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Gau Newcomer                Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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| There's a very simple reason for the way we ask for credit to be given for data; the streamlining of pages. Each page of data on a ROM is intended to be part of a single unified "ROM map" or "RAM map"; if each small section of data is interrupted by a credit, this becomes a complete and utter mess. For any given -hack-, we have a different format; either the creator is credited in the Infobox (see http://www.datacrystal.org/wiki/Hat_Quest for an example), or we simply link to a page where the hack can be found. If you find information on DataCrystal that has supposedly been added from your work without your permission, please let us know so we can investigate the matter further. Remember, not everyone who posts information on DataCrystal is actually associated with the project, as it were, and we have to assume in good faith that anyone who posts has permission to post. Please get in contact with us; and/or post messages on the talk pages of articles where you feel your work has been compomised.
I must also note that lists of information are -not- copyrightable in the United States (see 499 U.S. 340, Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., Inc.) (edited by Gau on 12-01-05 03:24 AM) (edited by Gau on 12-01-05 04:37 AM) |
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Gau Newcomer Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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| While you certianly have a point, Gavin, it's also important to remember that while exploratory ROM hacking is for the most part a scientific process, making playable ROM hacks is a creative process, and we do indeed include pages about hacks and utilities on Data Crystal. Though in reality these materials are actually, as derivative works, still held in copyright by the original game designers, no one likes to feel their work is being passed off as another's. That applies to the excavation of data as well; no one likes to feel that their work is being taken for granted. The data itself is free, at least in the U.S. (see my previous comment), but some people do not understand copyright law. Furthermore, even if the data is free, it is more the fact that people feel they have been used than the actual "theft of information" that angers people. This is why we agreed to put attributions on the talk pages of appropriate articles, and in the infoboxes of hacks and utilities. | |||
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Gau Newcomer  Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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| AAAH! Now I see and understand! Yes, feel free to post credits in those lists of hacks. Furthermore, feel free to create pages describing hacks (as long as you don't use phrases like "best hack ever" or "flaming sack o' crap".) Notice how all those listings of hacks don't have any links? That's not because we don't wish to credit you guys, but because we don't have any information on them. Please feel free to add this kind of information (and preferably, links to places where people can find your hacks.) This is much more benificial to Data Crystal, and to the entire community, than a nameless, linkless list! | |||
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Gau Newcomer  Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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| Come now. Certainly there's no need for this. Just as both Everything2 and Wikipedia have their place on the 'net, so too, I believe, both WikiRAM and DataCrystal have our respective places as resources in the ROM hacking community. WikiRAM is great for raw data, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how that .nl import/export feature is going to work. Though some people like DataCrystal's standards for page creation, it also can be a frustrating process going through pages of data and formatting them; this can be discouraging for some people.
The reason that we decided to start DataCrystal is largely because ROM hacking information is not appropriate to the scope of Wikipedia. (Conversely, random game factoids are not appropriate to the scope of Datacrystal.) There are always people who decry any sort of Wiki. Indeed, there are people all over the world who think Wikipedia is a pile of crap. On the other hand, millions use it as a daily resource. While it's impossible to avoid those kinds of ideological arguments, at the same time being informed helps everyone, no matter who you are. If DataCrystal helps you, that's great. If WikiRAM helps you, that's great too! If crawling through pages and pages of old forums to find the info you're looking for is your style, hey, to each his own. -That- is what DataCrystal was set up to compete with, not WikiRAM or any other rom hacking wiki. |
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Gau Newcomer Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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| For those of you who might dimly remember, http://datacrystal.org is still around, and this month is our Super Mario Month; we're encouraging the dissemination of all Super Mario information. If you've got hacking info about any of the games in the Mario series, we'd love to see it on our wiki!
Stop on by and check us out! Gau (edited by Gau on 02-18-06 11:19 PM) |
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Gau Newcomer Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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Originally posted by asdf The reason is to promote certain areas where we know we're lacking in information. Since the Super Mario series is one of the most popular, and yet we're deficient in it, we thought we'd make that the first thing. Last month was stub expansion month for example. As for becoming big, that isn't our goal, merely to become a useful resource. Plus, there's a fine line between promotion and spam... |
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Gau Newcomer Since: 11-17-05 From: Boulder CO Last post: 6577 days Last view: 6577 days |
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| Does anyone who played TwilightRO have the track names for the songs that were included in TwilightRO? I figured since several players once haunted ACMLM, this would be the place to ask... |
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