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| Main - ROM Hacking - The Rockman Zero X-Style Hack Project | New thread | New reply |
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 Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 4/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Greetings members of Board2. Some of you may know of this already from Romhacking. net or Sprites.INC , but I want to tell you it anyway.
I was always bothered about Zero´s appearance and abilities in his games, so I ve decided to create sprites in hope to create someday a hack of the Rockman Zero Series. But to create a hack isn´t that easy. So I have come to you, in hope you may help me by my project, since Lumine suggested that I should come here. Here now the list of things which I want to have in all Zero Games: - Airdash - Doublejump and improvement of Kuuenbu, the spining slash - The Combosystem of Zero 3 - Voices for Zero ( We will use Omega´s voice because it is possible) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgqZuvW8_w - Zero´s appearance in the game, meaning to change every sprite and Mugshot, also the shown artwork in the game itself. - Blood - Zero can duck like in X5 and X6 (-music change) Thanks to Ryusui, a member of Romhacking.net, I can now hack colourpalettes and to some degree tiles, but I want more. Here in this thread you can see all of my work here. I have started to sprite just for this one purpose alone. It is my wish to give the Zero Fans back that feel, if they play the very same Zero. Not for a long time I have also seen japanese people, who want to do the same thing. http://joy.atbbs.jp/rmz/ However, I´m far from to be completed. I am dependent on you, since I´m a half-autist and I cannot handle stress well. What I hate are these blackouts, if I want to sprite. It steals much my time and I won´t be able to process that way. Xterra and NDraxian from Sprite.INC want to help me in my cause, but they have so much less time. I hope that someday my dream will be fullfilled. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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 CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1361/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
If I remember correctly, in one game...
Spoiler:
...you have to fight your "old body", implied to be the MMX Zero, but it's exactly the same sprite, colored darker. The hell's up with that anyway? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks  — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 7/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Inti Creates has just changed the artstyle, to make reploids appear more human, since they want to expand their series up to Rockman Dash.
It it just the style, so everything is changed for that purpose. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1362/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
Style is one thing. Replacing Zero's entire armor is another. Where's the frikken boob lights? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 8/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Sorry, but this is not right place to discuss why this or this is not in the Zero Series. My goal in this project is to bring that features back.
Open a thread about this question in another section, than I will discuss with you about it.^^ ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1369/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
I found my old data files from way back when I did this exact thing. If you hook me up with an MMZ1 or 3 ROM, preferably the American release, I'll see what I can do. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 11/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
You are willed to help, that is really great. At first we should make the blood/oil make to appear again. We will work from the first game, to the latest. So we will start with Megaman Zero 1.
I should prepare better now a forum for this purpose, since I have asked many people on many different boards. About the version of the ROM. We all will use the (U) Version. So see you later, I have to create a board. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1379/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
One thing I want to know from you though -- how did I do this? Edit: Just in case someone else feels like answering for him, when I said "you" I meant Thanatos-Zero. 
 ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 12/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Well I havent that much knowledge, but I guess the colours for the blood got a transparent colour, meaning that the values must be 0000 or FFFF. It could also be the case that the tiles for the blood got removed.
In the first case, we have just to compare the colours of the japanese and the american version in the palette viewer. If we see a difference we can change it easly with the HEX editor and have the blood back. The other case is more complicated. It could be that the blood tiles just got the very same colour, which makes it difficult to recover. So this are your sprites? Looks neat.^^ ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1393/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
Not much knowledge indeed. You imply the GBA has per-pixel alpha blending or some such shit. It does not.
I'm going to do some research into the blood censoring, be right back. 
They probably just cleaned out the tileset. Comparing the two roms in a tile editor, there would be a gaping hole where the blood should be. Oh, you never did answer my question. How did I do it? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 13/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Oh, did I? My bad.^^
If the tileset is cleaned, than you just need to fill the place where the blood should be. Either you copy and paste it with TileMolester or you upload them, meaning that you should have the ripped tiles in your hand already. Unfortunatly I have no ripped tiles of the blood, also Sprites.INC appears to lack of those sprites too. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1394/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
Get a copy of the Japanese rom, find the blood, open the American version, go to the same offset. Assuming things didn't shift around too much, you should recognize a whole bunch of graphics nearby... and probably a hole where the blood can be pasted in, rom to rom.
And you still didn't answer the question. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 14/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
*facepalm*
Now I got it. You was not asking how to make the blood to reappear, you wanted to know how to set the tiles for Zero, so it appears like in your animations. Sorry that I haven´t got that sooner. Okay, open with TileProLayer or TileMolester the wished ROM and search for the tiles. If you found them, then recolour the palette to make them even more recogniseable. It would be the best to recolour the palette with the same colours of your edited sprite, to paste those edited sprites later in the ROM to avoid errors. It must be converted first in a bmp data, that is important because some game systems do not allow PNG or JPEG for example. Now to the fun. After you have found the tiles, resize the window where the tiles are shown as small as possible. Press now (+) or (-), to make the tiles to move. Hold the buttom until the tiles are shaped as a whole sprite. After this you upload now your sprites ( not the whole spritesheet, just one sprite, if won´t mess with the free space of the ROM). However, just watch out not to exceed the tiles of 8x8, because if you do, you could cause some nasty glitches. If you still want to exceed the sprite in heigh or lenght, you need to learn to create extra tiles, for this sprite, but that isn´t easy. If your sprites do not exeed the limit, then you will be just fine. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1395/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
Close. Real close. I'd tell you how I did it, but I'm feeling evil. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 15/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
So was my advice helpful for you? Anything done yet? ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1418/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
Your advice was no help at all. Here's some of my own: using sprite sheets from the internets to draw your edits on (as you showed in Modern Art) is a fairly bad idea -- a lot of tiles may be shared among animation frames.
Did you know that not only is Zero's ponytail animated seperately, but that the ponytail tiles also contains bits of his body? Also, notice how this demonstrates another important reason not to depend on sheets too much: his helmet and knuckles are seperated. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 17/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Posted by Kawa This is a shame, that I was no help at all. 
Posted by Kawa Yes, I know it, since I`ve tried TPL. I guess I can´t be any help for you anymore. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1419/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
I know I can be of help to you. Help in destroying your dream -- I decided to go over your little wish list.
Editing the available moves is right out. You can't just waltz in there and implement air dash, double jump or a combo system. Slightly less far-fetched is changing sounds and music. Assuming the Zero series uses the music engine I think it uses, sound samples are raw wave data and we have ample music changing experience -- just ask the Pokémon hackers. Zero's appearance is a given. The cutscenes might be a problem if they're compressed, but that's not a very big problem. Blood we have already been over. Ducking? See above. ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 18/423 EXP: 652470 Next: 7694 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1084 days Last view: 1047 days |
Posted by Kawa I would rather say, we skip those plans for now. Posted by KawaUntil we got enough knowledge to install them with ASM. It is a far way to come to that point. Posted by Kawa Interresting. I will ask them, but they will need some suggestions for sure. Posted by Kawa The only problem is to to adjust the tiles properly. That´s is the only problem I assume. Posted by Kawa So, I guess you have sucessfully refilled the tiles? Posted by Kawa Yeah, that can we skip too. Fortunatly we have already duck poses for Zero. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 1420/5344 EXP: 30928958 Next: 734023 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4491 days Last view: 2627 days |
It is a far way to come to that point. Smart thing to say. Interresting. I will ask [the Pokémon hackers.] Not so smart. What I meant was that thanks to Pokémon hacking, we have an intricate knowledge of the common GBA music engine. The only problem is to to adjust the tiles properly. That´s is the only problem I assume. You assume correctly. That's why I export blocks of tiles from TM to PaintShop and back. I'd use TM exclusively, but this allows me more editing freedom. (think selections) So, I guess you have sucessfully refilled the tiles? No, I only stated a theory. I don't have any Japanese versions to put it into practice with. Update: I did some quick checks on the music. I now have all I need to put Zero's Theme from MMX in all four games.
____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
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