build utilities and form communities based around creating new experiences for everyone to enjoy. Posted by PlokzigIf the interest is there, I wouldn't be against an idea that could help bring about positive and productive board activity, and would be rewarding for both the board and the continuously growing community that will come from a new editor for a game that has always had interest, as proven by the existence of this thread, initially created back in 2009. Posted by PlokzigIn my personal opinion, before any additional forum sections are added, I believe enough significant, increased board activity needs to occur first. Not that it needs to be pointed out, but the main ROM Hacking section is inactive enough that there is not really an immediate necessity or benefit to creating an entirely new section for one specific game at this current time. This applies to any given game, and not only specifically Super Mario Advance 4. To be honest, the individual games sections that do already exist haven't had much activity on a regular basis for years, either. This is an example that not everyone currently here was necessarily around for, but back around the time this main thread was initially opened, there was a lot of SMB3 (NES) hacking going on. There were even requests for SMB3 to receive its own section due to the number of active projects for the game, with multiple hacks and even utilities in development around the time. Ultimately, however, it still didn't get its own section. Unfortunately, we cannot play favourites, and we cannot just create individual sections anytime a new editor or other project is created and generates a little bit of interest and traffic, nor do I believe that blackhole89 is eager to just hand out Local Moderator or Full Moderator positions left and right to anyone working on and/or supporting a project.
However, I'm not suggesting that it's not still worth asking blackhole89 about it. You never know. However, I think there's still a safe guess...Posted by city41From my personal experience, to be honest, I feel that Discord might be a more beneficial option. Reddit is nice and all, and very active for its strong individual communities, as well as for delivering important world news and opinions to your eyes efficiently. However, it works better for general chat on the specific topics at hand. For projects and development purposes, or simply more involved subjects and discussions, I feel like the Discord setup actually works better. You can create specialized sections as opposed to your "Subreddit" having all the threads thrown together in a big mess. Plus, the organization of said threads can become hectic and seemingly random fairly quickly. With Discord, you can pin multiple important messages in all of your sections/channels for people to quickly find important resources and up-to-date information. With Reddit, if I recall correctly, you can have two (2) individual threads pinned at any given time, and everything else has the likelihood of disappearing and not being so easily found over time. I didn't immediately join Discord or consider its usefulness, but once I did, I came to understand the benefits and potential for building connections, and when it comes to projects, sharing progress and receiving potential feedback more swiftly and meaningfully. Much like Skype was approximately a decade or so ago, Discord is the apparent go-to for people searching out unique communities, quick access to information, and direct, effective communication. Posted by city41I prefer a small, passionate group myself, since it's easier to manage, and because for a long time now, I haven't really had much free time to focus on personal projects anyway, so dealing with a larger group of people on a more regular basis is, unfortunately, beyond my reach right now. Regarding Board 2 as a main destination for a community focused on Smaghetti and Super Mario Advance 4 hacking, your potential audience and outreach might already be compromised without your knowledge and beyond your control due to past community conflicts, splits, and again, the fact that the current Board 2 activity situation has been what it has been for years now. In fact, we seemingly almost completely lost Board 2 last year (in 2020) due to unforeseeable circumstances. So, for the sake of archiving your project's development, progress, communication, backup, etc. I will outright admit and advise anyone involved that, unfortunately, you cannot depend on online resources not in your immediate control, and that they will always be around for you and your community to use and/or have anything important always saved and readily available, or that any personal connections unique to specific destinations aren't always at risk of being lost without alternative considerations. For the sake of your editor and those interested in using it, I personally believe that, if you aren't immediately interested in your own forum/message board/other online destination that would consume personal time and financial resources that you aren't currently willing to dedicate (whether that may or may not always be the case or by choice), considering that most people probably already have their own Discord accounts in this time and age, again, a small Discord might be beneficial. Reasonably, you could start both a Discord and a Reddit board, advertise for both, and see which is more beneficial to you over time, for both participation, and for any beneficial feedback that furthers the progress and debugging of your editor's development, and all of the new levels that people eagerly produce to share with one another in your community. city41: Depending on what you decide moving forward for a potential community built around Smaghetti, I could offer to advertise and link to your new project thread through what was once called the "Points of Required Attention" in the upper-right corner of the screen while navigating through the board. It would be visible on the front page, so for anyone who actually visits the board who somehow doesn't know about your project, they might learn about it more easily than having to try to find the thread themselves. If you manage to decide on a Discord, Reddit, or other destination as well, I could provide the relevant direct link(s) up there, too. I'm not sure how blackhole89 would feel about my offer, but it's what little I can suggest with regards to encouraging and pushing for your project's continuous progress and hopeful success. Even if I decided to take a chance and just create a Super Mario Advance 4 section right here and now just to see whether or not it helps to produce hopeful board activity and push your project more in a positive direction, I don't actually have the magical powers to do that. So, we'll all have to wait to see if anything comes from that idea.
As always, best of luck. Looking forward to what comes next. You can do it. |
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