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Posted on 01-12-07 09:56 AM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Lately, I've noticed that many people have posts that are needlessly filled with so much complication. I am guilty of this, as well as others, and much of it in debate. I found a site that calculates the grade level needed to understand a post, here. It doesn't make you look smart if one cannot condense what one is saying to a basic, and oftentimes, more eloquent statement. On the other hand, might have the opposite effect. This is not to say that all things can be thus simplified, but that they should be made simple as possible.
If one cannot say something so that a nine-year old cannot read your post, then it's probably needlessly complicated. You know who you are, complicators. O:
[Edit] Ironically, this post is ranked 9.58. =\


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Posted on 01-12-07 10:40 AM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Originally posted by Young Guru
I find the examples for each ranking increadibly interesting. Sports Illustrated requires a higher degree of education than Newsweek, and people say that athletes are just meat heads. And the universal taxes requires a PhD to understand, too bad quite a large percent of people needing to understand that have nowhere near that level of education.


But I think it's safe to say that most people don't fully understand IRS Code to the extent that it's so cunningly--or sneakily--written, as that an incredibly slim number of people can exploit it to their advantage. Newsweek isn't for the bright, if I might add. But yes, it just measures the complexity of the words in your posts, I think. And Xk, words not part of the English language are excluded from the grade process, but I think this is mainly for English language-based purposes.


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Posted on 01-12-07 11:07 AM, in Republicanism Link
The irony of this thread is so overwhelming that it isn't funny. Does anyone else see this?
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Posted on 01-12-07 11:09 AM, in If you had all the lag in the world, what would you do? Link
What about using lag to decrease aggregate demand, and thus reducing inflation?
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Posted on 01-12-07 11:27 AM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Originally posted by Koitenshin +∞
I usually do not post about code related problems nor do I post about intelligence. However, this topic has me quite intrigued to see what kind of a score I would get. I could toss in quite a few gigantic words but I won't do that. I see no point in it just to raise my score. The idea behind this post is to get this point across. Testing scores mean very little compared to real world applications of use. I scored an 8.92.

I think it simply measures the complexity of your post as well and not content, grammar usage, or pretext.


It takes the polysyllables and number of sentences, and computes a value. Here's a wikipedia link if you want to know more, including its formula. Although predicated on public health communications, it makes sense that to an extent that it can be used as a rough judge for English in general. It doesn't have a direct correlation to the actual complexity of a post, but if your post ranks 16+, it might just be too damn complicated.
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Posted on 01-12-07 12:19 PM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Which brings up another point, one must use intelligible English for it to process correctly. No typos or incoherent sentences can be used, or else one might get results that don't reflect anything. I can see this as a somewhat useful tool for oral debate, as polysyllablic words can be a pain if they're not absolutely necessary.
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Posted on 01-12-07 12:39 PM, in (Short Story) Teundusia Link
On the contrary, the diction and imagery you use make it seem so. It's no one's fault but your own for making it seem perverse. I thought the writing is very good, however, forgive me for saying this, but I thought it lacks substance.
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Posted on 01-12-07 12:44 PM, in ATS ate: Tourney on I guess? Link
Originally posted by Metal Man88
Every time you have to explain a joke, an angel dies.

Yet an angel is not an earthly being, no? So how can one substanciate the claim that an angel can shuffle off the mortal coil?
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Posted on 01-12-07 01:06 PM, in Community Colleges v. State Universities Link
Last week, I visited San Francisco, and on the way, visited Berekley and Stanford. Needless to say, I was disappointed. Besides, I've been hearing that UCSD has a stellar economics program anyways, so that would work out nicely.
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Posted on 01-12-07 03:47 PM, in Return of Name that Videogame! Link
B l a Z e o n? Without the spaces.


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Posted on 01-13-07 11:29 PM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Originally posted by Silvershield
Originally posted by SamuraiX
Lately, I've noticed that many people have posts that are needlessly filled with so much complication. [...] It doesn't make you look smart if one cannot condense what one is saying to a basic, and oftentimes, more eloquent statement. On the other hand, might have the opposite effect. This is not to say that all things can be thus simplified, but that they should be made simple as possible.
If one cannot say something so that a nine-year old cannot read your post, then it's probably needlessly complicated.
I think you're a bit misguided. There's something to be said for speaking in very accessible terms - I won't argue that for a second - but there's no need to demonize the use of more mature language. If I can say something and make a second-grader understand it, good for me; but, if what I'm trying to convey is simply beyond that second-grader's sphere of understanding, or if the words I need to use to do that subject justice are more advanced, I'm not necessarily pretentious or elitist or anything of that sort. And, of course, I'd sooner use one big word for a specific purpose rather than ten smaller words to accomplish that same purpose.

(And, yeah, I went out of my way to make this post sound a little more pretentious than usual.)

Edit: By the way, 11.83 for the above post. And I'm not going to apologize for it, because I know darn well that every single person here could read and understand it.

But you see, unless it's something absurd like a 18, there's a good chance that it's okay. But as Alice and Kejardon illustrate, it's always better to use the simpler explanation, as opposed to wordy descriptions. And I just don't mean word length. SMOG uses polysyllabic calculation, so a lot of useless filler words that aren't long wouldn't register.
I already said "As simple as possible." I agreed that there are some things that can't be further simplified; just like a math problem, some matters are complicated even after simplification. "As simple as possible" doesn't mean that a second grader can understand it, but just that--that is is made as simple as possible.

Originally posted by Silvershield
I'm not necessarily pretentious or elitist...

Of course not.
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Posted on 01-13-07 11:33 PM, in Victimless Crimes Link

Originally posted by Ziff
Prison, for minor crimes like drug use, is not a way to reform people. Prison is often one of the worst experiences in a person's life and can cause them unimaginable psychological harm.

You're right, to reform people into fuctioning members of society, rehab is often the only real solution.
But that brings up the problem of cost. Who's going to foot the bill for these people's willing mistakes. While I'm not saying that jail is cheap, I'm pretty sure rehab is more expensive. One comes to a prodigal son situation: you have one person who decided to do drugs and now needs rehab, and you have another who doesn't do drugs and on the whole is a "good" member of society. Why should law-abiding citizens pay for the misdeeds of drug users?

Alcoholics are different because although alcohol can be addictive, society has a different perception towards it (than drugs, at least). It's okay to drink alcohol but it's not okay to do drugs. When one breaks that norm, they are the offender.

Originally posted by Koryo
Originally posted by SamuraiX
We live in a republic, which is not a pure democracy. Figure out the difference, Koryo.

I know the difference on paper. The difference in real life is not so clear cut. If you can point out one (just one) example of a functioning "democracy" (using your fantasy definition of the word) that exists today, then I will concede the point that the US is not a democracy. Since I don't expect you can do that, then I will continue to say that the US is a democratic country.

My problem is you try to refer to it as a pure democracy, the will of the masses. I'm not at all bothered that you refer to it as a democratic nation, but you treat it as a direct democracy. Which it's not. It's governed by elected officals, who in turn are bounded by a series of checks and balances.
Therefore, whether or not 80% of people refer to themselves as Christians doesn't matter, or even the legitimacy of the statement.

Originally posted by Koryo
Originally posted by SamuraiX
Must I go into further explanation?

Please do. I'm holding my breath.

No. Knowledge is wasted on the ignorant and insincere.
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Posted on 01-14-07 12:11 AM, in Victimless Crimes Link
Sorry, I wasn't really thinking about the true extent of the effects that prison system creates. Consider the situations(I'll try to not make them life stories):
a.) Person A does marijuana as a adult, over 18, but really, still pretty young. But more or less a decent person, I guess. Said person is caught and penalised to something-decades in prison. In prison, said person suffers, and society pays the economic price of his enprisonment, his suffering. After something-many years, Person A is a useless member of society. Even if said person no longer has any desire to do drugs again, they will likely be on welfare for the rest of their life, lacking any social skills or talents. Thus, they will be a further drain on society.
b.) Person B does marijuana as a "adult." Said person is caught, and--taking from what Ziff said--does not have a violent criminal record. Said person is placed in a rehab facility, recovers, and reintegrates with the social structure. Yay.

But Ziff, you know that article doesn't prove any conclusive results, the test hasn't even been done. Alcohol is "better" than marijuana, because society, in general, thinks so. The law system doesn't punish heavy drinkers as much because of this social tendency.
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Posted on 01-14-07 12:24 AM, in Victimless Crimes Link
Originally posted by Ziff
No, it doesn't. But it does show a considerable amount of thought in the medical community is thinking there is some sort of genetic basis in some cases.


I'm not looking at one of the 1000 links I don't have access to though, so you might have a point. But you might not. I just see a single article about a small effort(only one million dollars in funding) to see if alcoholism is genetic.
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Posted on 01-14-07 01:46 AM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Originally posted by Hiryuu
And it would probably turn most 'normal' people's heads.

I mean, seriously, where I'm living now I would think something of a '12' caliber would really make people go 'what?'. I've had it happen in conversation far too often otherwise or themselves give me odd looks.

That's why, in public, I have to really REALLY dumb my conversations down. Not so much so that I talk like a redneck wannabe but to a degree where people can actually understand the words the are coming out of my mouth thank you Chris Rock.


It's a talent really. Being able to say something so that it retains substance, but has universal meaning. And I thought you lived in Japan. We Americans thought you guys were smart.
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Posted on 01-14-07 01:55 AM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
That's odd then. Since I think your posts are some of the easier ones to read. You seem pretty normal to me.
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Posted on 01-14-07 02:10 AM, in Victimless Crimes Link
Originally posted by Ziff
You probably only saw the ABSTRACT

You can follow other links to the 476 page study...You should've known about abstracts and other things if you wanted me present you with academic works.

I still think that this is going a bit too far away from the original discussion. It is my opinion that drinking is allowed and not marijuana, because one has become normalised. Drinking has become culturally acceptable, and I think that is more important as to a possible reason that there are more heavy drinkers. People look at someone drinking a glass of wine, a mug of beer, and on the whole they think that okay. People look at a person doing marijuana, and a good deal of them don't think that's okay. And certainly not the people who are making the laws, who mostly represent the older part of the population.
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Posted on 01-14-07 02:14 AM, in How hard are your posts to read? Link
Originally posted by Xkeeper
I've managed to get 30-something by typing in "testtesttesttesttesttesttest" over and over... again, this tool is rather dubious.




I already said how it works, and that if you don't use proper English, then you'll get erroneous results. And that sounds about right, I find your posts very easy to read, for which I thank you.
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Posted on 01-14-07 02:27 AM, in Sealand, a nation without copyright laws Link
Originally posted by emcee
The only problem is that no country in the world recognizes Sealand as anything but part of the UK.


Exactly, it's only a titular country, if no one recognizes it as a country.
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Posted on 01-14-07 02:32 AM, in If I banned all of you idiots, what would we do Link
I'd stop posting here, obviously.
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