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Arwon Bazu                 Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| If you really have to resort to heroin analogies as a counter-argument you've got nothing, YD.
Most people in our society like to drink and have no problems in it. Less than 1% of people do heroin and a much higher proportion (though, incidentally, not as high as the propaganda would sugggest) have problems. Heroin is a marginalised, underground thing, alcohol is an important part of many social rituals. Alcohol is legal, heroin is illegal. They're chalk and cheese. I think the problem is a lot of people, both drinkers and nondrinkers don't seem to realise there's a happy middle ground between "puritannically contemptuous of alcohol culture as a general entity" and "raging sloppy alcoholic". The most important thing is not to drink just to drink, but to drink because it's fun, liberating, and an excellent social lubricant. If you don't drink at all, because you're afraid of how you might act, or because you think drinkers are "idiots" or whatever, then you'll never learn how to get better at it. It's an important learning experience and an important part of growing up in our society. And just because keggars are stupid and the beer is shit is no reason to avoid all that. Alcohol in our culture goes SO FAR beyond just "college kids being idiots" that viewing all alcohol through that lens is just wrong. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| I *like* beer! I just think that keg parties are symbolic of what's wrong with America's attitude to alcohol. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Vodka causes hangovers? Huh. I usually find my hangovers are far less severe when I've been drinking vodka. It's neat and pure and there's not much in it that should be causing hangovers, not many toxins you have to work overtime to flush out. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Pah, people have always been drinkers, Danielle. If anything I'd suspect that people drink less these days than they did a generation or two ago.
Ziff: OK, I'll explain. This probably works different in Canadaland with its lower drinking age and Anglo/France derived drinking culture, but bear with me. Americans can't drink until age 21, which means they have a long period of having to drink somewhat covertly, even at college. This breeds the idea that alcohol is this edgy, dangerous thing, not to be embraced as a normal, fun social activity, but instead to be hedonistically indulged in only while young and stupid. The long tradition of puritanism, abstention, moralism, all that hardcore protestant stuff they seem to love, exacerbates this perception. The result is a nation where significant numbers of people simply don't know how to drink. Thus, parents, having grown up in this sort of a culture, don't tend to teach much about drinking beyond "it's bad, don't do it!" and so the cycle continues, with lots of peoples' only experience of drinking being sinking vast quantities of terrible quality piss from kegs at college. Not having the experience or education, people get fucked up, which in turn perpetuates the perception of alcohol as dangerous and antisocial. Or, as American friend put it, "It's not a crime dammit, it's fuckin culture in Italy!" |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Yoshi DudeOriginally posted by ArwonYou were implying that their opinion didn't matter because they never got drunk. I was just taking your logic to another level. No, I wasn't implying their opinion didn't matter, I was arguing that it was an opinion formed out of lack of experience, and that it's rather obnoxious to spout off about the evils of alcohol without ever having tried it in any serious way. It'd be like me, a virgin, spouting off about sex. I, for one, greatly dislike and take exception the smug, condescending attitude implicit in such exp Just to skim through this thread and pick a couple of examples, we've got you calling me immature because I'm pointing out that most people drink, alcohol is basically everywhere, and learning how to deal with it well is important to functioning well in our society. Someone else just said they "don't like the idea of getting drunk" as though that's the be-all and end-all of alcohol (it's not! there's many, nuanced levels of inebriation!) We've got Danielle talking like anyone who drinks is a "bafooon", "acting like morons, and seeing who'll do the stupidest things" and saying that all nondrinkers are nondrinkers cos they're more intelligent than drinkers. Guess you're never gonna share a quiet bottle of wine with a couple of friends over a nice dinner, eh Danielle? Or drink a couple pints with mates at the local pub, relax over a game of pool, after a long day's work? And really, yeah, YD, you're right. Sober people generally don't like drunk people. It sucks to be sober around drunks. You don't have to be a mighty nondrinker to realise this. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Yes, but the point is, you don't have to. These things are excellent mood enhancers and it's silly to deprive yourself of such experiences through some sense of idealism.
Also, comics! About drinking Have Fun (edited by Arwon on 11-29-05 09:40 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku Now I wouldn't go that far... |
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Can't they just play classical music like normal people? | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Well, I dunno really either Falkon, but it's certainly true that the general English or Australian attitude to alcohol is different to the general American... and I'm sure Canada's culturally closer to that than to the US as far as drinking goes. I just threw French in there cos I know they do it differently on the Continent (the whole "wine for kids!" thing?) and I have no idea to what extent those attitudes permeate Canada. (edited by Arwon on 11-30-05 09:42 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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Originally posted by Ziff Yeah so you're basically like us or the Brits then. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| IT WILL MAKE BABIES CRY. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Aside from spelling it, of course, eh BPM?
As for me, I don't have a drinking problem... I like drinking! (edited by Arwon on 12-01-05 08:00 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Well they got 4 good seasons out of it. There's probably a couple more in there, but they at least ended it well. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| What the fuck is a zamboni? | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Whoa. a Moxy Fruvous song just made more sense to me.
Carry on. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| I don't suppose anyone in the anti-evolution camp has any explaination as to why this debate only still exists in America, alone among first world countries? Why is it only in America where large numbers of christians reject basic science in this manner? | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Well I'm at uni now, have just done my first year of an International Studies degree. Long term fancies include living and teaching in Spain or Latin America, or maybe stumbling into journalism... | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Girls, unless I fancy them... then it gets weird.
That said, I tend to find it easiest to talk to people, of either gender, about 20 years my senior. Especially if music is involved. (edited by Arwon on 12-06-05 10:32 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| Most newspaper comics suck. Calvin and Hobbes is basically the only worthwhile one.
Calvin and Hobbes Get Your War On - Angry political comic Questionable Content - Funny and story driven, kinda indie rock's answer to Penny Arcade. The Parking Lot Is Full (Once called "The most terrifying comic strip on earth" and not without justification). Dammit! the archives are down. Well there's a few here... A Lesson Is Learned But The Damage Is Irreversable - Brilliant surreal art and stories That's about it.  (edited by Arwon on 12-07-05 10:02 PM) (edited by Arwon on 12-07-05 10:08 PM) (edited by Arwon on 12-07-05 10:09 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 5909 days Last view: 5909 days |
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| It's a fucking SOLSTICE TREE if we're being pedantic. For celebrating the middle of winter.
If Christians get their panties in a knot because their two millenia of co-opting pre-christian pagan festivals isn't enough for them, then fuck 'em. "Holiday Tree" is wrong solely because it's stupid white-bread homogenisation, but these people are absolutely bloody kidding themselves if they think Christmas is, or ever was, exclusively the domain of their particular religion. It's a cultural thing that the Christian religion occasionally tries to pretend it controls. SOLSTICE TREE. Humanity's been setting things on fire, hanging pretty things up and eating too much in the middle of winter pretty much forever. Christmas is a cultural and retail adaption of that, the religous overtones are, at best, optional and, at worst, utter bloody fantasty. They got his birth year wrong by 6 years, do they really expect us to believe they know his birth DOWN TO THE DAY? HANDS OFF MY CHRISTMAS WITH YOUR MASS AND YOUR JESUS. Also: There is a Christmas tree and a nativity scene in every large square in the city of Prague this year. Opinion polls consistently show the Czech Republic to be 80% atheist. SEE. CHRISTMAS IS CULTURAL, NOT RELIGIOUS. YOU KOOKS. The first person to point out that in Australia Christmas falls near the summer solstice gets a stab in the face over the internet. The fact that we are a bizzare displaced colonial culture adapting European traditions to a land it totally doesn't fit INVALIDATES NOTHING (edited by Arwon on 12-08-05 09:48 PM) |
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