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Crayola Double stone axe                  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| I tend to download alot of things at a time usually i will start the downloads (on limewire) the leave and come back in a day or two and tthey will be finished.
The last thisngs I downloaded were 1000+ mp3s, every rom and emulator I could find, and 15 whole movies. ok so how much space did i take up with that? 22.4 GB (24,154,198,016 bytes) Lol thats alot but i recentley got rid of my back-up drive and have more room I have in total about 186 GB so its all good XD |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| My worst fear is losing myself not pain. I chose everlasting damnation. | |||
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| As I see it both suicide and martyrdom are both choices.
And in both cases the person dieing is dieing for stupid reasons (unless its a suicide to end suffering like jumping out of a burning building). And yes martyrdom is chosen people choose to be killed for the sake of their beliefs. How they differ....suicide is a person killing himself........martyrs allow others to kill them.... So to decide if they were the same ask yourself this: If someone says "renounce your faith or die", and you refuse; which is it? It is definatley martyrdom but is it also suicide? Because if you know that an action you do will cause your death and do it anyways this is suicide. What do yall think? |
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Crayola Double stone axe  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb yes that photo was in my school textbook im not sure what i feel about it... and I am sure that any suicide motivates anyone to some degree (unless no one finds out the person has done it) oh and is this whole topic based around the title of the panic at the disco song "the only difference between martyrdom and suicide is press coverage" (edited by Crayola on 10-16-06 07:36 PM) (edited by Crayola on 10-17-06 07:37 AM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Is there any scripture in the bible says someone should do something that is deemed immoral in society?
If so then religion is not nessesary or even a good way to pick morals for the rest of society. Mabey you bible buffs can pick a few things out. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~slocks/babble.html#cruelty Oh and P.S. Silversheild there is no "magic" , magic does not exist bottom line. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| I personally think punishing crimes that have no affect on you is ignorant.
A Question I would like answered is how do people justify punishing these crimes? |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| No I’m referring to every punishable act that is victimless. Here’s a report I did to sum it up:
I’ve decided I should probably make a topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimless_crime Victimless Crime, Things that or illegal even though they hurt no one. They often stem from religious morals and such. A few examples: Sex in any other orifice than the vagina is illegal Gay marriage is illegal Having underage sex is illegal (even when both parties agree to have sex) Buying beer on Sunday is still illegal in some places. Buying using or selling drugs is illegal. Public Show of affection is illegal Showing ones underwear in public is illegal (this one was taken out recently, but shows the depths of politician’s ignorance.) Prostitution is illegal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are probably many more crimes that fall into this category. And also keep in mind that some of these laws only apply to VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few links for research http://www.halexandria.org/dward267.htm http://www.privacilla.org/government/victimlesscrimes.html http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-1615-[url]VictimlessCrimesandObjectivism.aspx http://seegras.discordia.ch/Essays/VictimlessCrime.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The main Point to all of this is that these crimes hurt no one except the person(s) committing them, what does have an effect on society more than these crimes is the punishment of these crimes which is costing the taxpayers millions if not billions of dollars every year. It is ignorance which propels these laws and allows them to continue to exist. The idea of doing things for the greater good possibly is the worst thing a man or woman could do. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (edited by Crayola on 11-24-06 06:23 PM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Once more I am brought to a conclusion:
Education is the answer. That’s it ______bottom line education will pull people out of their religion filled worlds and into logic. I must also submit that if religion wishes to quit being bashed by intellectuals then they need not meddle in politics trying to gain power by forcing their beliefs on others. I honestly do not think half the evangelists in politics and on tv believe in what they are saying or their own religion, they just rouse the ignorent minds up in fear of one thing or another to gain support. Just for fun you can read this http://blog.myspace.com/kevin_ray_smith Its my blog on myspace dont laugh it has quite a few good points on religion and politics a couple that have previously been posted on this board. |
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Crayola Double stone axe  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| I think your fears are very relevant about the church and taking a spiritual standpoint rather the Christians one is definitely a better choice.
In taking Christianity you must shut down parts of your mind and cannot think indiscriminately, in taking spiritualism your mind is not limited in these ways. In taking Christianity you have strong feelings about your religion, I am sure with spiritualism if I said that spiritualism was a lie you wouldn’t want to bomb my house or some other act. Christianity scares you into their religion this is their tactic to round up adults, they create fantasy and fun stories to round up kids, and it’s quite funny to see both in contrast really. What you are saying about spiritualism and reincarnation I do not necessarily believe in, but I think this an excellent thing to go alongside agnosticism or a substitute for it. You seem very logical, last night I gave a long rant about religion on a chat site here are some of the things I heard: Atheism doesn’t exist. You haven’t seen Jesus but you know he exist because you have never seen Asia but you know it exists. (To which I replied I can go to Asia but I just can’t find Jesus) Why do you say these thing what Christian has tortured you in the past (To which I replied ignorance hurts) I will pray for your soul (I described to them in detail how prayer doesn’t work, which indeed it doesn’t) Its all in god’s plan (this was in response to why would he let someone suffer for the last week of their life instead of killing them suddenly o letting them live a week without pain then killing them , Logically if he lets this happen then he either enjoys this act or he doesn’t stop it from happening ) You stupid you should read more (I have read more of the bible than and Christian I know this is why I reject it and if they are talking about my reasoning skills I think they are very high) I feel this feeling in my heart (this was in response to what makes you believe this? I replied to this, what you are feeling is what psychologist calls mass hysteria.) Close your eyes and allow Jesus into your heart (close my eyes why, is there something different that happens when I close my eyes? Something special that doesn’t happen with them open? I guess sense depravation is necessary to be Christian) ……………..(this is what happens silence, after you look up the versus in the KJV bible yea the one they always praise. This is what happens when you pick certain versus out and read them to them.) To put it simply to believe irrationally things is stupid but I really don’t care until your religion affects my day to day life. Spiritualism has nothing but positive things to offer to society, doesn’t mean I believe in it but what is does mean is that I can see no deep horrid flaws in your thinking like I see in religion, so kudos to that. http://blog.myspace.com/kevin_ray_smith Check Out my blog for information on more stuff like this. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| We believe in Santa clause because Santa appeals to us. We believe in the boogieman because we fear him. Your religion is based on fear and doubt and faith. Knowing something and believing something is not the same thing. Believing having false hope, saying prayer works sometimes but other times it is God’s will for things to happen. If god has the say in the beginning why pray what difference does it make? None were all sad were all alone we all need to depend on each other and reality not fanciful stories told thousands of years ago, Bottom line if you want something to base government on use hard concrete facts not opinions. Use your head not your heart, as wrong as that sounds it saves tears it saves the pain of brainwashing yourself into believing false prophesies, my papaw believes the world is going to end 2012 he has no facts to back this up but he believes it unquestionably, surely to make a claim like this he would have to have some proof but all he has is that the way humanity is going right now surely it will end by 2012, We cannot disprove this but just because we cannot disprove it doesn’t make his assumptions true.
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Do you fear men who sleep with prostitutes? Or people who smoke pot? What do you have to gain by locking them up? Locking them up or outlawing the crime solves nothing. Do we need to bring up the prohibition? What happened after we re-legalized alcohol? Did the world end or did the crime rate go down? Which was it?
The fact is locking them up only will add to the problem, and when you have an illegal product that people want they will obtain it is inevitable. So by locking the people who hurt only themselves you are raising taxes, but hunting the people who are only hurting themselves you are raising taxes, by taking these people through courts you are raising taxes. Have fun wasting money. Your argument is that it’s not the crimes but the people that surround the drug and prostitution world, government monitoring can fix many things I really cant think where the downside is to this, you monitor the prostitutes make sure they are healthy then send them out let the government be the pimps and put the old pimps in jail. -Crayola |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| sorry for the empty post erlier i hit a button and had to leave before i could fix it
I will comment on your comments in the order they were given. In being a Christian you will not can not judge the existence of the lord. Because it says not to you cannot question the words of the bible. Or do you break the rules in the bible which say you shouldn’t? I meant this statement in a general sense in that if you follow each and every part of the bible like the world has told me to then you cannot question “god’s word”. You can only question its meaning since most of the bible is written in poetry like form which can be interpreted many ways because of its "symbolism". I have used my rationality the fact is there is no concrete thing behind religion as you said. I cannot choose one religion over another because each of them has the same amount of proof of their relevancy. They can’t all be right and I cannot assume blindly the one I might choose is right just because I get a funny feeling when I pray to that churches savior. This is not proof and I cannot be fully committed to a savior I have no proof in without withholding my rationality. About prayer it has been proven many times and many times again you want proof find it yourself. Just Google it http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=proof+prayer+doesnt+work&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 . I won’t give you my reasons I feel they would probably be biased, but at least notice the way people try to dress up the fact that their scripture lies to them over and over. If you want the short answer I will explain: You’re dieing-You want to live long enough to see your real dad and touch him in person, he’s getting out of jail next week. You believe in Jesus completely you pray with a pure heart. It doesn’t come true and you die. You cannot test Jesus as the bible says but you can witness others people’s prayers being unanswered go try. So when you ask not to die and you do anyways its means prayer doesn’t work….because god doesn’t help or hurt you correct? And yes mass hysteria as I see it, sorry but I see billions of people willfully believing without using their rationality. And I’m sick of abstract thought The bible says that it’s the word of god the word of god is perfect. So if the bible is flawed god didn’t make it. If man has somehow messed with the word of god and god didn’t fix this, what does this say to you? It says god doesn’t care. I’m really not trying to turn this into a flame or anything I swear. I was mad again when I made the last post. Recently I have turned my sights away from fighting what I see as flawed logic and working on studying the Greek philosophers maybe some of the eastern ones too who knows. But anyways believe what you want ill continue to argue about it but I’m no longer going to hold a grudge against people who believe it’s not healthy for either of us. (edited by Crayola on 11-28-06 03:49 AM) (edited by Crayola on 11-28-06 04:03 AM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Oops, I misinterpreted their meaning. Your basic argument is that the term “victimless crime” implies that it doesn’t hurt anyone at all. I feel dumb, at least you didn’t point out my mistake to a debilitating degree.
Well I still agree with the things I said above, the conversation did get a bit tricky back there. Sorry =) Maybe we could pick a different word to describe these types of crimes, would that help? |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Then what do you believe and how do you justify it?
Please explain how you’re right and I’m wrong like I’ve heard a million times before. Because in truth you cannot say that your religion is logical because it is not, your religion makes as much sense as other religions and you have the same amout of proof. What you should rather say is I have no physical proof of my beliefs I base my findings on faith and faith alone is this not true? I can rationalize the possibility of god but you cannot rationalize what makes your religion any more right than other religions except for the religion you have chosen fitting your ideals or no? And yes a great deal of Greek philosophy teaches on logical non-abstract things Eastern philosophy I know nothing about but that’s just another reason to study it. (edited by Crayola on 11-28-06 05:42 AM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| lets switch from victimless crimes and goto blue laws
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law what does everyone feel sabout them? heres a link check out your state here http://www.dumblaws.com/ Does anyone have any verification that these laws are true? oh and btw look at virginia it talks about the illegalized sex positions. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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“I believe in Kregamufch because the religion that preaches him (Kregamufchism) has values I like”. This is basically what you are saying that you would believe in any spiritual character or occurrence backed by your religion because you like the values; this is what I call being biased. Or do you not believe in your entire bible? And if you don’t how can you do this? I know man is flawed but god wouldn’t allow flaws in the bible would he? And if he would how do you know any of it is true, which parts are mans flaws and which parts are truly god’s words? Which parts should you believe, only the things you like? And why hasn’t god held these values sooner? And how exactly did they find these values? What about churches with close morals but differing stories which should you choose then? This is why I reject choosing religion, everyone says I haven’t found the right one yet, I cannot choose simply because I like what one says because I am not perfect therefore I cannot agree with everything god says so my values would not necessarily be those of him. I don’t really wish to have religion they all have the same amount of proof and mostly the same morals, to be condemned for simply not choosing the right one is vicious, I know I will not be punished for not choosing the wrong (or no) religion because if god exists he knows man is flawed and cannot make the right decisions. To surround us with two religions and also free-will would be dooming some for making the wrong choices. I am sure you probably do not believe that people of other religions go to hell just for being another religion, do you? And as for me believing in god I have an equation for that Nothing 0 = ∞ Everything I cannot conceive the possibility of this so I am skeptic, I know I exist or at least my consciousness is self-aware so something happened to make me so I cannot deny or swear to god’s existence. I am simply denying that you can be completely sure of one religion over another. And those who swear to be completely sure are fools. Does that about cut it? I’m really genuinely sorry for being an ass earlier, again…..I am trying to be nice but I have a screwy disposition to make my statements sound attacking when I’m only searching for answers. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| its got codes at the bottom of the laws which can be looked up they look like this:
(Code 1950, � 18.1-363.1; 1974, c. 330; 1975, cc. 14, 15, 498; 1976, c. 569; 1978, c. 639; 1979, c. 400; 1982, c. 286; 1984, c. 369; 1988, c. 666.) But i'm not sure how to go about this. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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I said: I cannot deny or swear to god’s existence. I’m a skeptic. I did not claim to believe one idea more than the other they are equally substantiated. I was arguing religion not god, moreso the ideas behind religion. The equation I was suggesting shows how it’s equally impossible for god or a random act of nature to have made the world. 0 = ∞. If there was nothing how did all of us get here and if god made us then how did he get here? The answer cannot be known by now or at least I cannot think of a reasonable explanation for this the religious explanation for creation of the universe and the scientific theory (big bang) make the same amount of sense. They seem equally impossible (both explanations) to me yet we exist so it really makes you question a lot of things. I need to read up on this subject more before I can know what to think of it.
That’s really all that needs to be said.=) We can continue debating whatever is left to debate, thanks for sticking it out with me I really needed to hear what you have said. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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This is done in america too if im not mistaken.And most of those other laws did not lookk to ridiculus As far as blue-laws they really make me sick to my stomach,Whats norways standpoint on seperation of church and state ? Do they have it or no? |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6368 days Last view: 6331 days |
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| Please do not turn this into a flame war this is just another honest set of reasoning.( this argument stems from one i was having earlier that ended before i could hear a good answer so i came here)
A cult and a religion using textbook definitions are almost the same thing. Christianity is equal to Scientology. They have the same amount of concrete evidence. They both take you money. They both have improvable ideas behind them. They were both made up by man, and if you say Christianity was made by god or Jesus prove it. Don’t think that I will recognize religious figures as facts just because so many others do. How is Scientology different from Christianity on a religious level? Wow other people are getting really upset and taking it to heart on yahoo. Please keep in mind I am just an honest observer trying to reach one conclusion or another about an idea I am not trying to disprove anyone’s beliefs but I find it ironical that Christians call Scientologist fools and am trying to see how vast a difference there is between Scientology and Christianity that they would call them fools. And no I am not as stupid as you might say I am, (called that several times on yahoo) I am not some freak I enjoy being on the internet and learning and debating I have no ill will in my questioning and I’m just trying to put my opinion out there if you don’t care about my ideas then don’t post if you disagree good explain why if you agree explain why. That should limit the flaming a wee bit and yes I really needed to put this paragraph up, people are mean as hell. (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 01:21 AM) (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 01:38 AM) (edited by Crayola on 12-11-06 01:42 AM) |
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