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LocalH Paragoomba                  Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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Originally posted by Tweaker I don't think so. I ran it on my Genesis, and I got a small burp of sound when AIZ1 started and then it seems the Z80 hangs completely, as there is no more sound until reset. (edited by LocalH on 11-20-05 12:17 AM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| From what I've seen, the Sonic scene is indeed the most advanced Genesis hacking scene - hell, there are accurate disassemblies of Sonic 1 and 2 in existence, and there has been heavy ASM hacking. However, information on the rest of the Genesis games seems to be much more sparse, although it's being found that many (but not all) games do have their music in a similar format to that used in the Sonic games.
Here's some general Genesis documentation, more useful for doing your own programming than hacking, however: GENESIS Technical Overview (note: there are known to be mistakes in this documentation, but it's definitely thorough) Sega Genesis / MegaDrive Information Kaneda's ConsoleDev (tools and information) And also some general Genesis development forums where you might be able to get further help: Devega SegaXtreme Genesis/SCD/32x Dev Eidolon's Inn - The Tavern |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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Originally posted by BMF54123 Actually, it's possible in-game. If you're already sliding down a slope, and a hammer suit bounces onto you, then you'll continue sliding. The only in-game place I've done it is in 6-9 when you go through the pipe covered with frozen Munchers. As far as I know, this works on all versions of SMB3. (edited by LocalH on 12-01-05 12:15 AM) (edited by LocalH on 12-01-05 12:57 AM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| I agree. In many scenes, credit for such things is not given to the person who found it. For example, in the SID/NSF music ripping scene, you almost never see the rip credited to who ripped it, but only the original author. As we didn't create this information, we shouldn't be looking for ego by saying "I found this, this, and this, see?". The person who finds the information doesn't "own" it any more than the rest of us do. If anything, stick a line on the page saying "This data originally found by [whoever], and edited for correction by [whatever]. And I also feel that this would be best handled on the talk pages. If you're looking for ego-stroking, the ROM hacking scene is not the place to find it.
Hacks are different. The person who makes a hack should, of course, receive credit. But that's not what's being argued here, as best I can tell. (edited by LocalH on 12-01-05 04:18 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| It seems to me that you are conflating "crediting released ROM hacks" with "crediting who found the function of the subroutine at ROM offset $xxxx". The former should receive credit. The latter should only be done so in a general sense, for instance "ROM/RAM information contributed by X, Y, and Z".
Edit: Actually, I see, it's not you conflating the issues, it's other people in the thread. Guys, he explicitly said in the first post that he wanted his hacks credited. Nowhere did he say he found a certain piece of raw hacking information and wanted credit for it. (edited by LocalH on 12-01-05 08:42 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| That's an awful price, though. Tototek has them listed for US$80 by themselves, The only thing you'd lose out on is the five hacks he's giving you with the system, and the SNES itself.
Or you can get one of Tototek's flash carts for US$70, the difference is the GDSF7 can dump carts, and the Tototek cart can't. I have a Super Magic Drive, so I can run Genesis hacks on my real Genesis, as well as my own code from scratch. I don't have anything of the sort for the SNES, but it would be awesome of course. (edited by LocalH on 12-02-05 08:20 PM) (edited by LocalH on 12-02-05 08:21 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba  Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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Originally posted by xxshaynee2xx I'm saying that the price on the eBay auction is way too high - $199.99 starting bid, $499.99 BIN is just way too much. |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Well, the post was originally about running hacks on an SNES, and around here the SNES game that's hacked the most is, of course, SMW, so it's not so off-topic. | |||
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LocalH Paragoomba  Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Looks excellent. It'd be awful nice if you posted some pixel-exact screenshots at some point, because I personally tend to dislike filters like hq?x when it comes to screenshots (although sometimes they can look good in motion). | |||
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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There's also the Sonic Community Hacking Guide. It's, of course, centered around Sonic games, primarily the classic 2d ones, although there is a bit of information Sonic Battle and SA X PC. |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| First of all, the Nintendo legal FAQ is completely stacked in Nintendo's favor, and conveniently omits the law unless it favors them. For example, they say that ROM dumping, in and of itself, is 100% illegal, which is patently false. If you own a cartridge, you can legally dump it and there is NOTHING that Nintendo can do. NOTHING. Also, if you download a ROM of a cart you own, especially if it's the same revision, then you can't tell if that ROM was legally dumped or not.
Cheat devices most certainly ARE hacking, they are the exact same thing that people on this board do. You know the "master codes" that some games have? Those master codes are to bypass checksum validation routines that will cause the game to refuse to boot. Distributing hacks as IPS patches is legal if you don't include any data copyrighted by anyone else without their permission, as IPS patches do not include any of the original ROM. Nintendo is full of shit with half of their legal FAQ. For example, they claim that emulators themselves are inherently illegal, despite the fact that they have a bevy of legitimate uses, which would fall under Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios (the "Betamax" case). In the Betamax case, the Supreme Court ruled that a company was not liable for creating a technology that some customers may use for copyright infringing purposes, so long as the technology is capable of substantial non-infringing uses. Since you can use emulators to debug and test your own 100% homebrewed code, I would say that it is a substantial noninfringing use, especially when it's extremely difficult to test the code on the real hardware. In short, unless something majorly changes, I believe that ROM hacking is generally legal, as long as you follow a few guidelines (such as, do not distribute the original ROM nor the hacked one, but rather just a patch to convert the former into the latter). This is based on my non-lawyer interpretation of the actual law, and not in any way on some "legal FAQ" somewhere. (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:08 PM) (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:08 PM) (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:11 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Copyright law only provides for damages if you distribute a ROM illegally, it says nothing about merely possessing the ROM. Copyright law also states that you can backup your own media legally. You're right, it's not technically legal to download a ROM from the Internet, but if you dump it yourself, then you are 100% legal, regardless of anything Nintendo says.
Also, this site doesn't distribute ROMs, only IPS patches. Distributing those patches is only illegal if you include someone else's copyrighted work in the patch without permission. People like you are the reason that, from time to time, I actually visit Nintendo's official forums to debunk that crap. Despite the fact that I've talked about emulators and ROMs quite a bit there, I've yet to be banned. Edit: Also, you're a dick for potentially ruining a 14-year old's future life over something as piddly as this. You should really be pissed off at the commercial pirates, who actually do cause great damage, as they are selling their games as if they were legitimate, and taking money directly away from Nintendo. Totally separate situation from someone using forum software illegally (which I still don't condone, but to ruin his life? Asshole...) or someone using ROMs that they downloaded. Besides, tell me the practical difference between buying a used NES game and downloading the ROM. Nintendo doesn't make any money in either case. (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:17 PM) (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:18 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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Under section 117, you or someone you authorize may make a copy of an original computer program if: ROMs are "computer software", and I think it could be argued that, if you use the ROM and store the cart away, that the law has not been violated, as the cart is your "backup" copy, to be redumped if your ROM gets destroyed (same as one, for example, would copy an audio CD and put the original in storage). |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| What? Of course it does. If I've dumped my own carts, and not distributed the dumps, then how am I "not innocent"? And the law only concerns distribution of copyrighted works - if I only download ROMs, then I believe there aren't any current laws being violated on my part (although there are efforts to criminalize downloading in the same way that distribution is currently illegal).
Kyoufu: Exactly my point, really. They make blanket statements like "Emulators are illegal", but yet they know it to be false, as their own authorized emulators are obviously legal, and third-party emulators are legal because they have substantial non-infringing uses, and thus are no different than a VCR in terms of the law. Instead of "time-shifting", you have "format-shifting". Hell, one of the recent DMCA exemptions was specifically for copiers for "obsolete" systems, which I would consider at least pre-32bit. (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:33 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Listen:
I AM NOT SAYING THAT DISTRIBUTION OF ROMS WITHOUT PERMISSION IS LEGAL. I *am* saying that personal dumping is legal, and downloading ROMs that you own carts for, while not technically legal, is fine from a practical standpoint. You're just trying to extend the situation further than the law provides. When it comes to ROMs, the only source that matters is the law - it doesn't matter what any game company says. Give me concrete proof that it's illegal to dump your own carts and I'll retract that statement. Until then, a blanket statement that "all ROMs are illegal" is patently incorrect. And I'm not even including homebrew ROMs in the discussion, which are 100% legal no matter what the case. (edited by LocalH on 12-05-05 01:48 PM) |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Backing up? You're the only one continuing to argue about ROM distribution and ethics. I've already stated several times that distributing ROMs without permission is illegal. What else do you want? I've already covered the "ethics" thing by stating that it's ILLEGAL. I'm not touching morality in my argument, since morality is mostly subjective within the context of this argument. I'm only discussing what the law says. | |||
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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drx, a well known hacker in the Sonic hacking scene, has created a nearly-perfect Tails in Sonic 1 hack. There are a few small bugs, but for the most part the game works good, even on real hardware.
I'm not distributing the hack here because it was done with a disassembly, and thus an IPS would necessarily contain a lot of the original code and data, and would also likely be just as big, if not bigger, than the ROM itself. You can get it from hacking-cult.org in the hacks section, however. |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| None of those are accurate, because in no situation are all ROM images illegal. Even discounting homebrew/hacked ROMs, self-dumped ROMs are always 100% legal no matter what any game company says.
As it stands now, the only fully legal way to have ROMs of copyrighted games without explicit permission is to dump the ROM yourself. If there were low-cost mass-produced cart copiers for "obsolete" systems (anything pre-32bit, I would say), then people could dump their own carts and have legal ROMs. |
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Oh, it's more than alive. More is known about the Sonic Genesis games than ever before, and disassemblies are widely used to do things that would be much more difficult with only a binary ROM to work with. | |||
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LocalH Paragoomba Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6534 days Last view: 6534 days |
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| Yeah, that's what I believe legitimizes copiers for "obsolete" formats - of which any sane person would probably consider any cartridges for systems that aren't currently marketed. (i.e., any cart-based system but GBA and DS). |
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