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Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 10-23-09 12:10 AM (rev. 2 of 10-23-09 12:17 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 117814


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5+2 colours actually, since it uses a second sprite for more colours.. The NES can handle 24+8 at the screen in one time. 12 for sprites and 12 for the background objects.
To your question. Rockman also uses the same amount of colours (5+2). Just count his colours. Robot Masters have usually a palette of 5+2 colours, but there are some exceptions like Pharao Man(6+2) and Splash Woman (7+3!).



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I like all the re-dos of your robot masters, though I liked the original Trance better

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Posted on 10-24-09 10:38 AM (rev. 2 of 10-24-09 10:42 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 117890


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if you're going to go with NES restrictions, why only stick with the color counts? It wouldn't be 5+2, it'd be 4+4, and many of these would just cause flicker hell on the NES, yes it can handle the color count, but it cant handle the amount of sprites, any more than 8 on a line and things get nasty.


i took a quick look at one of your sprites, armor man, and almost every 8x8 sprite would have to be layered, causing about 7 per line, for him alone, throw in bullets and megamans (3-5?) sprites and you're not going to have a very sight-friendly game. The colors also don't look like they come from anywhere in the NES palette. The poses for almost all of these also look pretty bland- would you want your robot master sitting around looking bored or in a more battle-ready pose.

You might not really give a shit about hitting those NES limitations and thats fine, but i'd suggest not going halfway. I've done a lot of NES-restriction artwork in my day and I'd have to say its very rewarding to come up with something that looks nice under those limitations, and it can really push your creativity to new levels.

I made a quickie that might help illustrate my points of making it more NES-correct, new pose, and better usage of sprites.


That was pretty quickly done, and not entirely accurate to your design. I'd suggest trying to stick to NES restrictions for a few and have fun with it, I've always enjoyed doing that anyway.

edit: there is also this image thats been floating around pixelation, it might help.
http://img267.imageshack.us/i/nesspecsl5.gif/

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Posted on 10-25-09 12:23 AM (rev. 2 of 10-25-09 12:24 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 117928


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Thanks Nick, but I'm now surprised that alone the height x width and the aditional shading causes the usage of more sprite layers, than I have thought.
I will take your advice into the heart, whenever I shall sprite.

So if I understand right, one sprite has the place for seven 8x8 fields. Is that correct?

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I'm going to assume you called me Nick, and then I'm going to frown.


The 7 was just showing how many sprites that scanline would have to take up, with those colors on those tiles, usually one sprite on the NES is 8x8 pixels, so I guess the terminology can get mixed up. "Sprites" in a game aren't even always sprites, often large stationary enemies are just background tiles. Sometimes stationary sprites are a collection of background tiles, with sprites layered on top. Sprites that move around are usually just a collection of 8x8 tiles- sometimes these are layered as well (megaman is a pretty good example of that). I guess it can be kind of complicated if you're not used to thinking in those terms.

A step in the right direction would to chop your palettes in half (2 palettes of 3+trans instead of 1 with 5+trans). An easier way to hit these limitations would be to grab something like YY-CHR, and draw around in that, but I'm not sure if you'd like it, or what image editor you use anyway. I hope I'm not coming off as too much of an ass, or anything like that, I'm just not very good at noticing good things.

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Posted on 10-25-09 02:20 AM Link | Quote | ID: 117932


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My apologises Setz, I have somehow misread your name. I don't even know why.

As for the limitations for sprites, I will ask the elite hackers of megaman games for more information. 14 8x8 tiles for robot masters should for me be the limit for now.

Thank you Setz for your supportment.

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Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 11-08-09 12:18 AM (rev. 6 of 11-08-09 12:25 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 118982


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I thought to work again on my Rockman Zero X-Style Artwork. This time the helmet and the back of Zero resembles more of his former self.

Before:


After (the New one):


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Nice work there. I never understood why they had to redo Zero for his own series. There was nothing wrong with his original design.

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Posted by RetroRain
Nice work there. I never understood why they had to redo Zero for his own series. There was nothing wrong with his original design.
I don't think it was Capcom that did the Megaman Zero series, and they held the copyright on the original sprites. I could be wrong though.

Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 11-08-09 02:28 PM Link | Quote | ID: 119008


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Posted by RetroRain
Nice work there. I never understood why they had to redo Zero for his own series. There was nothing wrong with his original design.


I can you say two reasons why Keiji Inafune wanted it that way.
First, he wanted a Zero which looks more human and second, he wanted a Zero which is totally different comparred with his X-Series look.
At all, it is caused by a different artist.

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Kawa
Posted on 11-08-09 03:07 PM Link | Quote | ID: 119011


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Yeah, I could understand that, but why did Omega, who (as I understand it) had Zero's original body, have the same sprites? Now, X I can understand. Sitting there like that, it's hard to make out what his armor looks like...

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Posted on 11-08-09 03:33 PM Link | Quote | ID: 119014


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Posted by Kawa
Yeah, I could understand that, but why did Omega, who (as I understand it) had Zero's original body, have the same sprites? Now, X I can understand. Sitting there like that, it's hard to make out what his armor looks like...


As I said, it is all because Inafune wanted a different Zero, which is recogniseable for his own series. So a different artist was required.


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Kawa
Posted on 11-08-09 03:38 PM (rev. 2 of 11-08-09 03:39 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 119015


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Yes, but story-wise, it all breaks down with Omega.

If I remember correctly, story-wise, Zero had at some point between MMX and MMZ acquired a new body. His old body (the MMX one) was later taken over by Omega, which makes for a great identity crisis for Zero.

So again, why does Omega look like a slightly darker Zero?
(Edit insert: Zero looks different, as you say, so he's recognizable for his own series. Omega is not Zero and should logically be recognizable for what he is -- that being "Zero's old body taken over by a boss")

"A different artist" doesn't cut it -- just watch some cartoons or something and you'll (hopefully) see my point.


Also, didn't we have this discussion before?

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Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 11-09-09 05:33 PM (rev. 2 of 11-09-09 07:19 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 119067


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Here some summarised information which I had written down once in another forum.

Posted by "Thanatos-Zero"
The original body of Zero is actually weaker, because the copied body is a new and better version. Let me quote from The Megaman Zero Official Complete Works.

The legendary Reploid who fought vailantly and was known as a hero durring Maverick Wars. Though the soul is indeed that of Zero, the body that Ciel found him was a copyof the original. Zero´s original body, which had caused much damage durring the Elf Wars, had been sent into space, and is now known as Omega.But Zero´s new body, showing at least as much if not more potencial than the last has saved the world twice over from the evil intentions of Omega and Weil, the man controlling him. Zero was last seen in space. His current whereabouts are unknown.


While he was sleeping, his body got probably analysed to 100%, by the scientists of the Research Facility. I do not think, that these scientists where inferior to Dr. Albert W. Wily, but at least on the same level and above.

The key to Zero´s creation is Forte, which was created with the energy Fortium by accident.

In the ending of Megaman 9 you can see Forte on a screen. It is not just cameo, but it has also a meaning. Dr.Wily research Forte´s accidental origins.

There are actually four versions of Zero:
Zero MkI - Created by Dr. Albert W. Wily. Zero´s original intention was to destroy Rockman and his own creation Forte, but this goal changed, because his age won´t allow him to rule the world, so he programmed Zero to destroy X in the future. Wily´s last will was to prove, that he was the superior scientist by destroying Dr.Light´s greatest invention X. However Zero wasn´t complete cause Wily´s time was running out. All what he could do, was to install the virus, which should later be known as the Sigma Virus and to put Zero in his capsule. After a century Zero waked up and searched for X. He encountered Gamma´s Unit and destroyed them in a mess. Sigma the leader of the Irregular Hunters, was able to defeat Zero after a hard battle. He was able to win, cause the installed virus caused Zero a headache all of the sudden, which gave Sigma enough time to counter. He shattered with his fist Zero´s headgem and knocked Zero unconscious. The virus saved him, but not with a price. He merged with it and thus the Sigma virus was born. Sigma was still sane, but after some time Sigma gone Irregular on himself. This started the Irregular Wars. Before this happened Zero got repaired in Dr.Cain´s lab, who awakened with no memory as a good reploid. He was then teached by Sigma as a irregular hunter and reached soon the Special A (SA) Rank.
In Sigma´s Fortress X was surprised by Vava, after X was distracted by a unconsciousness Zero. However Zero awakened and destroyed himself in a try to kill Vava and to rescue X. The only thing what from Zero could received was his brainchip, which has miraclly survived the destruction of the fortress. With this Zero could be revived, but Dr.Cain failed to create a new body, since his body couldn´t analysed.
Zero MkII - Created by the reploid Sagesse, who is actually Dr. Wily´s Soul in disguise. This body got destroyed by Sigma in Rockman X5, but got repaired by the Reploid Isoc, who is again Dr. Wily in disguise. After a unknown period of time after Rockman X: Command Mission, Zero decides to cure himself completely from the Sigma Virus, since he spread it unintentionaly. During the time he slept in his capsole his brainchip was removed from his body, for security reasons. The now mindless body in his capsule should stay 102 years until the Sigma Virus was removed, however the scientist Dr. Weil used him to create the ultimate weapon against the Irregulars, Omega. Omega was licensed by the goverment, but Dr.Weil betrayed them. After his first defeat against X and Zero, which appeared in a new body, he was sealed in a spaceship and sent to space. He was brought back by the now cyborg Dr. Weil to the earth, after the Dark Elf was no longer prisoned in X´s Body. Although Omega was more stronger than ever with the power of the Dark Elf combined, his final demise are in Zero´s hands. This time ZeroMKII now known as Omega was destroyed for good.
Zero MkIII - Created by the scientists of the Reseach Fability to counter the threat Omega aka ZeroMKII. He was able to defeat with X the reploid Omega. However after this threat banished, Zero believed that his mere existence cause destruction, so he sealed himself again in the Research Facility, this time forever. He was awakened by the scientist Ciel and the Cyberelf Passy. His forced awaken caused a memory loss, although it is unknown if it is temporary or permanent. After his fights against Neo Arcardia, Copy X, Omega and at last Dr. Weil, he seemed to died too, but we may never know.
Livemetal Model Z (Zero) - Created by Dr.Ciel along with Model X (X), H (Harpuia), F (Fefnir), L (Leviathan), P (Phantom) to counter the Livemetal Model W (Weil), which was created by Dr. Albert, by the remains of Ragnarok which are fused with Dr. Weil´s revitalizing armour. Model Z contains Zero´s consciousness (his DNA Soul) and his battle experience. Model Z was used by a reploid named Giroette, who was a chosen one. He could use the ROCk -System. He was very similiar to Zero, however, he was killed by Serpent, who wants to become the Rockman King. He passed with his last power Model Z to the chosen one (Aile/Vent) of Model X. Aile/Vent became to Rockman ZX the ultimate Rockman. Serpent, even merged with a empowered Model W couldn´t defeat Rockman ZX. Rockman ZX decided to put an end of the game of destiny. Model Z was last seen on the Livemetal Ouroborus.


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Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 11-10-09 09:47 PM (rev. 3 of 11-10-09 11:43 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 119120


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I´m still working on the legs of my Rockman Zero X-Style Artwork picture, but to make the angle right, it will need a loot of improvisation and patience.

Here two another works of mine updated.




Although I´m pleased with the outcome, the helmets are somewhat odd, when comparred with each other. Any suggestions?

Edit: The Helmet of Zero should be perfect now.

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I came back... to guide those who are in doubt and to crush any corrupted mind.
"Just who in the hell do you think I am?!".

Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 11-11-09 09:56 PM (rev. 2 of 11-12-09 09:15 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 119204


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I have made for Disco-Peach a whole sprite sheet of Ulrira, just out of boredom.



Edit:
Strange... no love for Ulrira?
I decided to redo his chair a bit. Also the sprites are now bigger for your eyes.



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"Just who in the hell do you think I am?!".

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Fucking sweet! Exactly what I wanted! You even put the body parts apart so that it'll be easier for import! Righteous! Amazing! I'm dying to see what else you come up with for me! I hope you're bored more often!

P.S. By the way, sorry for the late post. I was having some troubles logging into the board.

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Thanatos-Zero
Posted on 11-20-09 01:38 AM Link | Quote | ID: 119824


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Here now the updated Ulrira pic.


Wait DiscoPeach, I need some approvals to be sure.

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"Just who in the hell do you think I am?!".

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No prob! I love how it's coming about! As soon as you're satisfied enough, let me know and I'll present it to the world wherever I present screenshots, resources, etc for my hack. Once again, it's coming out fine and dandy! Thanks! Can't wait to see the other stuff you'll sprite!

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Greetings youngsters and adults. After a long time, where I have lacked motivation and creativity I could pull out only this kind of work.

I know the flaws of that 8bit work. It is pillow shaded and I personally have no idea how I should continue on that art. It is the only work that I have accepted during the time, where I have lacked motivation and creativity.


It surely looks not bad, but not good either.

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"Just who in the hell do you think I am?!".
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