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Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 98/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
5+2 colours actually, since it uses a second sprite for more colours.. The NES can handle 24+8 at the screen in one time. 12 for sprites and 12 for the background objects.
To your question. Rockman also uses the same amount of colours (5+2). Just count his colours. Robot Masters have usually a palette of 5+2 colours, but there are some exceptions like Pharao Man(6+2) and Splash Woman (7+3!). ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
Bukkarooo |
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Fuzzy Son of a bitch, I'm sick of these dolphins... Level: 59 Posts: 692/778 EXP: 1634303 Next: 38825 Since: 10-15-08 From: Florida Last post: 5183 days Last view: 4951 days |
setz |
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Spike fuck~ Level: 58 Posts: 720/722 EXP: 1536843 Next: 40703 Since: 02-19-07 From: Pittsburgh, PA Last post: 5290 days Last view: 2577 days |
if you're going to go with NES restrictions, why only stick with the color counts? It wouldn't be 5+2, it'd be 4+4, and many of these would just cause flicker hell on the NES, yes it can handle the color count, but it cant handle the amount of sprites, any more than 8 on a line and things get nasty.
i took a quick look at one of your sprites, armor man, and almost every 8x8 sprite would have to be layered, causing about 7 per line, for him alone, throw in bullets and megamans (3-5?) sprites and you're not going to have a very sight-friendly game. The colors also don't look like they come from anywhere in the NES palette. The poses for almost all of these also look pretty bland- would you want your robot master sitting around looking bored or in a more battle-ready pose. You might not really give a shit about hitting those NES limitations and thats fine, but i'd suggest not going halfway. I've done a lot of NES-restriction artwork in my day and I'd have to say its very rewarding to come up with something that looks nice under those limitations, and it can really push your creativity to new levels. I made a quickie that might help illustrate my points of making it more NES-correct, new pose, and better usage of sprites. That was pretty quickly done, and not entirely accurate to your design. I'd suggest trying to stick to NES restrictions for a few and have fun with it, I've always enjoyed doing that anyway. edit: there is also this image thats been floating around pixelation, it might help. http://img267.imageshack.us/i/nesspecsl5.gif/ ____________________ |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 99/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
Thanks Nick, but I'm now surprised that alone the height x width and the aditional shading causes the usage of more sprite layers, than I have thought.
I will take your advice into the heart, whenever I shall sprite. So if I understand right, one sprite has the place for seven 8x8 fields. Is that correct? ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
setz |
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Spike fuck~ Level: 58 Posts: 721/722 EXP: 1536843 Next: 40703 Since: 02-19-07 From: Pittsburgh, PA Last post: 5290 days Last view: 2577 days |
I'm going to assume you called me Nick, and then I'm going to frown.
The 7 was just showing how many sprites that scanline would have to take up, with those colors on those tiles, usually one sprite on the NES is 8x8 pixels, so I guess the terminology can get mixed up. "Sprites" in a game aren't even always sprites, often large stationary enemies are just background tiles. Sometimes stationary sprites are a collection of background tiles, with sprites layered on top. Sprites that move around are usually just a collection of 8x8 tiles- sometimes these are layered as well (megaman is a pretty good example of that). I guess it can be kind of complicated if you're not used to thinking in those terms. A step in the right direction would to chop your palettes in half (2 palettes of 3+trans instead of 1 with 5+trans). An easier way to hit these limitations would be to grab something like YY-CHR, and draw around in that, but I'm not sure if you'd like it, or what image editor you use anyway. I hope I'm not coming off as too much of an ass, or anything like that, I'm just not very good at noticing good things. ____________________ |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 100/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
My apologises Setz, I have somehow misread your name. I don't even know why.
As for the limitations for sprites, I will ask the elite hackers of megaman games for more information. 14 8x8 tiles for robot masters should for me be the limit for now. Thank you Setz for your supportment. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 104/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
I thought to work again on my Rockman Zero X-Style Artwork. This time the helmet and the back of Zero resembles more of his former self.
Before: After (the New one): ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
RetroRain |
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Fuzz Ball Level: 66 Posts: 474/994 EXP: 2438094 Next: 23757 Since: 09-30-07 Last post: 1934 days Last view: 957 days |
Nice work there. I never understood why they had to redo Zero for his own series. There was nothing wrong with his original design. ____________________ My YouTube Channel |
Trelior |
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Level: 99 Posts: 688/2602 EXP: 9755110 Next: 244890 Since: 07-12-09 Last post: 4497 days Last view: 4483 days |
Posted by RetroRainI don't think it was Capcom that did the Megaman Zero series, and they held the copyright on the original sprites. I could be wrong though. |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 105/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
Posted by RetroRain I can you say two reasons why Keiji Inafune wanted it that way. First, he wanted a Zero which looks more human and second, he wanted a Zero which is totally different comparred with his X-Series look. At all, it is caused by a different artist. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
Kawa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 2725/5344 EXP: 30943712 Next: 719269 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4497 days Last view: 2633 days |
Yeah, I could understand that, but why did Omega, who (as I understand it) had Zero's original body, have the same sprites? Now, X I can understand. Sitting there like that, it's hard to make out what his armor looks like... ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 106/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
Posted by Kawa As I said, it is all because Inafune wanted a different Zero, which is recogniseable for his own series. So a different artist was required. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
Kawa |
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CHIKKN NI A BAAZZKIT!!! 80's Cheerilee is best pony Level: 138 Posts: 2726/5344 EXP: 30943712 Next: 719269 Since: 02-20-07 From: The Netherlands Last post: 4497 days Last view: 2633 days |
Yes, but story-wise, it all breaks down with Omega.
If I remember correctly, story-wise, Zero had at some point between MMX and MMZ acquired a new body. His old body (the MMX one) was later taken over by Omega, which makes for a great identity crisis for Zero. So again, why does Omega look like a slightly darker Zero? (Edit insert: Zero looks different, as you say, so he's recognizable for his own series. Omega is not Zero and should logically be recognizable for what he is -- that being "Zero's old body taken over by a boss") "A different artist" doesn't cut it -- just watch some cartoons or something and you'll (hopefully) see my point. Also, didn't we have this discussion before? ____________________ Wife make lunch - Shampoo Opera - give it a spin Spare some of your free time? <GreyMaria> I walked around the Lake so many goddamn times that my sex drive was brutally murdered Kawa rocks — byuu |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 107/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
Here some summarised information which I had written down once in another forum.
Posted by "Thanatos-Zero" ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 108/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
I´m still working on the legs of my Rockman Zero X-Style Artwork picture, but to make the angle right, it will need a loot of improvisation and patience.
Here two another works of mine updated. Edit: The Helmet of Zero should be perfect now. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 109/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
I have made for Disco-Peach a whole sprite sheet of Ulrira, just out of boredom.
Edit: Strange... no love for Ulrira? I decided to redo his chair a bit. Also the sprites are now bigger for your eyes. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
DiscoPeach |
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Octoballoon Level: 31 Posts: 162/175 EXP: 177138 Next: 8225 Since: 04-15-08 From: Puerto Rico Last post: 4554 days Last view: 4534 days |
Fucking sweet! Exactly what I wanted! You even put the body parts apart so that it'll be easier for import! Righteous! Amazing! I'm dying to see what else you come up with for me! I hope you're bored more often!
P.S. By the way, sorry for the late post. I was having some troubles logging into the board. ____________________ MathOnNapkins' Zelda 3 (ALttP) Hacking Forum on Arc-Nova: http://arc-nova.org/forum/index.php?board=7.0 |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 113/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
Here now the updated Ulrira pic.
Wait DiscoPeach, I need some approvals to be sure. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
DiscoPeach |
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Octoballoon Level: 31 Posts: 166/175 EXP: 177138 Next: 8225 Since: 04-15-08 From: Puerto Rico Last post: 4554 days Last view: 4534 days |
No prob! I love how it's coming about! As soon as you're satisfied enough, let me know and I'll present it to the world wherever I present screenshots, resources, etc for my hack. Once again, it's coming out fine and dandy! Thanks! Can't wait to see the other stuff you'll sprite! ____________________ MathOnNapkins' Zelda 3 (ALttP) Hacking Forum on Arc-Nova: http://arc-nova.org/forum/index.php?board=7.0 |
Thanatos-Zero |
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Nipper Plant Level: 45 Posts: 136/423 EXP: 652817 Next: 7347 Since: 11-25-08 From: Germany - Rheinlandpfalz - Wittlich - Zur Phillippsburg 25 Last post: 1090 days Last view: 1053 days |
Greetings youngsters and adults. After a long time, where I have lacked motivation and creativity I could pull out only this kind of work.
I know the flaws of that 8bit work. It is pillow shaded and I personally have no idea how I should continue on that art. It is the only work that I have accepted during the time, where I have lacked motivation and creativity. It surely looks not bad, but not good either. ____________________ I was a prisoner enclosed in the void, were everything might end up just as myself. There I was called the death in the void, but after a long sleep my drill was ready to pierce the void. I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind. "Just who in the hell do you think I am?!". |
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