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Ziff
Posted on 05-31-07 06:57 AM (rev. 3 of 05-31-07 07:08 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 39782


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Yea, I definitely agree on the fuckerage with each post. It seems that people aren't capable of looking at these things right without generating emo feelings about it. Regardless of what's been said, it proves my point and...quite honestly...I don't see a real reason why this should be open. I mean if we're here to talk about death and suffering over a video game, do yourselves a favor and play something with an MA rating. I mean I'm going through a round of Metal Gear Solid 3 myself and it's not nearly as depressing as some of the stuff I've already read in this thread. It borders on pathetic.

I'm sorry, but we're done. Grow up, peeps.

EDIT: To be fair, if you guys want to talk about violence in video games to begin with and start a debate over it...do it IN the Debate forum. I'd rather keep such clutter contained in that closet if threads like these are absolutely necessary. I browse this forum mainly for fun, not discomfort.

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Why not? Let us reopen this.

First off, let me address a few points:

1. Condenscending post that is whiny and bitchy about people being whiny and bitchy? lollerskatesz
2. Rating systems are inherently stupid. This was an indie game and your "not so depressing" or whatever that means game is not on the same scale. Remember, please, to frame arguments in their proper place.
3. Another put-down in a post urging people to "grow up" followed by an immature self-declaration of what you would prefer and giving a perfectly legitimate, if not slightly derailed, thread the boot to a "closet"

So, basically this thread has a few points I would wish to make. First off, the game was designed to basically be a troll of epic proportions. It is failing at that because it lacks the originality of some "shock games" like SCMRPG or whatever that was. It had a point, this game does not really illustrate anything. It is just a poorly constructed sim with very bad taste.

Secondly, it needs to be said that just because you are discomforted with a thread and its content that does not mean that it should be moved to a forum where it is vastly irrelevant to the topics being discussed there. However, since this thread was unfairly relegated to the wrong part of the board I suppose that is something that can be addressed.

Also, Too Long by Daft Punk off of Discovery is a great song. And Aroma is a great coffee bar.

edit: forgot title

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Posted on 05-31-07 07:05 AM Link | Quote | ID: 39785


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Ziff...

How did you manage to say what I wanted to say so nicely? I thank you for a job well done.

I mean, I love being demeaned by someone who doesn't seem to have even read the thread... but rather chose to just skim over and place generalizations on everything that was said. At worst it was derailed, at best it was a decently interesting conversation. I can see justification for it being closed, but not for the pointless insults.

I find it hard to even being dissecting what Hiryuu said. I mean, from the "emo" comment (I loved that one)... to calling people in the thread "pathetic"... to informing us we need to "grow up"... it's just a mess of bullshit. Easily avoided if he'd stay out of a thread he obviously had no interest in.

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Thread title                                     

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Ziff
Posted on 05-31-07 07:11 AM Link | Quote | ID: 39787


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Posted by Xkeeper
Thread title                                     


"These are the things that terrify me the most: Violence, video games, and the holy ghost"

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That doesn't quite fit, but I will give you an extra fifty points for perfectly aligning the cutoff point

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Ziff
Posted on 05-31-07 07:45 AM Link | Quote | ID: 39795


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Posted by Xkeeper
That doesn't quite fit, but I will give you an extra fifty points for perfectly aligning the cutoff point


Totally! I think it is potentially the greatest thread title ever.

NightKev
Posted on 05-31-07 07:47 AM Link | Quote | ID: 39796


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[22:46] <BooUrns> Will we ever have a display case?
[22:46] <BooUrns> because if we do
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[22:46] <laptuna> =P
[22:46] <BooUrns> I nominate that thread

We of IRC nominate this thread for the non-existent Display Case!

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Posted on 05-31-07 10:11 AM Link | Quote | ID: 39806

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Violence, video games, and the ho?

Grand Theft Auto anyone?

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Posted on 05-31-07 06:49 PM Link | Quote | ID: 39895


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Except GTA doesn't make light of any specific massacres or events in the real world.

This game is probably by someone from 4chan's /b/. The VTECH JUST KICKED IN YO stuff is pretty much the same as on the billboard on the middle of the campus in the game.

I can't say I was really disgusted with playing the game. Why? Because it's not realistic. After you start shooting you can still talk to the girls and they offer to blow you. I mean... that's just absurd.

Second, it felt like more of a mockery of the killer than of the tragedy in general. Every time you fail at a "mission" it makes fun of Cho. So for a troll attempt, it's not a very over the top one. I actually found myself enjoying the game. Why? B/c it has well defined goals and it's easy to pick up and play. And before you ask how I could enjoy a game that parallels a cold blooded massacre, I have no idea. I almost didn't click on it, but my sense of curiosity for offensive things is overwhelming sometimes.

Looking at it from an "IRL" point of view, which is different from my internet point of view, it's in incredibly bad taste and if someone who was affected by the VTECH massacre saw it, they'd undoubtedly be very sad and angry. Sometimes people who think that anonymnity on the internet means they can do whatever they want, even if it might seriously offend someone. (And sometimes people do it on purpose, as in this case.) But I guarantee if there was no internet, and this game had to be published somehow, it would never see the light of day. Because then people would know your name, and know what a heartless uncaring bastard you are. Hell they might even sue you for mental anguish.


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Posted on 06-01-07 07:23 AM (rev. 2 of 06-01-07 07:25 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 40722


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It is stupid, that is it. I am not outraged over it, I just find it stupid. It's one of those things that I see, I say, "Not that surprising, idiots" And move on. It was made to make people angry and get attention, it deserves to be ignored. It makes fun of a tragedy, a very sad and devastating one, but all it is is a retard's cry for attention, it should be buried along with many other things into the bowels of the internet. It shouldn't really get people angry about it, but I can understand where those offended are coming from. However, being offended is just playing right into this moron's hands.

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Hiryuu
Posted on 06-08-07 02:41 AM (rev. 3 of 06-08-07 02:43 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 43463

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I could pretty much copy and paste what he said but that would be a little bit of a waste of time.

So let's start from the top and work down:

Ziff: Was that even close to necessary or were just intending to piss me off? You knew full well that I felt that thread to be a dumb and irritating case of 'lollercopters' that should have been ignored. The reason I gave that edit was to create a new thread in a forum like this, which you did and I have no problem with that. Troll-baiting me, on the other hand, is -not- something I'm going to tolerate. I don't exactly know what you want to prove, but I don't really care.

Death: Would you just shut up? I didn't ask if you thought I had no interest in such a thing...in fact, I did have a bit of interest in say that 'oh wow...thread about this...hmm...you know what...the people that did this are stupid and it's sad'. I did show an interest just like any other thread I clicked. You telling me, a person on a board staff, to keep my head out of a thread is...well...dumb. I mean what do you expect me to do when I see a thread that has certain things in it that are questionable? Ignore it? If you're not happy with that, I believe you need to get over it and yourself.

That all said, I don't really care what you guys bitch, complain or debate about so long as it's in its proper forum. Hate me all you want, but that's really a valid point and one that I was attempting to make. The mentality of the thread, however, was going downhill with each post. That is why I said that if you guys wanted to take something like this seriously, you could try again in the debate forum.

I don't really have time to play babysitter, but it looks like every so often I have to type one of these expositions and it is getting old. I don't have the time to tell you guys to 'grow up' anymore. I have two jobs and barely time to care what the hell someone said on an internet forum. If you have a problem with me, track me down and beat the hell out of me and/or say something to my face. I could really care less otherwise.

Otherwise, it's just mass-banning. That's much simpler for me. It's less excess bull I have to take care of while waiting for paychecks to come in to pay off bills that allow me to go home and type out this text just to say 'stfu'.

Anyways, as you were.

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Posted by Valkyrie
Death: Would you just shut up? I didn't ask if you thought I had no interest in such a thing...in fact, I did have a bit of interest in say that 'oh wow...thread about this...hmm...you know what...the people that did this are stupid and it's sad'. I did show an interest just like any other thread I clicked. You telling me, a person on a board staff, to keep my head out of a thread is...well...dumb. I mean what do you expect me to do when I see a thread that has certain things in it that are questionable? Ignore it? If you're not happy with that, I believe you need to get over it and yourself.
Yeah, it was real questionable. You see, your idea of a good thread seems to be "lol dongs", whereas actual discussion is a problem for you. That's fine, you can feel any way you want about it, but it doesn't make you any more in the right for having closed the thread simply because YOU had some sort of asinine problem with it. Nice response, though, you have the good old defensive stance going on and it's quite humorous. Also, you misinterpret me; when I say to "stay out of a thread", I don't mean shying away from clicking the fucking link. I mean it's possible to read something and not have to immediately respond if it's something you obviously had some kind of problem with.

Posted by Valkyrie
That all said, I don't really care what you guys bitch, complain or debate about so long as it's in its proper forum. Hate me all you want, but that's really a valid point and one that I was attempting to make. The mentality of the thread, however, was going downhill with each post. That is why I said that if you guys wanted to take something like this seriously, you could try again in the debate forum.
There was nothing wrong with the "mentality" of the thread. I love how you brought "hate" into it, too... y'know, it's possible to disagree with someone without "hating" them, right? Especially on the internet; it's pretty hard to truly hate someone you barely know. Quit going overboard on the emotional train.

Posted by Valkyrie
I don't really have time to play babysitter, but it looks like every so often I have to type one of these expositions and it is getting old. I don't have the time to tell you guys to 'grow up' anymore. I have two jobs and barely time to care what the hell someone said on an internet forum. If you have a problem with me, track me down and beat the hell out of me and/or say something to my face. I could really care less otherwise.

Otherwise, it's just mass-banning. That's much simpler for me. It's less excess bull I have to take care of while waiting for paychecks to come in to pay off bills that allow me to go home and type out this text just to say 'stfu'.

Anyways, as you were.
This is a whole lot of bitching and moaning that has no relevance at all to the real point. Way to go. Also way to go on treating things as some kind of threat (on what, I'm not sure. Pride, perhaps?). Obviously in your busy life you had enough time to respond, which goes against your whole "I have a life lol" argument. Mostly you're going way overboard, which seems to be the whole theme of your posts. You're not perfect, OBVIOUSLY you make mistakes. Why don't you first realize this and then perhaps you can get over yourself.

I find it petty that you threaten a ban simply because someone disagrees with what you've done, by the way. You "violated" board rules more than either of us did, funny enough, with your foolish insults. HYPOCRISY ABOUND

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Posted on 06-08-07 03:39 AM Link | Quote | ID: 43494

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Uh, death.

I said shut up.

That meant it.

I think you fail to get what that means. Why don't you actually get back to the topic at hand instead of going on a tangent I'm not going to read?

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Posted by Valkyrie
Uh, death.

I said shut up.

That meant it.

I think you fail to get what that means. Why don't you actually get back to the topic at hand instead of going on a tangent I'm not going to read?
No, you don't understand. My response is now degraded to "NO U!" What you say has no bearing on what I do. And don't waste your own time pretending you didn't read my post; someone with an ego like yours could never ignore a response like that.

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Posted on 06-08-07 03:45 AM Link | Quote | ID: 43500

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Uhm...try me?

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This thread goes die.

Bother me in a while for it to reopen while I figure out just what the fuck is going on

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Posted on 06-08-07 04:06 AM (rev. 2 of 06-08-07 04:06 AM) Link | Quote | ID: 43515


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Reviewing:



Ziff says "I only came in here to be a total jackass":
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=39498#39498

emcee points out that thread is going down the metaphorical shitter:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=39535#39535

Hiryuu agrees, thread dies with notice that it should be reopened in Debate if nothing else:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=39548#39548



New thread made, Ziff angry, takes self-righteous stand on what threads go where:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=39782#39782

Dr Death telling Hiryuu to "stay out of a thread he has no interest", basically yelling about what I'm doing right now even:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=39785#39785

MathOnNapkins disregards entire start of thread, makes perfect A+++ WOULD READ AGAIN post:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=39895#39895

Hiryuu calls Ziff's bullshit, shares the joy with Dr.Death too:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=43463#43463

Dr. Death being annoying whiny pain in the ass, got bored of reading his post full of bitching&moaning:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=43490#43490

Hiryuu creatively says "stfu", tells everyone to go back to MathOnNapkins' posting style:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=43494#43494

Dr.Death claims invincibility from Hiryuu (and therefore, me), feels he has to have the last word:
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=43497#43497

Hiryuu "bring it on":
http://acmlm.no-ip.org/board/thread.php?pid=43500#43500


Posted by Dr. Death
What you say has no bearing on what I do.
I say you're fucking banned.

(That quote set me off more than anything else, simply because I'm tired of all this bullshit and you feel a dire need to ge tin the last word)

(But do take note that BOTH OF YOU could've handled this so much better, argh)




IN OTHER NEWS

BACK ON FUCKING TOPIC

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Ziff
Posted on 06-08-07 05:51 AM Link | Quote | ID: 43542


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Back on topic, eh?

Look, I liked this board for a long time because there were interesting people that were fun to talk to. We could be asses, attack each other, but there were rarely, if ever, hurt feelings or anything along those lines. Over the past couple of months I have seen a lot of stuff happen to this community. I have seen it go through hard times. I have seen it go through good times. I think this is one of the worst times that it has faced. I have stood alongside this board, bored and disenfranchised, because I was drawn by people that (if the conditions permitted) would have probably made fairly good friends. Unfortunately, I do not feel that this board is a community anymore. Xk, I chose to continue on this board because the majority of the people I found fun to waste my time with were here. But continuously we have been disappointed by the lack of progress on the concept of leadership on this board. The community is basically a broken one - to the point that it cannot be fixed. Perhaps I am getting too old to sit around on a message board devoted to hacking Super Mario World. Perhaps I am too bitter. Perhaps I just do not get this joke. But I am absolutely sick and tired of the pomposity and lacking integrity of the board.

So, in summary

Reviewing:

I enter a thread where this a bunch of pretentious nothing going on and machismo.

I laugh at it.

People retaliate.

Thread is closed in a really poor decision lacking thought.

I reopen the thread with righteous indignity of the previous ruling and the language used.

Hiryuu comes in and basically acts the part of a very poor administrator.

Xk comes in and basically acts the part of a child.

Again, peace out.

PS: Koryo, you're the new me.

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