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Phantomrain Newcomer              Since: 12-02-05 Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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Originally posted by Ziff Well my dear ziff, you're part right but mostly wrong. Bookworm is wrong in that Evolution is the anti-order process or whatever he called it. Microevolution is exactly what you’ve said it is, the process by which living organisms adapt to their surroundings in order to survive. However Macroevolution is closer to Bookworm's idea. Macro evolution is the hypothesis that was made popular most notably by Charles Darwin. It states that creatures can mutate for no known reason and become other creatures. For instance, that fish can mutate into amphibians or that apes can mutate into homosaipiens. This is erroneous, and Darwin knew it. The entire basis for this hypothesis was the observations that Darwin made during his trip on the HMS Beagle. Most notably the observations he made during his time on the Galapagos Islands. The only thing however which was observed by Darwin was Microevolution. As you referred to Biologists, allow me to mention that when a biologist of any knowledge speaks of "evolution" they are speaking of Microevolution. All serious scientists who are unbiased, either towards Christianity or towards Evolution, will tell you that Macroevolution is simply a physical impossibility. Also, to those who confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity, bear with me. Roman Catholosism, though originally Christian has fallen away from the Truth of the gospel and has become a politically correct group of people who want to be religious. They believe things which are contrary to the Bible and though many Roman Catholics are Christians, many more are not because they have never been taught the Truth of Jesus' redeeming Grace. For example, Roman Catholics believe that they must confess their sins to a priest and that they must do penance in order to be absolved of their sins. This is incorrect. "For by Grace you have been saved, through Faith. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8 "For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit." These verses, if you believe in the Bible, make it clear that there is no need for confession to a priest or for penance, as Christ already paid for all your sins. Think of it this way; let's say that someone gave you a gift. Let’s say that they paid for that gift already. However, you decide that you're going to pay for the gift again. Only one problem, the gift cost this person 100 million dollars and you not only don't have 100 million dollars, you have no money, no home no car no nothing. All you have are the clothes on your back and some food stamps. Now, let me ask you, if that person already paid for that gift, paid for it in cash and paid for all of it down to the last cent, do you need to pay for it? No, you don't. Not only do you not have to pay for it, even if you wanted to, you couldn't. That's like how Salvation works. We have been given a "gift" by the almighty God. It’s called Salvation. This gift is, as the definition of a gift makes clear, free to us. God has already paid for it by sending his Son, Jesus, to die on the cross for our sins (all those bad things we do). Here’s the catch, we can't pay for that gift. 1) Because it's already been paid for in full and 2) because even if we tried we would fall far short of God's perfect standard. Yes, that's right I said perfect. What’s perfect mean? It means sinless, without blemish or spot, perfectly clean, sanctified, blameless. Now I ask you, is that you? Have you eve told a white lie or gone 1 mile over the speed limit? Have you ever had bad feelings toward someone else or hurt someone other than in self-defense? Well guess what? that means you're not perfect, which means *drum roll please* that you cannot pay for your sins no matter how many hail mary's and our father's you say, not matter how much community service you put in. Another thing which has been made up by the Roman Catholic Church is the idea of purgatory. This is the place where those not fortunate to go directly to heaven stay until they have paid for their sins. I ask you this; where in the Bible does it say ANYTHING about purgatory? Purgatory was invented many many many many many years ago (several hundred actually) in order to frighten the tenants of the Roman Catholic faith into working their butts off for no good reason to try to get to heaven. Again I mention that you cannot pay for your sins, and that yes indeed you have sinned "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23 Anyway, back to the "evolution" debate. Evolution claims that mutations are the reason for the changes between species. This is impossible and erroneous, as mutations are rare and are always harmful, never helpful. A mutation I a loss in genetic information, not a gain. Also, evolution has yet to produce a missing link between the species that is anything other than a hoax. (If you disagree with me, find a history text written from a conservative viewpoint rather than a flaming liberal viewpoint.) Also, the experiment to which Bookworm referred is factual. It was conducted by Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey in 1953 at the University of Chicago. In this experiment, using H2O (water), CH4(Methane), NH3(Ammonia) and H2(hydrogen), the chemicals were sealed inside an array of glass tubes and flasks. These were connected in a loop with one flask being half full of liquid water and the other flask containing a pair of electrodes. The water was heated, inducing evaporation, while sparks were sent into the atmosphere and water vapor to imitate lightning. The vapor was then quickly cooled again and recycled back into the first flask. In the end, as Bookworm stated, the products were several left hand amino acids, some right hand amino acids and a significant amount of a tar-like substance. This experiment was flawed. First off, there would have been no form of rapid cooling in an environment such as the primordial soup of early earth. Secondly, the presence of right hand amino acids would negate the ability of the left hand amino acids to produce life. Also, since the experiment did not produce living organisms of any kind, it failed its purpose. if any of you have any questions, comments, concerns, death threats, hate letters or fan mail, Bookworm knows how to contact me and will do so unless he feels that the materiel being sent to me is of an disrespectful dilatory or potentially life/computer threatening nature. Thank you for your time, I will remember you all in my prayers. May God Open your Eyes to the Truth and may you come to a saving knowledge of Him. In the Coming Christ, ~Viktor~ |
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Phantomrain Newcomer Since: 12-02-05 Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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Originally posted by Ziff well, for starters, the flood. how do you think the grand canyon was created? seriously, do you really think that that pittifull little creek known as the Colorado river carved out the Grand Canyon? gimme a break!! and besides, the fossil record clearly shows evidence of a massive flood. those "billions of dead things burried in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth" didn't get there by themselves. the existence of dinosaurs, though completely screwed over by macro-evolutionists, was first mentioned in the Bible. And yes there is tons of evidence pointing to the existence of the Gardden of Eden. The records of egypt show evidence of the plagues and the exodus of the hebrews. secondly, Bookworm isn't boasting, he's pointing somthing out. get it through your head we're not boasting about anything, we're simply showing you the evidence you request and then defending ourselves when you ignore it and say we're f***ed in the head!! The Jews hated the Christians!! Especially the Pharisies and leaders and teachers of the law! The Christians were preaching against everything that the leaders had been pulling over the eyes of their followers for centuries!! Also there are non-Biblical and non-jewish historical accounts of Jesus existence and the begining of Christianity. The documents were nto altered durring anyone's reign. you keep asking for proof, yet you give us nothing to back up your own claims. show me passages that can be completely diproved! show me hard evidence that the documents were altered! your argument is so full of holes, if i didn't know better i'd think it was a sieve or a piece of swiss cheese! all your post is based on is hypothesis, rumors, a dislike for the Truth we're bringing to the table and a competetive nature that won't let you admit that you might possibly be wrong! you have no evidence! i'm leaving now before i get pissed off and say something i'll regret. ~Fear~ PS. Gavin, the Bible is not meant as an allegory. it is an historically accurate doccument containing Spiritual truths and a blueprint for life, both physical and spiritual. Unless you wrote the Bible, which i assure you, you did not, you cannot say how it was meant to be taken as you do not know the mind of the Almighty God. also, as a general statement, all people are hypocrits and many of the so called "Christian" establishments which are so hypocritical are neither Christian, nor have any affiliation with true Christian organizations. |
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