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blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-08 11:08 PM Link | Quote | ID: 85374


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Posted by Jomb
It basically boils down to art. What is art? Good art raises passions in people. So thank you Silver X, for validating me as an artist!

So if I punched you in the face, you would consider that an act of art?

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Posted on 06-19-08 11:10 PM (rev. 3 of 06-19-08 11:13 PM) Link | Quote | ID: 85375


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Posted by Sliver X
There is no shame in getting paid for your work

There is when the resulting product is basically totally illegal.

Good art raises passions in people.

No, if this were the case then my hatred for N'Sync, Nickelback and Brittany Spears means they're good artists. Nice logical fallacy bub.

So thank you Silver X, for validating me as an artist!

Ooooh, I get it now. You're like one of the "performance artists" that think they're cutting edge when most people just find them fucking annoying.


I have never made money off of anything illegal. The part i sold was 100% original.

No less a logical fallacy than your claim that for something to be art you must like it.

I dont truthfully care if i'm liked or not, that has been a happy by-product of following my muse.

And Stifu, glad that you remembered me, censor yourself and take a hike if you dont want to be here.

"So if I punched you in the face, you would consider that an act of art?"

Yes i would. That would be fucking awesome! Do it!

Sliver X
Posted on 06-19-08 11:14 PM Link | Quote | ID: 85377


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No less a logical fallacy than your claim that for something to be art you must like it.

You're losing the train of thought you started yourself. You said "Good Art". I could take a shit on a bed and smear it in a circle and that would be technically art. But only an idiot would say it's "Good Art".

Replace the shitty bed with any of your hacks and see my point.

I dont truthfully care if i'm liked or not, that has been a happy by-product of following my muse.

Your muse must be an 8 year old boy with Downs Syndrome.

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Gil-Galad
Posted on 06-19-08 11:28 PM Link | Quote | ID: 85379


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Jomb:

Stop flapping your cocksuckers for once and listen.

Humor doesn't justify making a crappy romhack. You and your bunch of circle jerk friends can celebrate once your pile of shit humor hacks enters the pile of shit of crappy ROM hacks in the GoodNES set.


Jomb
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What is good art and what is not, is completely in the eye of the beholder. Its irrelevant really. Art is art. The purpose of art isn't always to make you happy or for you to like it. It can be a statement, it can be a protest. And of course, different people have different tastes. I respect that, do you?

If my muse is an 8 year old with Downs, i will love him anyway, because its not his fault he was born that way.

blackhole89
Posted on 06-19-08 11:55 PM Link | Quote | ID: 85382


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Posted by Jomb
What is good art and what is not, is completely in the eye of the beholder. Its irrelevant really. Art is art. The purpose of art isn't always to make you happy or for you to like it. It can be a statement, it can be a protest. And of course, different people have different tastes. I respect that, do you?

If that's the case, the qualifier "art" is worthless and doesn't pose an acceptable excuse for a lack of originality and in the craftsmanship behind it.

Also, can we please try to discuss this on a more civil level?

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Onyxyte
Posted on 06-20-08 12:41 AM Link | Quote | ID: 85384


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I'd agree with you, blackhole89, but I don't see this discussion resolving itself. Might I point out BadHacks is just a click away?

Jomb
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whats original about any hack? Who decides what is original? Once again its in the eye of the beholder, just like art is. Is changing the levels in mario original after the thousandth time? i dont see how thats any more original than trying to inject humor into a hack.

Xeruss
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How about this, the people who wish to publicize hacks like Super Penis World 9 can go do so in another forum, while keeping this forum for hacks that most people would play without cringing at the sophomoric humor.
This sort of thing may have its place, but judging by the reactions of the majority, that place isn't here.

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Onyxyte
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I'd like to say this to you, Jomb. As badhacks.net's homepage points out, it seems you -appreciate- low quality work. Clearly, that doesn't settle well with someone who is looking for a hack that had a lot of effort put into it (and, presumably, worthwhile.) So, I don't see why you are trying to make a case here. For as long as I've been around, ALL of the communities have strived for improvement. Sorry, but you've got your work cut out for you since you're stuck in the past.

GreyMaria
Posted on 06-20-08 01:28 AM Link | Quote | ID: 85390

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Amazing.

I thought I'd seen the last of this with Super Penio Brothers. Guess I was wroooooong.

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Posted on 06-20-08 01:28 AM Link | Quote | ID: 85391


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"you suck" "no u" "BITCH" etc etc

Maybe you guys could just, oh I don't know, ignore the trolls? Let the thread fall into the depths of obscurity, and be done with it.

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Jomb
Posted on 06-20-08 02:01 AM Link | Quote | ID: 85393


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Xeruss - how about people who dont like it ignore it and not get involved with it, and people that do enjoyit? Its not complicated to not read things you dont like. I do it all the time. Dont see me bitching in anyone elses thread, do you?

Onyxyte - Low quality work does not always a masterpiece make. But there are some which can be quite hilarious. All of my hacks are thorough and have alot of effort put into them, i dont speak for anyone else. The hack i'm working on right now i've been working on since 2006. Improvement does'nt have to take one single branch. There are other ways to improve things beyond the technical. Comedy movies are'nt better for having better special effects. And just because some people prefer comedy and other people prefer action, that dont mean comedy movies should be discontinued in favor of all special effects action movies.

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Posted by Jomb
Xeruss - how about people who dont like it ignore it and not get involved with it, and people that do enjoyit? Its not complicated to not read things you dont like. I do it all the time. Dont see me bitching in anyone elses thread, do you?

Once again, the ROM hacking section of this community was built with it's eyes set toward one thing - Good Rom hacks (Rom hacks found enjoyable by most if not all people. Included so you don't try and pull any more "my perceptions of art" shullbit). If you think your attempts at counter-culture made by defacing games we've all played hundreds of times -and would therefore have no reason to play again- are cool, then submit them to a place that reveres that sort of art. With the exception of the recent registrant "B. Dicke", that sort of hack does not seem to be respected by the people here.

You don't put horror books in the historical-fiction section.
You don't put 5-minute-hacks in the Board II threads.

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Jomb
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This is not my hack, so i have no idea what sort of reaction its going to get, by the people who actually play it. But as for my work, I've been releasing here since 2004. I've gotten some negative feedback here, but i've also got positive. Roughly 50-50 I'd estimate. My hacks are by no means 5 minute jobs, rather you like them or not, they have serious commitments of time in them. All of these hacks, even the ones you dont like, are of games we've all played hundreds of times. If you think that makes them games not worth playing again, then why are you here at all?

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Posted by Jomb
This is not my hack, so i have no idea what sort of reaction its going to get, by the people who actually play it. But as for my work, I've been releasing here since 2004. I've gotten some negative feedback here, but i've also got positive. Roughly 50-50 I'd estimate. My hacks are by no means 5 minute jobs, rather you like them or not, they have serious commitments of time in them. All of these hacks, even the ones you dont like, are of games we've all played hundreds of times. If you think that makes them games not worth playing again, then why are you here at all?

There is a difference between playing a different level, and playing the same level only when the character has his fly down.

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Jomb
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There is. The difference is that one is potentially humorous (though if you think that was all there was to PCP, you are sadly mistaken), and the other is made for non-comedic purposes. The world is big enough for both to exist. People have different tastes. Some people like Star Wars, some like Star Trek, some like both, some like neither. I dont think B Dicke was trying to pass a law that you must play this hack and like it. He was just putting it out there for the people who might enjoy it. Most people who dont find perverse Disney to be amusing simply wont play it. Me, i think there is some humor in putting Disney characters of all things into wildly inappropriate situations.
Honestly, would your reaction have been different if he took a game, altered it with this sort of humor, but also changed some levels? What if he also hacked the boxart to the game?

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Posted by Jomb
There is. The difference is that one is potentially humorous (though if you think that was all there was to PCP, you are sadly mistaken), and the other is made for non-comedic purposes. The world is big enough for both to exist. People have different tastes. Some people like Star Wars, some like Star Trek, some like both, some like neither. I dont think B Dicke was trying to pass a law that you must play this hack and like it. He was just putting it out there for the people who might enjoy it. Most people who dont find perverse Disney to be amusing simply wont play it. Me, i think there is some humor in putting Disney characters of all things into wildly inappropriate situations.
Honestly, would your reaction have been different if he took a game, altered it with this sort of humor, but also changed some levels? What if he also hacked the boxart to the game?

Yes. Changing levels makes it better. I would suggest that if he wished for more serious people to play the game, that he should change the levels, but the main focus is quality.
What it comes down to is that an 8-bit graphics hack is not by any stretch of the imagination hard to make. They can be cranked out in somewhere around 2 hours if the creator decides to make a full graphics hack. If a bunch of noobs pick up on the idea and decide that quantity means more than quality, we're suddenly flooded with hacks that a majority of people here now do not wish to play. When a community's members change, so does power, than finally intention. And if we do exactly what http://www.badhacks.net/ does, than what place does it have?

"Bad hacks" is unique to your style, while Board II at least tries to maintain a reputation as a moot place for serious hackers making serious hacks. I don't understand your dislike that things cannot just stay that way.


Also, I've never seen anyone customize boxart for a hack. Not saying it wouldn't or hasn't been done, but I'm at least willing to believe its uncommon.

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Posted on 06-20-08 05:26 AM (rev. 2 of 06-20-08 05:37 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 85407


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Its just a difference of style. If your focus is on making humor, changing the levels is not terribly important. If your focus is on making things more difficult, the humor is not terribly important and is probably unintentional.

Acmlm board has always been to me a place focused on ROM-hacking by ROM-hackers. Why put them into boxes? Let people decide what they like on their own. No one has to play every hack that gets released here. I sure dont. If you dont like B Dicke's first hack (which i happen to know took him a quite a bit longer than 2 hours to make), then point out to him what he could do to improve it, constructively. My advice to B Dicke is to change more graphics. Its not the worst hack i ever seen by a complete novice, but i want to be surprised by all new enemies at least.

My hacks are comedic. But they are'nt just comedy. There are things going on beneath the surface that not many people have picked up on. Thats why i consider my hacks to Bizarre/art/comedy.

I have customized art before. In the last NES hack i did, i hacked the entire instruction manual, including the cover art to it.


edit - just an observation, but does'nt anyone else think its strange that a community based entirely on nostaligia would try to make the case that things need to be hip and modern? ROM-hacking itself is old enough that some people get nostalgic for the early days of ROM-hacking.

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Posted by Jomb
just an observation, but does'nt anyone else think its strange that a community based entirely on nostaligia would try to make the case that things need to be hip and modern? ROM-hacking itself is old enough that some people get nostalgic for the early days of ROM-hacking.


I believe the term you are looking for is appealing. It's not about being hip or modern, it's about recreating the game to make it better, its about recreating the game to make it better for yourself. In turn, if you know that people will like it, you release it here.

If they won't appreciate what you've done, don't consider yourself an "artist martyr" or whatever by take positively the disappointing responses from people who find your work unappealing.

As far as the ROM Hacking community goes, if the people don't like your work, release it somewhere where your work garners attention as per the amount of time you put towards it. Judging by the other posts in this thread, sophomoric humor of this sort is not appreciated. Its no longer a subtle hint.

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