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Crayola Double stone axe                   Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| are we getting way off topic or is that just me? | |||
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| I’m just looking at this whole situation from a logical standpoint, there is money to be made in both religions, to me they are both scams but I will not put biased opinions in this post (self-contradictory statement but I think you get the point).
Age should not be a factor in determining the legitimacy of a religion. Most of you probably did not need to be told this but it has come up before on another site. How is L. Ron Hubbard any more substantiated that biblical prophets? Angels=Aliens They both are “seen” by people who swear to their existence what makes both or even one of these true? It all lies in faith and saying that a Scientologist is stupid is hypocritical, You see “Christians” sporting I love Jesus t-shirts they buy in to the same exact kind of scams Scientologists do, Christians buying holy water, paying into mass pyramid schemes, you see evangelical preachers “healing” people with false hope instead of a medical degree. I’m just trying to eradicate hypocrisy here, what is so different between Scientology and Christianity that makes it politically correct to flame Scientologists? And just in case it needs to be restated, I am not trying to make this into a flame, I want to hear honest opinions on the subject I do not care if you agree with me or not. =) |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Scientology does not force you to buy anything, neither does Christianity. Both the religions have money making schemes attributed to them. Both have been know to use mind control methodology (if this statement was too biased just ignore it).
The main difference is that Christians do not have to pay for their religion? Why is there such an abundant amount of money controlled by religious figures, Listen maybe I am over simplifying things here but they both scare you into giving money to them yes or no? They both ask for money, no hand is forced into anything. At my old church, they would collect money at the beginning of the day and tell you that you are destined for hell unless you seek salvation through Jesus Christ the only lord and savior and that I need to be baptized and come to church every Sunday. When you come to church you are expected to give money, when you go to a scientologist meeting you are expected to give money, I see people being scared into giving money on both sides. You can not tell me that if you did pass up giving money the whole congregation would not stare you down and think lower you, it is a peer pressure type of thing. I see no flaw with studying the religious texts at home and donating what would be church money to the starving. But this is not what either religion actively practices. Or is there a flaw in this thought process? I am really trying to remain unbaised as posible. (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 05:59 PM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| That is derailing my point which is:
Neither religion forces you to give money. They both make requests for money. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| You must meeet all requirements of a living organism to be qualified as the textbook definition of alive.
1.Moving parts of the body 2.Producing offspring 3.responding and reacting 4.Getting food to stay alive 5. Getting rid of waste 6.Turning food into energy 7.Getting to adult size |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| "You have to buy"
Both religious texts can be read at home. You do not have to give money. Where in the Scientologist bible does it say you have to give money to others? The literature of the Scientologists may be overpriced this does not make their words untrue, I could charge 1000$ for a bible that does not falsify Christianity. People gaining money off others beliefs does not negate the plausiblity of those beliefs. And apologetic no you are the one taking defense with your harsh tone I am defenseless (I have nothing to protect in this debate) I am trying not to offend its called common courtesy. And i might be offest here but wasnt jesus thought of as crazy / a scam artist during his time? (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 07:07 PM) (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 07:08 PM) (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 07:11 PM) (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 07:14 PM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| L. Ron Hubbard for all you know was a prophet and maybe he truly wanted the removal of thetans to be free. You are focusing on the wrong aspect of the religion; you are looking not at the text but the people who surround the text. Or is it not the words of the book of the religion that make the said religion? The Catholics forced people to pay taxes or were else ostracized from the church meaning they could not wed. They were in a way forced to go to church to be saved according to their religion, they believed what they believed and were forced to pay to be fully religious. I think with the ridicule of the Catholic Church aside this sums it up.
And I know L. Ron Hubbard was nuts and a liar, this however does not make Jesus (if he existed) any different from L.Ron. As for Scientology's disconnection policy-- Christianity has almost the same thing which says we must not listen to the disbelievers (paraphrasing). Both of these instances of the religions in question are attempts to keep from losing members. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Do I really need to cite this? It is known that the bible rejects any truth besides its own as evil and should be disregarded I will look up some versus if that will truly please you but you are here to provoke me aren’t you?
I am playing devils advocate, damn wasn’t that obvious from the start? I have to give an insider view on the Scientologist’s point of view or else everyone would just agree with each other about this topic. I could do the same thing with Christianity on a Scientology forum. The answer of which parts are the right parts lies n you definition of religion: A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny. The act of getting rid of thetans is necessary to live a happy life in Scientology, so is getting rid of sin in Christianity. What is your point? The fact that they have to pay for their beliefs do not make the religion less or more verifiable than the christian religion it just shows how people exploit faith. I find the two religions equally ridiculous but am trying to uncover the Christian mentality towards what they see as flawed belief, this is how I am similar to Christians and I wish to explore this notion, you however are merely making a fool of yourself I was trying to be polite in order to divert a flame which will just creates a waste of board room, my/others time,and leads to threads getting closed. Perhaps everything I have said was wrong but perhaps not, I’m not fighting to be right or wrong. (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 09:26 PM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| What am I trying to change people opinions on? I am an atheist I KNOW the futility in trying to convert someone to another religion I do not care about converting others let them live in the world they want I am only trying to reason what makes them so different that it is commonplace amongst Christians (and others or religion) to scrutinize Scientology, and you throwing words around and slipping off topic does not make you smart so what are you? | |||
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Wow that was such a good point plus sign no really I mean it.....
Sarcasm aside I am glad to see SS in the debate, it was getting really one sided for a while in here. And by the Catholic Church I meant the Old Catholic Church during the dark ages perhaps I have been misinformed of the Plight of the believers during the Dark ages or whatever they are called. http://www.white-history.com/hwr41.htm This is the only thing even close to what I meant but it doesn’t deal with the issues I was talking about, The Canterbury Tales could probably be cited as a good source. The Friars role is slightly what I was I referring to. Honestly I am very tired and do not wish to over think something that has not affect over my life. I will get back to you guys tomorrow I am too sleepy to respond properly and feel that my ideas will get misconstrued. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| You are so stupid , really it is sad if you had went to the site you would have known it was about white history much as other sites or about black history , I don’t call any other race raciest for tracing the origins of their culture.
(I’m not even white assholes) ---------------The only art works of note of the Dark Ages are all scenes from the Bible, or those depicting great Christian events of the time: non-Christian events were ignored unless they had direct relevance to the Church. In this way even the figure of Jesus Christ became European---------- You suggest the relevance of everything to lie in the title congratulations. Now I will look for a better example of what I was originally trying to point out at school please try and not say anything else out of ignorance. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Ha-ha Oh I see the title now MARCH OF THE TITANS, I thought it was just the web site name that threw everyone off, regardless I made a lapse in judgment, as I said it was very late I was just searching for a source that might contain information on the catholic church, although that site "I see now" is a white supremacy group they did have information on the catholic church. I am sorry for making the mistake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeburn,_Virginia (Over 95% of my town are white "almost all racists", 90% are Christians [not referring to what you or anyone else on this site would consider real Christians.] “There are rally meetings that take place not 2 minuets away from my house no joke right down the road”, I am none of these things how do you think I feel? XD) Four months ago (more or less) I had my life threatened. Why? A person added me to ICQ, they asked if I like black people, I said I hate everyone equally. He asked if I liked black jokes, I said I like any joke if it is funny. Basically he told me the worst joke I have ever heard there was not punch line he just made it up at random, he asked for my Myspace url I gave it to him, he said I would be perfect to join his club. What club is that? I inquired. He sent me a link to a Nazi socialist party of America telling me I would be perfect to join, “he was referring to my skin, eye, and hair color. Which is tan, green, and dark brown not exactly Nazi material” I didn’t ridicule him just yet…. I read the site I read a good bit of it and it is honestly hilarious the type of people who get behind these clubs, their beliefs involved the most ridiculous “solutions” to getting rid of “the plague on white America” as they put it. Basically they made an attempt to make segregation look like a good thing. First off I told the boy or man, whoever it was that they were stupid to think any race was better than another, he got upset… I ridiculed him for upholding such beliefs, I said name one reason I should hate any race over another?….He could not answer….He instead insisted that if I didn’t join his “club” that “something” would happen to me. I said ooo and began to mock Nazis and the kkk. I told him that I do not fear death and that I am not white enough to even be a Nazi, he told me to leave him alone, curious now as to what would provoke him to think he is better than anyone I asked a string of questions…no answer only a reply, if you don’t leave me alone your dead. I said that I do not fear death and this chain continued, the boy began to recite my name and town (which I had not given him and wasn’t on ICQ), this honestly scared the shit out of me yet I continued to try and get an answer out of him, I received no answers only threats this process continued for quite a while before he blocked me on ICQ. I was using a key spammer on him the whole time after he stopped responding / before he blocked me. This whole story was paraphrased from what little I remember and is just one example of my day to day life in defending what I believe. However it does not have anything to do with the topic of Scientology Vs. Religion. But I have never written it down until now, and thought others might enjoy it since I made myself look like a white supremacist yesterday. Sorry plus sign and others =) Realize when I am an asshole on this site it is merely out of hate of my home town, the people who inhabit this place upset me daily Pill-heads, Racists, People who believe every single word of the bible and Whores the list goes on an on , I tend to take that agression out on others. Don't let this stop the debating though that is what we came for right? (edited by Crayola on 12-13-06 12:51 AM) |
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