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Posted on 10-21-06 02:09 PM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
First thing: I've never engaged in mass-quoting. I think that it is idiotic and takes away from the thrust of the post.
Second: You have offered no new information. You're rehashing your irrational, overly emotional opinions again and again. All the while you're trying to deperately paint Arwon and I as not really caring.

To this point I find this debate over and done with. It is going to cycle into a spiral of reality vs. "KJI NEEDS TO SEE THE USA HAS BOMBS FOR BRAINS!". Opa.
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Posted on 10-21-06 07:13 PM, in Oh, that wacky Bush administration and their shenanigans Link
It is odd. Some of the worst thought out foreign policies that have ever graced the Oval Office have come from the minds of some of the smartest bureaucrats to have ever held any office.

Impatience killed the cats, in this case.
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Posted on 10-21-06 07:15 PM, in 666? Link
Ummm...that's not revelation 14:18

edit: it is revelation 13:18. I've read many translations of it. The one in my copy of the bible is "Whoever is intelligenct can work out the meaning of the number of the beast, because the number stands for a man's name. Its number is 666".

That translations lends credence to the idea that Revelations was a piece of political propganda against the Roman emperors (616 being code for Caligula, I believe).

Also, the translation that I always grew up hearing was "Let he who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number. This number is six hundred and sixty six."

Mind you, Greek is fairly hard to translate. As well as multiple schools arising to deal with the various issues of the Book of Revelations.

GOOOOOOOOOOOO BACHELOR OF ARTS MAN

(edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 10-21-06 06:20 PM)
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Posted on 10-22-06 05:44 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
Funny, that.

Marginally democratic? Czech Rep., Polan, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia, and other nations usually under the improper Western definition of E. Europe (which is technically just Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus) are all current, working democracies (I don't give Russia or Belarus the same mention. Russia because of various issues with criminal corruption and Belarus because...it is current Belarus).

Also, why shouldn't China help with rebuilding North Korea? It would be its immediate neighbour. It has the money and direct access needed to help rebuild. Welcome to International Relations 101. The Ivory Tower of Foreign Idealism is a lie.

And what is wrong with China/S.Korea turning N.K refugees away at its borders? If you're willing to destabilize the nation and exclude the world's number 2 power from brokering in a massive internal problem then why should they have to foot the bill? Moreover, why should S. Korea have to foot the bill for increased police spending and massive reconstructive efforts (industrial, commercial, financial...whatever -ial you can imagine) that will come with an influx of 10s of millions of N.K refugees? Shouldn't America just build a freaking bridge from Pyongyang to Tuscon, Arizona if it is so right and imperative that it streamline and completely tackle the issue of KRAAAAZY KIM JONG IL?
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Posted on 10-22-06 11:08 PM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
1. So, what's right about YOU installing a puppet government.
2. So, you would sacrifice a complete global market chock which could permanently cripple millions of people economically, effectively removing their freedoms that they currently enjoy as well as risk massive internal conflict and strife? And just for what? An ideological stipend? Do you see anything skewed in that?
3. So, there is this thing, this acceptability of the situation. I never claimed it was acceptable. Unfortunately I'm more inclined to engage more than three brain cells when it comes to international issues.

I don't often do this, but you have simply lost.
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Posted on 10-23-06 12:24 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
"You have no alternative answer."

I've offered many, many alternatives. What have you offered? You know...Other than the same thing rehashed with an attempt at guilt tripping.
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Posted on 10-23-06 05:13 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
Originally posted by emcee
The thing is, you disagree with him, and I can understand that, I do too. But the truth still is that he's better informed then 90% of the people who come here, and you don't think they're idiots, just because they happen to agree with you. But if this were a forum with a more neoconservitive slant, he'd be "right", and you'd be the uninformed idiot.


I never made a claim that he was underinformed. I said that he was rehashing the same argument without offering any new proofs or anything similar to that. Also, people with views similar to mine (though not here as this board is not politically oriented and based mostly on non-political issues) have been lambasted and attacked for saying, this, that, or the other thing. Even if I agree with you it doesn't mean that I won't think you're a drooling iditot.

Why it wouldn't work:
The economy.. Absorbing a massive population that is uniformly poor into a freshly recovered tech-heavy nation. Why this won't work. It can't be done without a massive amount of contingency plans and the good grace of many deities of powers unbelievable. There are also issues of internal alienation and a potentially vast political divide. There will be massive unemployment numbers and there will have to be a massive dearming of a surprisingly well-armed military that is absolutely massive. There are problems never dealt with before. Plus, we'd need to get China on board and offer them logistic support to make sure Manchuria and other places in NE China don't get swamped with migrants. This causes an obvious domino effect and lowers the life quality of the Koreans and lowers the amount they can trade within the region. This also raises safety concerns. Investors are a fickle bunch. There is less money to be made where more money must be spent to provide security. Money leaves not just Korea, but also may leave Japan, China, and other Asian nations. One bright note would be the relatively free-market zones of Macau and Hong Kong. They may be able to weather the storm quite well.

However, Emcee, I do have one main contention with your post:
"slowly loosening it grip on the flow of information"
China is doing quite the opposite of that. Ask an 18 year old who tank man is. Here the intelligent 18 year old, given the context of the conversation is China and politics, will remember the brave man in Tianeman Square. In China...very few have ever seen that picture. Even more the internet is unbelievably censored. PBS has some interesting documentaries on this. Also fun to read up on is the Great Firewall of China.
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Posted on 10-23-06 05:15 AM, in Spelling, who needs it Link
Originally posted by emcee
I find it kind of ironic that its being pointed out that this is old, over and over again.


That got kind of old, eh?
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Posted on 10-23-06 05:20 AM, in Alfred Hitchcock is going to roll in his grave... Link
danielle...the birds, in film theory, is a very serious film relating to the idea of auteurship and the fact that given the special effect abilities of the time managed to create an atmosphere of suspense. I mean...it won the oscar for special effects.

As for Michael Bay, he is an interesting director and is recognized for his skills that he can impart on a film. His very well edited films are exciting and they have amazing cuts so that it flows naturally. Additionally his two best movies, The Rock and Armageddon, really manage to let us see what he is capable of as a director prior to Hollywood getting its hands on him and turning him into a marketing machine.

Yes, Pearl Harbour really, really sucked.
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Posted on 10-23-06 06:29 PM, in 666? Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_%28number%29#As_lucky.2C_unlucky.2C_or_significant_number

Why wouldn't Friday the 13th be a bad day in the mostly Catholic Spanish world? Moreover, why wouldn't it be one in the Orthodox rites of Christianity which were directly affected by the Knight Templar's Germanic breathern - the Teutonic Knights?

Oh, Mediaevalism...How the world neglects you.
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Posted on 10-23-06 07:33 PM, in 666? Link
Well, I don't like Mondays
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Posted on 10-24-06 11:04 PM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
I have a quick question. What is undemocratic about Russia?
Remember, the Soviet Union is over and done with.
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Posted on 10-25-06 01:48 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
That's not an answer.
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Posted on 10-25-06 09:20 PM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
Originally posted by Koryo
It's really biology 101 stuff, Plus Sign Abomintion.

And Arwan can call me whatever he likes, if it makes him feel good.

But the fact is that no one has provided any alternative answers. Arwan and PSA at least are content to do really nothing (a few sanctions at best). North Korea isn't likely to go democratic on its own. Even after KJI is gone, I'm sure some of his military leaders will continue the opressive practices of his regime. This thread has been about 2 points. 1: It will be easier to reform North Korea, because we already have an established democracy right next door to pick up where KJI left off, rather than trying to build a democracy out of nothing. 2: if we can't promote or protect democracy now with the most powerful country in the world, then what position will we be in to do it when the US is no longer the world hegemon?



I quoted you.

Where is your answer to my Russian question?
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Posted on 10-26-06 04:36 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
Oh, I'm not lying. Russia has a lot of problems. I mean their elected leader declared that Russia needs to be ruled by the dictatorship of law. But the fact of the matter is that he claims that it is not democratic and I'd like to see his proof for that.

Because he claimed that the EU didn't have surpass the U.S. in terms of hard economics, but I mean...I just stumbled upon an IMF document about the EU's combined GDP (and for the record we had been speaking about EUROPE (which is arguably a term that in the contemporary allows for the thought of unified statistics)). So I just drummed it up on wikipedia (which has sourced the IMF) here. Also he made a claim that the EU had nowhere close to the U.S. in terms of military budgets. This is true. But that doesn't change the fact that the EU has an unimaginably diverse force with an extremely vast budget.
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Posted on 10-26-06 05:25 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
Well, then we get into nastier issues about the nature of democracy itself and what it constitutes at a theoretical and philosophical level. And then we start quoting Mills and de Tocqueville. Then we start quoting Enlightenment philosophers. And then suddenly it drops down to arguments over the nature of Poland in the middle-ages (I don't about Australia Arwon, but we study mediaeval Poland's politics religiously here in Canuckistan). But yeah. It falls to either way that if he wants to toss out a statement like that, I'd at least like to see some proof. And hell, I'm not even disagreeing fully with him. But for once he is throwing something out there that I'm quite knowledgeable about and follow quite regularly and to which I devote a considerable chunk of my studies. I want to see what he will source and what arguments he will offer. I'd say that it is only fair.

As for a posited relation of China-S. Korea and China-N. Korea.
China loves S. Korea and would love for S. Korea to subsume its neighbour to the North. N. Korea is an embarassment to the Chinese. They hate how they have a constant reminder of Stalinism just bordering them. They hate how they have to toss money to them. They hate how their problem child has flaunted the international order. They hate how that has impacted them. Mainland Chinese culture is dominated by the soft-power eminating from S. Korea. And besides, at no time has the Chinese ever been seen as a directly imperialist power. They've been content to sit on their coast and build up their own system. It has been that way for 2000 years. I really don't think that they're going to turn around and change that now. Besides, China is stingy. They don't want their prosperous northern areas, particularly the gorgeous city of Harbin, to fall into disarray because of the flocks of the people that their stupid little neighbour chose to mistreat.

China isn't standing on its two feet yet and doesn't really know its true position in the world. Very few nations have ever been in its position. To call it a directly imperialist power at this time is wrong. It is deeply conservative in its mindset right now and sees the current world as its engine of growth. Why would you change the order around you when it benefits you more than chaos?
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Posted on 10-26-06 01:35 PM, in Free Wii? Link
Originally posted by SonicandFAILS

Sony is a bunch of fucking assholes. Wanting more money, as usual. Fuck you Sony. Fuck you.


That IS what a company IS.
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Posted on 10-28-06 07:14 PM, in Atheism versus Religion Link
edit: nevermind

(edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 10-28-06 06:14 PM)
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Posted on 10-31-06 02:14 AM, in North Korea's got Nukes.....and I care, why? Link
"You know very well where Russia is lacking in democratic practices. You�re just asking me because you think I don�t know. "

Well, if you know, concoct an answer.
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Posted on 11-01-06 01:44 AM, in Free Wii? Link
No they don't. Normally companies look at you, see a number, an associated bank account, and if you want more recognition you can buy stock and then get told to bugger off.

Fan boy association to companies is so weird. For five bucks a company would willingly beat you with a pool cue until you got detached retinas.

(edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 11-01-06 02:01 PM)
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