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Main - ROM Hacking - Lazy Shell - Rom Locking - Yay or Nay? | New thread | New reply |
Should Lazy Shell have a Rom Locking feature? | |
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Metal Knuckles |
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Red Tektite Level: 22 Posts: 46/76 EXP: 52451 Next: 5899 Since: 02-19-07 From: Champlain College, VT Last post: 4737 days Last view: 5413 days |
The Link's Awakening manga was much better, but that's enough off topicness for now.
Gimme. ____________________ |
NightKev |
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Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 2357/4792 EXP: 26212229 Next: 212391 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3726 days Last view: 3638 days |
I'm not really sure how this would work given that rom A isn't going to be very similar to rom B, especially if the two roms are from different systems (eg NES and N64 or SNES and GBA, etc)...
The author stamp sounds like a good idea, but rom locking? How much hack stealing goes on...? I've never seen/heard of an instance of someone taking someone else's hack and pawning it off as their own... ____________________ |
Metal Knuckles |
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Red Tektite Level: 22 Posts: 47/76 EXP: 52451 Next: 5899 Since: 02-19-07 From: Champlain College, VT Last post: 4737 days Last view: 5413 days |
EXAMPLE! ____________________ |
troopa pride |
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Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 72/117 EXP: 99505 Next: 2770 Since: 05-15-07 Last post: 5722 days Last view: 5559 days |
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NightKev |
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Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 2388/4792 EXP: 26212229 Next: 212391 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3726 days Last view: 3638 days |
Posted by Metal KnucklesI'm sorry I don't speak Russian. Posted by troopa prideWTF THIS ISN'T GAMEFAQS GTFO ____________________ |
troopa pride |
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Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 74/117 EXP: 99505 Next: 2770 Since: 05-15-07 Last post: 5722 days Last view: 5559 days |
Posted by troopa prideWTF THIS ISN'T GAMEFAQS GTFO Then tell acmlm to implement a post delete button, or I will continue doing that if I feel the need to "delete" my post. |
Metal Knuckles |
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Red Tektite Level: 22 Posts: 48/76 EXP: 52451 Next: 5899 Since: 02-19-07 From: Champlain College, VT Last post: 4737 days Last view: 5413 days |
Posted by troopa pridePosted by troopa prideWTF THIS ISN'T GAMEFAQS GTFO Then tell acmlm to implement a post delete button, or I will continue doing that if I feel the need to "delete" my post. NO U. The Russian translates to "Get ready to see an old fairy tale to a new, modern Giant! SONIC MEGAMIX - it Rimeik old, the first of an already good Sonika. It is our old friend Soniku come to the aid of his new friends - and the battleship Migthy black flocked Shedou. Apart from the newly heroes of the game changed in the cavity - levels have become longer, more beautiful and dangerous new enemies, as well as a completely changed music, and you heard some of the other "Sonikah" and the other composers wrote entirely new." Basically, Russian Pirates took Team Megamix's Sonic Megamix, stuck it on a cartridge, and sold it for their handheld Genesis system without giving any credit to the folks over at Sonic Retro/SGMC. Also, all the profit for their work goes to the pirate company. There was a discussion about how this could have been prevented had there been some sort of feature that would make the ROM unplayable if any code were touched. While it's a bit of an extreme case, the idea is the same. And I don't know about the majority of the rest of the community, but in the Sonic hacking scene a lot of people "borrow" material from other hacks without giving credit. As far as I'm concerned, if someone wants to release their hack to the public without having everyone searching their code for any nifty features they added via ASM or whatever, they should have the option to. ____________________ |
Sukasa |
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Red Birdo Level: 92 Posts: 643/2112 EXP: 7684166 Next: 72771 Since: 02-19-07 Last post: 4439 days Last view: 3211 days |
Posted by troopa pridePosted by NightKevPosted by troopa prideWTF THIS ISN'T GAMEFAQS GTFO NightKev, he has every right to remove his posts, do you have a problem with that? troopa: acmlm doesn't have anything to do with board2 anymore, but I'll make the feature request known for you. Metal: wow, that's quite sad, actually. In my mind, this is a good example of why ROM locking is a good thing. |
NightKev |
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Cape Luigi Level: 131 Posts: 2425/4792 EXP: 26212229 Next: 212391 Since: 03-15-07 Last post: 3726 days Last view: 3638 days |
Posted by SukasaI'm sorry, is sarcasm/etc not allowed here? ____________________ |
troopa pride |
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Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 75/117 EXP: 99505 Next: 2770 Since: 05-15-07 Last post: 5722 days Last view: 5559 days |
Sorry if I was a bit rude, Sakusa.
But I seriously have no other way to delete posts. Semi-back on topic: I know this may be a bit too early to ask, but any luck with cracking SMRPG's music and modifyeing it? |
blackhole89 |
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The Guardian Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Level: 124 Posts: 1402/4196 EXP: 21518384 Next: 318217 Since: 02-19-07 From: Ithaca, NY, US Last post: 463 days Last view: 75 days |
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Omega45889 |
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Red Paratroopa Level: 31 Posts: 35/178 EXP: 182950 Next: 2413 Since: 01-18-08 Last post: 5474 days Last view: 4781 days |
Im pretty sure that SMRPG has a different music engine all together. It sucks, cause I was hoping to allow importing from any squaresoft game but doesnt look all too likely atm. It wont be in the initial release. |
troopa pride |
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Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 76/117 EXP: 99505 Next: 2770 Since: 05-15-07 Last post: 5722 days Last view: 5559 days |
Posted by Omega45889 Not that we are expecting it to be ;p We appreciate a smrpg editor as it is, and smrpg has nice music anyways.An after-math expansion for Lazy-Shell to support music would be nice. TAKE YOUR TIME. |
Nicole |
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Mole Level: 43 Posts: 285/363 EXP: 547518 Next: 17528 Since: 02-19-07 From: Massachusetts/Virginia Last post: 4341 days Last view: 3319 days |
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Omega45889 |
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Red Paratroopa Level: 31 Posts: 36/178 EXP: 182950 Next: 2413 Since: 01-18-08 Last post: 5474 days Last view: 4781 days |
Yeah, I get what your saying and that is exactly the purpose of this discussion. Ive worked out a way that wouldn't allow anyone to modify the data, and it wouldn't be broken anytime soon, but whether it can be done and it should be done are 2 different things.
I personally have a selfish reason for doing it. I want to see if anyone can break my methods. Its a challenge that I think would be fun. However, I am not a fan of DRM. Not only that, but releasing the source code for the editor basically nullifies the locking features unless I go to all the extra effort of obfuscation. The way to do it would be to include a compiled binary with the source that controls the encryption and all that, but have vital code stored in it as well. That way people couldn't just remove that code and viola. The thing is, I would rather spend my time improving the editor than coding a DRM scheme. This is why me and Giangurgolo have come to the following decision. Lazy Shell will have an author stamp feature which will be tamper proof. Its impossible to make it perfect and seamless in the editor, but for all intense and purpose people will not be able to modify the stamp. When a published stamped rom is opened in Lazy Shell, it will notify you who the creator is, and have a short message from the author. You will then be free to edit and change the rom as you please. I'm working on a feature which where you be able to stamp the edited rom, but it would be a secondary stamp. This means it will credit the original author(s), then you as modifying their work. The editor will notify users if the author stamp has been tampered with. This effect which can be remedied by entering the original authors password. In addition to this, there will be a rom locking feature, but it will not be publicly available. I intend to use it as an easter egg in a hack later on. This decision was based on our mutual distaste for DRM, as well as the majority for "Author Stamp Only". We feel that it would prevent anyone from stealing others work, but also allow people to have fun and mess around. IMO, its a win win. ** CLIFF NOTES FOR THOSE THAT DONT FEEL LIKE READING ** - Author Stamp Only - Author Stamp remains intact after new edits, people can append their own stamps but credit goes to the initial author - Tampered Author Stamps are recognizable and will notify the user - No public rom locking, private only, and it will only be used to provide a bonus easter egg in a future hack Any thoughts? |
troopa pride |
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Koopa Level: 26 Posts: 78/117 EXP: 99505 Next: 2770 Since: 05-15-07 Last post: 5722 days Last view: 5559 days |
I like it ^^
How much longer till we can go crazy with the editor >=D |
Metal Knuckles |
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Red Tektite Level: 22 Posts: 51/76 EXP: 52451 Next: 5899 Since: 02-19-07 From: Champlain College, VT Last post: 4737 days Last view: 5413 days |
Thumbs up? ____________________ |
Raccoon Sam |
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Cobrat Level: 56 Posts: 405/672 EXP: 1379093 Next: 19083 Since: 02-19-07 From: Hi Last post: 3459 days Last view: 2690 days |
So uh, if you wish to stay anonymous or want to make a free base hack without a 'Made by Raccoon Sam' or something like that, will it work? ____________________ |
Omega45889 |
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Red Paratroopa Level: 31 Posts: 37/178 EXP: 182950 Next: 2413 Since: 01-18-08 Last post: 5474 days Last view: 4781 days |
Of course. There will still be an Author Stamp, but it just wont contain the "Published" flag, so when they load up the rom in Lazy Shell, it wont display anything.
Every rom that is edited with Lazy Shell will have an author stamp, but it just wont contain any data unless the Author enters it. The "Published" flag just means that when the rom is loaded, it will display the Author's info immediately. If its not set, then they would have to go to the "About" menu or whatever to see the info. Setting it is at the authors discretion. |
Raccoon Sam |
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Cobrat Level: 56 Posts: 409/672 EXP: 1379093 Next: 19083 Since: 02-19-07 From: Hi Last post: 3459 days Last view: 2690 days |
Sounds great, especially for archival purposes. No hack will have an unknown author.
I had this idea of a separate program that locks ROMs but then again that'd be useless with the Author Stamp thing. ____________________ |
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