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Arwon Bazu                  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Ran-chan, did you look at the pictures? Muhammed with a bomb for a turban? The pictures are all rooted in crude, hateful or xenophobic stereotypes. They don't make a point beyond that, and they're essentially painting Muhammed and all muslims as terrorists.
The newspaper asked for offensive caricatures to print and then printed them, caricatures rooted in these crude and grotesque stereotypes, to provoke a reaction. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| I believe that Greenday's best album was Minority.
I find it very hard to comment on this whole issue because my favourite band is Talking Heads, and they straddled artsi and pop, commercial appeal and critical acclaim, like virtually no-one else. Oh, and Augie March too, who none of you have ever heard of because they're intelligent and underappreciated Australian music which should be much bigger than it is. If Strange Bird had been from an American or British band, chances are it'd have been recieved as an underground rock classic on the level of Loveless or Funeral or In The Aeroplane Over The Sea. It's a big call, but I truly believe it. But the industry is unfair, so what are ya gonna do? Maybe Moo You Bloody Choir will get them there. (edited by Arwon on 02-05-06 09:18 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| A good example of sellouts would be Devo. Google search for Dev2.0 sometime. It's a disney-owned band of kids playing neutered Devo songs.
On Talking Heads: They never "sold out" because they never claimed not to be "sellouts" and becuase they maintained a great deal of credibility. They made arty pop music and they did it well. They did, however go through at least 3 fairly distinct periods... generally the third isn't considered quite up to the standard (but given the brilliance of their initial run of albums that's gotta be expected). I highly recommend Little Creatures if you haven't heard it. Plus David Byrne is something of a hero of mine, and he still rocks, which is rare for an aging rock legend. Also done on naming some good Aussie bands instead of the usual suspects. I don't generally have a high opinion of the Australian music scene, but we do have a few good bands. Danielle: That's indeed what I meant. I guess I forgot which single was also the album name. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| I saw them live a couple of years ago and just about fell asleep during it. Not sure precisely how that happened, but yeah, I wasn't real impressed--too much jammy wankery for my tastes. I've heard them in recordings too, and it just didn't do it for me. They're one of those bands I just don't *get*.
Yet, oddly, I like My Bloody Valentine, which are also of a genre that possibly only exists in my head and is called fuzz-rock. (edited by Arwon on 02-06-06 11:28 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Or Rabbi Meir Kahane and the Kach Party. | |||
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| If you're *really* good you can be polite AND insulting at the same time.
Anyway, Bass, is this poll just because you're bitching that people closed the thread before you were done spouting clichéd libertarian slogans at everyone (and to be fair I'm on your side, the intolerance of heated debate at this site is absurd)? Or are you actually concerned that there's too much civility in the day to day interactions of people within society? Is asking "how ya going?" and saying "have a good day" after serving someone in a supermarket sucha bad thing? What's wrong with excusing yourself if you have to push past someone? (edited by Arwon on 02-06-06 08:51 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| http://disney.go.com/disneyrecords/Song-Albums/devo20/
Dev2.0 They had a few good albums back in the day. This, however, is what I am referring to... somehow they decided it was a good idea to let disney do this. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Emptyeye There's worlds of difference between Mark Mothersbaugh's soundtrack work (and it's far more widespread than just Rugrats) and whoring out your widely loved bands' catalogues, rewriting the lyrics to remove all subversiveness, and letting a mediocre bunch of kids play them. I mean it's still not entirely surprising, but the reason it isn't surprising has nothing to do with Mothersbaugh's soundtrack work. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Snow Tomato It was some Iranian newspaper. I believe the Danish paper at the centre of all this wants to reprint them, or take part in the contest. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Garbage. Culture war garbage. OMG PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT ARE MOVING HERE THEY'LL NEVER ASSIMILATE AND THEY'LL TAKE OVER. Same tune people have been singing for centuries everytime there's immigration.
That Jesus quote is hardly the only one you could produce to compare to Islam, the stuff about Sharia law in Canada is totally off the mark, and the whole article doesn't recognise just how widely varied and widely interpreted Sharia can be between, say, Nigeria, Canada and Indonesia. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Cooperation, the impulse to protect the group, is as much an evolutionary trait as competition. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Other side of the world, more or less. I'd say Maine is the furtherest I've been from home. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Yeah I'm pretty sure I win this thread. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Agnosticism can also just mean you don't bloody care. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Tommathy No, agnosticism can mean seeing no need for a religion or a god in their lives, or indeed, an opinion about these things at all. Just doesn't even register on the radar or seem worth considering. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| I wonder how we go about reconciling the "absolutism of free speech" arguments in the Mohammed cartoon row with laws that will lock people up for 3 years for inciteful speech. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Kutske Uh, the dudes who started the cartoon furore were white Christian Danes. You've missed the point. So on the one hand you've got people publishing offensive cartoons and the defence is FREE SPEECH MUST BE ABSOLUTE then on the other hand you've got people denying the Holocuast and it's all NO FREE SPEECH DOESN'T COUNT THERE. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb So, you support the right to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre? |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Yeah you just totally shifted the goalposts from "christianity" to "Jesus".
Totally dodgy. WE ALL SAW THAT. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Nah that's dodgy, you are getting way too literal. "Yelling fire" is a common sense and widely known example illustrating the principle that sometimes words themselves can cause harm, and that some speech cannot be considered sacrosanct, and that therefore, free speech, while incredibly incredibly important, can't be held as completely absolute.
I actually largely disagree that wartime is or should be an exception, especially in these days of limited warfare coupled with tight, overbearing, unjustified levels of evasiveness, secrecy and media "management" but that's just a matter of where we place the goalposts. Yelling "there's a fire here" when there isn't, is an example of speech which is not protected by the principle of free speech, precisely because, as you say, it causes a "public disturbance" (I'd call it "a fucking deadly deadly stampede" rather than a "disturbance" but hey, to each their own). |
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